Gay Gamers Want Dragon Age 2 Writer Fired
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If Anders couldn't cast healing spells he'd be out of my party so fast it's not funny. He's a right dick at times, just some of the chatter he has with other party members proves it. Not to mention his passive aggressive "free the mages" bullshit.Kyogissun said:
That's part of his character though, and it what matters him more realistic, because hello in the real world some people are dicks that we keep around because they are useful.
It seems to be suggested that in case of this person being actually offended, that's OK and we should listen, but I feel it worth ignoring either way. It doesn't seem like this guy liked the game at all, let alone the gay relationships. Maybe he was just so incensed about the relationship bit that it coloured the rest of his opinions, but he clearly isn't interested in conversation when he's already trying to get a man he barely knows fired from his job. I'm expected to consider this? Ridiculous.
Do I think they did a good job with the gay romances in DA2? Not really... but that's to be expected when having the option to be homosexual in games is so very new. I'm not sure writers know how to keep their own stereotypes out of it. Besides, the game is littered with problems from start to finish. While this particular example could be seen as damaging to gay image, that doesn't hold water when the sheer amount of ways they tried to be all-inclusive and respectful come to light. The fact that they tried, whether or not they failed, will still encourage other smaller developers to try having gay characters.
Do I think they did a good job with the gay romances in DA2? Not really... but that's to be expected when having the option to be homosexual in games is so very new. I'm not sure writers know how to keep their own stereotypes out of it. Besides, the game is littered with problems from start to finish. While this particular example could be seen as damaging to gay image, that doesn't hold water when the sheer amount of ways they tried to be all-inclusive and respectful come to light. The fact that they tried, whether or not they failed, will still encourage other smaller developers to try having gay characters.
I turned Merrill down, and she was quite gracious about it. In that twittering, nervous way of hers. She's so adorable.hazabaza1 said:
How's this for a headline?
"Gay and straight gamers alike outraged at the romance options in DA2, gamers with good taste don't care about DA2 at all"
"Gay and straight gamers alike outraged at the romance options in DA2, gamers with good taste don't care about DA2 at all"
TBH I dont like how Bioware deals with homosexuals in their games. They just add the homo element over some existing characters and makes a big deal out of it. "Look look! We have a minor group member!". Theres really no reason to brag about that. And then the homos just play out as the necessary black guys. Mass Effect 3 will probably feature mexican and ladyboy as a pickable love interest.
Not that Im phobic or anything, but I already have to deal with this with some generic TV shows. Theres the black guy. Say hello to the new indian flavor. Aaand theres the asian. Now, which one of you is the gay?
Same thing with women space-marines. And that does not include Samus. Because Samus is special. Because shes a woman.
I know that you're really into showing this melting pot of cultures and your ability to accept people, but you need to stop hitting the football with ice hockey bat. The message starts loosing its sense if you keep pushing it on to my face like that.
Not that Im phobic or anything, but I already have to deal with this with some generic TV shows. Theres the black guy. Say hello to the new indian flavor. Aaand theres the asian. Now, which one of you is the gay?
Same thing with women space-marines. And that does not include Samus. Because Samus is special. Because shes a woman.
I know that you're really into showing this melting pot of cultures and your ability to accept people, but you need to stop hitting the football with ice hockey bat. The message starts loosing its sense if you keep pushing it on to my face like that.
So... Basically something in an insignificant game that has no real effect on them offends them, so they want to have someone lose their job and income for his family?
If irony were an olympic competition, this guy would get a 10.
"Not all gay people act like this. Individuals do not have to conform to stereotypes. Therefore, I object to this INDIVIDUAL character."
I mean come on, even as its admitted that not all homosexuals are obsessive, constantly horny motherfuckers, can't we also allow that some homosexuals are? Not only that, but its an interesting character trait, makes the game funner. Give me a story full of rounded and well adjusted characters and I'll give you a boring story.
"Not all gay people act like this. Individuals do not have to conform to stereotypes. Therefore, I object to this INDIVIDUAL character."
I mean come on, even as its admitted that not all homosexuals are obsessive, constantly horny motherfuckers, can't we also allow that some homosexuals are? Not only that, but its an interesting character trait, makes the game funner. Give me a story full of rounded and well adjusted characters and I'll give you a boring story.
The writing in was offensively bad, but certainly not offensive to gays. I mean those characters weren't even gay, they would sleep with the Player no matter their gender. (In what I assume was an attempt to make the game politically correct.)
I hope that guy does get fired though, just because he is not good at writing.
I hope that guy does get fired though, just because he is not good at writing.
Gaider's response to this moron should be:
"Alright fine, we'll just leave out homosexuality completely in the next game. How do ya like them apples?"
