Phoenixmgs said:
What you are going on about? I said I THINK racing games MAY have helped with getting out of a skid in real life. That's one single aspect of driving, I didn't say they taught me to be a professional racer. Video games can give you certain skills that apply to real life. Sure a shooter doesn't train you to shoot a gun (because the game isn't simulating the shooting of an actual gun) but other things you do in the game can translate. People are trained on simulators for certain things because of the high cost of getting in real practice. Sure, there probably isn't a video game simulator up to par with a legit real simulator but to say video games impart no skills to the player is just as wrong.
They can impart the pretension of knowledge, but I'm not going to pretend that means they're qualified to mean that skills have been learnt. It's going to take the same amount of time to teach a person who has never ridden a motorbike or played games with motorcycle elements or premise... as it is a person who has never ridden a motorbike, but has played MotoGP or whatever motorcycle games.
This is what I call the 'sterility of video games' ... I have no doubt a suitably realistic simulator could reinforce skills ... but they cannot impart skills on their own. Just like the pilot flight training centre in Sydney... those simulators are meaningless without instructors and hours in the air.
No one is going to trust a pilot using a simulator and simulator only. Nor that they have the suitable knowledge basis to fly international commercial passenger... that is reserved solely for instructors who watch them like hawks and teach from experience. Videogames can't teach skills on their own... they can merely impart the pretension of knowledge *at best*.
They're maybe an avenue of
demonstration ... but purely simulated demonstration alone does not mean skill. For a video 'game' to teach skills, you need instructors. You need
theory, and you need holistic experience. But I doubt anyone would wang to play that 'game'. Because it starts to look no different than conventional job training.
If anything I reckon videogames alone probably makes you worse. In the same way in a survival situation I'm not going to trust someone that cites a survival horror game as a source of 'knowledge', as opposed to someone who recognizes their unfamiliarity with the natural world and is willing to simply do as instructed and ask questions where pertinent. Because pretension of knowledge is often deadlier than simply recognizing the full scope of the challenge, reconciling with that without hubris, and then thinking of what needs to be done. Because I've yet to play a videogame that has instructed players about finding out how to get true north (like on topographical maps) from
magnetic north. Survival game or no.
Which is kind of fucking important to learn...
Plenty of places still that will kill you in a day from exposure. Get stuck in it and if you're being thrown off a kilometre for every 35 you travel, you're gonna die. You are going to walk past
whatever you were looking for and once it gets to that point,
you're already lost. I've been to places, crossed them (partly) on foot... where it's red sand and 100s of kilometres later
still red sand and shifting dunes underfoot...
Knowing exactly how much my altering leg height and how much my natural gait affects total direction and distance travelled, I know precisely
when to recheck my bearings in order to find a place without missing it. Because I have experience
doing such things. Particularly important at night.
Not exactly 'feature rich' is it? It's gorgeous, but it's a mongrel to navigateeven a small section on foot without electronic aids. Popular with modern explorers given simply the difficulty of navigation. Basically the only thing you have is a collection of North-South orientated very long sand dunes and a
whole lot of nothing else beyond a few outposts and trails. Oddly abstracted in 'survival' video games I have played, either. Reality has a habit of transforming pretensions of knowledge into a death sentence.
Basic orienteering is something you can program into a video game... still haven't seen it done. That might be because I've never found those games that have, but I have played a fair number of survival games ... well a few.
That most 'open world' games are simply not large enough for
it to matter as much as it would navigating a large section of terrain in reality. Yet are
deadly serious matters when taking the actual reality of surviving on this planet we inhabit.
Not sure why you're getting annoyed. You used a racing game analogy, I posited my own experience with motorbikes and motorbike racing games. Gave a direct example and how they get the basics wrong, and how they don't even teach you
basic things= you need to keep safe on the roads. I know fuck all about cars ... well that's not true, I can drive one, just not as well as I should so I usually stick to my bike whenever I need private transport where feasible. I know enough about motorbikes to know videogames do not do anyone justice inthose regards...
Can you tell me a video game you think actually
gave you skills? Because I feel like any example of any genre you're just going to say is somehow incorrect for nebulous reasons.