games you consider to be art

[nukethewhales]

FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY ALL GAMES ARE ART.
i just created a guessing game using Microsoft visual basic.
you enter a number 1-10
it tells you if the number you guessed is higher, lower, or correct

IS THAT ART?!

Yes, in the same way that I could submit a blank canvas to the Tate Modern and get it called 'art'.

The art sucks. Doesn't mean it isn't art.

My opinion is if it doesn't make you feel, or at the very lest think (by think i guess i mean ponder), it is not art.

 

[AgentNein]

There is no such thing as a sole object that is or is not art. A medium is art, be it paintings, music or video games. There is no question in such matters, because it would be too difficult and too time-consuming to go to every single guy who created a drawing to see if it is art or not. That is why you call a medium art, and one of those drawing, or in this game your geussing game, terrible art. But still art.

Give me your point in one sentence to put this to rest, as we are both entitled to our opinions, here is my point:
No emotional reaction = not art to me. (i know, not technically a sentence, but roll with it )

Just a quick question, but is the artist' intent of the emotional reaction the qualifier for you, or the viewer having an emotional reaction?

And who's emotional reaction is the important one? I've never really had an emotional reaction to Picasso's Guernica, does that disqualify it from being art?

Conversely, the 80's sitcom Alf gives me the emotional reaction of intense fear every time I see it because of a reoccurring nightmare I had when I was a child. Does that qualify that as art?

 

[nukethewhales]

Someone really, really pretentious could make that seem like art by yammering on about how it could be about the futility of your attempts to define existence or some other nonsense. They did it with Minecraft, which is, ostensibly, a game where you build shit with cubes and those things may or may not be a phallus.

Yes, but they are creatures that line up at Starbucks, not people. (and i like minecraft as a fun toy)

 

[googleback]

Hitman: Contracts (for the Delivery of the story and that outstanding ending)
LIMBO (for the imagery and the vulnerability)
Killer7 (For the narrative and game Mechanics)
Halo 3: ODST (for the loneliness and the atmosphere)
The Metal Gear Solid Series (love it or hate it, its bloody unique)
Zeno Clash (one of my favorite story lines ever in a game. and incredible art style)

to name a few, but most games are art in my eyes. I see it as an artFORM so there you go. but you wont catch me trying to give artistic meaning to something like Angry Birds you know? there's HBO then there's daytime TV...

 

[nukethewhales]

There is no such thing as a sole object that is or is not art. A medium is art, be it paintings, music or video games. There is no question in such matters, because it would be too difficult and too time-consuming to go to every single guy who created a drawing to see if it is art or not. That is why you call a medium art, and one of those drawing, or in this game your geussing game, terrible art. But still art.

Give me your point in one sentence to put this to rest, as we are both entitled to our opinions, here is my point:
No emotional reaction = not art to me. (i know, not technically a sentence, but roll with it )

Just a quick question, but is the artist' intent of the emotional reaction the qualifier for you, or the viewer having an emotional reaction?

And who's emotional reaction is the important one? I've never really had an emotional reaction to Picasso's Guernica, does that disqualify it from being art?

Conversely, the 80's sitcom Alf gives me the emotional reaction of intense fear every time I see it because of a reoccurring nightmare I had when I was a child. Does that qualify that as art?

I understand it is the artists job to make it art, but the viewer determines if it is or not.

I googled the painting in question, and if that didn't at least make you ponder what it is about; there is something wrong with you.

And i guess your nightmare would be the art, not the sitcom itself.
funny though ;D

 

[googleback]

All games are art, just like all paintings and all movies. They might not be good, but it's still art.

bad art does not exist. bad games/movies however....

I beg to differ. [http://marshill.org/images/kids/childDedicationBaptism.gif]

a tear... a TEAR TO MY EYE!

consider the petals of the flower beside her... one is red. WHAT DOES THIS SYMBOLISE? perhaps communism? YES! THE PETALS ARE THE WAYS OF LIFE THAT THIS INNOCENT CHILD MUST CHOOSE!

I cant keep it up any longer, someone take over and examine this masterwork? let's see how much art we can pretentious ourselves out of it

 

[MercurySteam]

Do I need to say Bioshock and Mass Effect 2? Well I said them anyway.

 

[Arachon]

lol, because python is on a different computer

Well in that case, you're excused.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

All games are art, just like all paintings and all movies. They might not be good, but it's still art.

bad art does not exist. bad games/movies however....

I beg to differ. [http://marshill.org/images/kids/childDedicationBaptism.gif]

a tear... a TEAR TO MY EYE!

consider the petals of the flower beside her... one is red. WHAT DOES THIS SYMBOLISE? perhaps communism? YES! THE PETALS ARE THE WAYS OF LIFE THAT THIS INNOCENT CHILD MUST CHOOSE!

I cant keep it up any longer, someone take over and examine this masterwork? let's see how much art we can pretentious ourselves out of it

The use of the biro and cheap pub meal crayons represent poverty while her light coloured and simple clothes represent innocence. What bravery is shown by her wide toothy grin...lol.

 

[Sebster 105]

Braid

 

[Kavachi]

There is no such thing as a sole object that is or is not art. A medium is art, be it paintings, music or video games. There is no question in such matters, because it would be too difficult and too time-consuming to go to every single guy who created a drawing to see if it is art or not. That is why you call a medium art, and one of those drawing, or in this game your geussing game, terrible art. But still art.

Give me your point in one sentence to put this to rest, as we are both entitled to our opinions, here is my point:
No emotional reaction = not art to me. (i know, not technically a sentence, but roll with it )

I cannot counter-argument this, because your argument is flawed. You are taking your opinion and using it as a fact. Art can be art to you or not, ofcourse, that is personal opinion and that cannot be taken away. However if you say that not all games are art, you are saying that there are games that nobody would get emotional from. You cannot know this for a fact untill every living person has tried that game. If you think your geussing game is dull, doesn't suggest that it isn't art. You cannot project your own logic, way of thinking, emotions or opinions on other people, for everyone is diffrent. This makes your argument flawed, and this makes people unable to dismiss something as not-art so easily, if you go by the definition that art is something that provokes emotion. Therefore all games are art, because it would be impossible to find out everyone's emotion with all pieces of art.

I do think that art that only few like could be dismissed as crappy art, but still art.

 

[Spawny0908]

Red Dead Redemption, Shadow of the Colossus, Braid, Portal 1&2.

 

[EternalFacepalm]

FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY ALL GAMES ARE ART.
i just created a guessing game using Microsoft visual basic.
you enter a number 1-10
it tells you if the number you guessed is higher, lower, or correct

IS THAT ART?!

Yes, yes it is. It's simplistic nature and yet addictive gameplay, considering text or a simple GUI better than the fancy models of stuff is such an amazing achievement that I must congratulate this developer. Amazing art.

OT: Considering there are several types of art, I find Cave Story to be good in that sense. (That sense being "games that I like")

 

[zehydra]

FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY ALL GAMES ARE ART.
i just created a guessing game using Microsoft visual basic.
you enter a number 1-10
it tells you if the number you guessed is higher, lower, or correct

IS THAT ART?!

OT: American McGee's Alice (once again)

yes. it's just sucky art.

 

[Sharalon]

Sometimes I wish there was a consistent definition of art, so we could talk about it without getting stuck discussing semantics.

There is. Everything is art. If there is any artistic value in a work it has to be considered an art. Simple...

Then the word is meaningless.

Yes the word is quite meaningless, but you have to realize that we are talking about what something IS and ISN'T, while observing them from a subjective perspective. It's like trying to define what is or isn't good. It all depends on what you like. For that reason we can't say that this IS bad or that it ISN'T good and in the same way we can't say what is and isn't art.

The only way to settle it in my opinion, is to say that everything is art until we can dismiss it from an objective viewpoint. Since there is no real definition of the word art we can't do that.

Everything is art.

/thread (maybe)

 

[Zantos]

Well all games can be judged on artistic merit.

Buuuut if I had to choose one to say "Look, art, it's frakking gaming art!" I'd have to say Bioshock. Every element of it's design was above and beyond, and they combined them together exquisitely.

 

[Whateveralot]

I'd like to say all of them, but if I really have to put a bottem line out, pixeljunk eden would be it. It still has goals, but the majority of the gameplay is focussed around art, that being visuals and audio.

Just above that line, I'd put Prince of Persia (2008) there. The gameplay is mostly about the environment. The depth of the game fully shines through the graphical appeal of the game. It's very beautiful, painting-like and meaningful. But still mostly a game.

 

[SuperNova221]

There's been a few recurring games, some I agree with, some I don't. But the ones that I consider most. Hm.

Portal 1, not 2. Well, 2 I do, but nowhere near as much.
Homeworld 1. 2 I would possibly count, but again not as much.
UFO: Enemy Unknown (aka X-COM UFO Defence). This more than the others. Very simple game (only 20mb download from Steam) but it just works so well with the turn based strategy and the lack of information it gives you. Landing in an unkown farm complex, with the intent of capturing an unknown type of alien ship, fighting against aliens you've possibly never seen before. Creates a great sense of vulnerability. Something I haven't seen many other games do (Amnesia is the only other game I can think of that does vulnerability well.)

 

[RoBi3.0]

I am jumping on the on games are art bandwagon. It might be a good game or good art but it is art.

If you throw paint at a clean canvas and call it art you can make a guess this number game and call it art. If you can craft human feces into art then Cain and lynch is art as well.

OT: L.A. Noire is turning out to be a fine piece of art.

 

[Rooster893]

The closest thing that comes to mind would be Klonoa. Most of you already know why...