Mass Effect 2 did just fine. One less thing to complain about.
"Alright fine, we'll just leave out homosexuality completely in the next game. How do ya like them apples?"
Mass Effect 2 did just fine. One less thing to complain about.
I resent the tone of the article. I mean if you're writing an article about something, at least TRY to act like what you are writing about is important or thought provoking, or keep your opinion away. If you can't do that, don't write it. Nobody will mind. But what you did is mock the very thing you were writing about, and didn't give it a second thought. And this is actually something thats happened multiple times in the last few days on the site. Get it together, guys.
On the subject, yes i think Biowares portrayal of homosexuality is superficial and its missing from Mass Effect for the wrong reasons, which doesn't give me the impression that they have the right attitude towards it. But i find it hard to agree with the petition because i kinda am a mess that would always like to talk about sex...
On the subject, yes i think Biowares portrayal of homosexuality is superficial and its missing from Mass Effect for the wrong reasons, which doesn't give me the impression that they have the right attitude towards it. But i find it hard to agree with the petition because i kinda am a mess that would always like to talk about sex...
Is there 'anything' you can bring to the table besides tired and repetitive commentary we've heard about this game weeks ago? Or are you just trying really hard to seem cool like the rest of the people needlessly hating on a somewhat flawed but otherwise entirely playable and fun game?IronicBeet said:
Andy Chalk said:
'Sometimes people are stupid'? Mate, if what this individual says is true, then this shows some seriously offensive mindsets behind the writers of the romance in DA2.
Maybe the previous "homophobic" straight-gamer ranter was onto something (if he wasn't shouting all faggots and mother fuckers. If he was then he's just a prejudice asshole). For a company like Bioware to put down JRPGs, they have learned jack crap from some of the more recognized games in the genre.
-Persona 4: Choice between love interest or friendship (and not all the girls like you from the start)
-Ar Tonelico: Not as good an example since the potential love interests fall over you (bit of a trope for all the LIs to fall for the protag), but you still get the choice to be friends with them instead, and they actually act like friends as the story progresses.
__If this is true, then they didn't even learn from themselves since, of course, let's not forget Mass Effect 2, which had a lesbian love interest (if you were a woman), and guess what? She not only didn't want to leap on you like a sex crazed monkey, but she also had class about her.
...Also I think Alistar was a potential gay interest. Could be totally wrong. But if so then yeah, him and maybe Zevran are another point. Though Zevran did take it bad if you turned him down...
Maybe the previous "homophobic" straight-gamer ranter was onto something (if he wasn't shouting all faggots and mother fuckers. If he was then he's just a prejudice asshole). For a company like Bioware to put down JRPGs, they have learned jack crap from some of the more recognized games in the genre.
-Persona 4: Choice between love interest or friendship (and not all the girls like you from the start)
-Ar Tonelico: Not as good an example since the potential love interests fall over you (bit of a trope for all the LIs to fall for the protag), but you still get the choice to be friends with them instead, and they actually act like friends as the story progresses.
__If this is true, then they didn't even learn from themselves since, of course, let's not forget Mass Effect 2, which had a lesbian love interest (if you were a woman), and guess what? She not only didn't want to leap on you like a sex crazed monkey, but she also had class about her.
...Also I think Alistar was a potential gay interest. Could be totally wrong. But if so then yeah, him and maybe Zevran are another point. Though Zevran did take it bad if you turned him down...
Now, mind you, everything I said pertains to IF DA2 actually has characters act as described by the individual quoted above. If the game's homosexual characters actually are written realistically and don't get uppity when you say you prefer women, and you'd like to be buddies, then the folk in question are indeed being stupid. Likewise the female leads should be just as well represented. And also you need more than one homosexual character that acts as described, because one angry gay character does not represent all of them.
P.S. Just because someone doesn't want to be constantly hit on by the same sex in a game doesn't mean they're homophobic. One character doing so is okay, because that's life, but more than that is just odd and uncomfortable. Same goes for if you're partial to the same sex and the opposite sex keeps clawing at your pants. It's just awkward, like some sort of twisted Albion thing where everybody wants to keep you in their basement. *shudders* The best way to fix this is to make an option where you tell them off the bat you're not into that or that you already have someone in mind, and they immediately understand. One of them can get stuffy, since, again, that's life, but not all of them. DA2 would be dog crap if EVERY gay character wanted to bone you and acted badly. And it would be WORSE if the female cast all did the same. These two cases I doubt highly, since no one can be that ignorant.
...Then again, they did say Call of Duty was an RPG...
I'm sorry, I just still haven't gotten over how Bioware released something that wasn't Dragon Age 2 and called it "Dragon Age 2".Kyogissun said: