Gay Olympics....Wtf!!

[neoontime]

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Op, I really feel you should include the link and read up on This guys(below quoted) link before we continue to sound like privileged assholes.

Most of the answers to your questions can be found in the FAQ page for the Gay Games (as they're called).

http://gaygamesblog.blogspot.co.uk/p/faq.html

Oh, and straight people are allowed to take part, too.

 

[Signa]

As it happens, the knuckle-headed bible-thumpers are our epic enemies, yes, but that doesn't mean the quran-and-axe-wielding 'caring' fathers are any less of a threat, or the fervent frontline fighters promoting veganism or gay lifestyle. In my books, they're all cuntmuffins I could easily do without. They're all out to pee in everybody else's soup, and they all feel entitled and special in one way or another.

The thing is that some people are very much entitled to be angry and are very much entitled to fight for themselves and fight for their rights. And that doesn't mean you feel any more special or more equal than others, in fact, the opposite is true. It's about NOT being treated special for who you are, but being treated as equals. And being respected and valued as tax-paying, law-abiding, productive human beings.

I live with people that respect their own religion and lifestyle as well as those of others, who are destined or chose to live life differently. We're all in this together.

Are we? I'm not seeing it. I don't find that we're all in this together. I find people going out of their way to create division. And to be mean. And to create hostility. And not really supporting and accepting people for who they are. We all may live differently, sure, and yes, that should be respected. But if you play with fire and get burned enough times, you're going to stop playing in the fire.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Equal rights, no discrimination, s'all good, really. Just don't shove your sexuality up other people's bumholes and expect to get a loving embrace wherever you go. I'm 100% sympathetic to who and what you are, I just don't like your warrior stance. It feels so troglodytic to me. Just sayin'.

Standing up for who you are and speaking out against discrimination isn't shoving a sexuality in anyone's face. Shoving my sexuality in people's face would be forcing you to watch me fuck a man or kiss a man. Or forcing you to attend a pride parade. None of that is occurring. What is occurring are LGBTQ citizens and our straight allies standing up and making it clear we're done with the bullshit and we're not taking it anymore.

I don't really have an on-topic point to make in this thread, but some of these lines you said bothered me. See, I'm sick of seeing people wave their "flags" that they are proud of or identify with. Some people love to wave their nationality, around, others' is their sexuality, their race, or even the consoles they choose. What Headdrivehardscrew was getting at is people need to shut up and stop separating themselves based on their stupid little flags. Several of your counter points refused to do exactly that, and that's why you have still a problem. The longer and louder you keep waving your flag around, the longer it will be before you let yourself become part of us, the human race. The universal acceptance that everyone is going for wont happen by creating a cacophony of various screaming flag-wavers, but by creating a unison of voices saying that we are all people.

 

[Smeatza]

After reading the Gay Games FAQ I can only conclude the gay olympics is for people who would have no chance of winning in the real olympics.

Well, I'm sure that I will be pleasantly surprised at the maturity on display here in this thread. I'm sure...

...Oh, I see what's going on here. All the Escapist posters left their computers on this page and their 10-12 year old children wandered over and posted this bullshit. I mean what self-respecting adult would make such idiot fucking comments as "The shot put is already practically a gay hand swish," and "In athletics, medals are given out for the most flamboyant running style." and of course this lovely little response: "...like hardcore mixed slapping arts fights"

Right? Gamers aren't known for their homophobia are they?

What do you do if your dishwasher breaks down, slap her.
Oh god now I'm sexist and misogynist and scared of women, my god gamers are sexist aren't they. Perhaps we should create a womens olympics so women can feel at home, or a black olympics so black people can feel at home.

 

[Vegan_Doodler]

I personally don't care about Olympics events, no matter who or what is being represented doing what sport in wherever the games are being held. If the world stopped the "real" Olympic games, I couldn't care less.

That out of the way, you guys need to understand why so many homosexuals would want this. Imagine that you're performing some sport in front of people all over the world, mostly from countries that want you dead, in jail, or punished in some form for who you fancy. Outside of the first world, homosexuality can land you anything from a steep fine to death; even in the first world you can still be killed or discriminated for being gay. Although as a gay guy I want the gay community to meld with greater society, it's hard not to understand why homosexuals go for things like this; aside from the fact that sports tend to be very homophobic, just look at the comments here.

I was going to write a comment about how I don't really get this and it seams a bit unnecessary and how everyone on both sides of the argument should probably stop being so hostile, but then I read this comment and the whole thing made a lot more scene. I may not think that this is the best or most positive step towards equality or a better world but I do at lest understand it now.

By the way, thanks NemotheElvenPanda for writing a comment that wasn't aggressive, patronizing, or condescending.
I'd take my hat of to you if I was wearing it and this wasn't the internet and I owned a hat.

 

[Olas]

I get that there's a valid reason for this to exist, I just think it's sad that something like this is at all necessary.

 

[101flyboy]

I don't really have an on-topic point to make in this thread, but some of these lines you said bothered me. See, I'm sick of seeing people wave their "flags" that they are proud of or identify with. Some people love to wave their nationality, around, others' is their sexuality, their race, or even the consoles they choose. What Headdrivehardscrew was getting at is people need to shut up and stop separating themselves based on their stupid little flags. Several of your counter points refused to do exactly that, and that's why you have still a problem. The longer and louder you keep waving your flag around, the longer it will be before you let yourself become part of us, the human race. The universal acceptance that everyone is going for wont happen by creating a cacophony of various screaming flag-wavers, but by creating a unison of voices saying that we are all people.

I got her point. I knew what she was saying. But that entire mentality simply fails to take into account the fact that gay people ARE NOT allowed to simply be, without problems.

I am not a flag waving gay by nature. A battle lines advocate. That's not me, by nature. I would honestly love so, so much to simply be able to exist, normally, comfortably, without my orientation being an issue. The reality is, that it isn't the case. Our orientation, non-hetero orientation, is an issue. Pretending it is not an issue isn't doing anything to solve these problems. Not many gays bring on discrimination or a fight by going out of their way to rub their sexuality in people's face. In fact, most of us do the opposite, if you're non-straight, you more or less keep it closely guarded to all but your closest friends and family. And that's if your closest friends and family accept you. Often times they don't which means you're alone with no-one. All because of how you were born.

The overwhelming majority of non-heterosexual citizens are closeted to some degree. So it's a major insult to be honest, and I'm not saying you nor her are doing this, but it's a major insult to be told I need to stop pushing or flaunting my orientation when it is NOT gay people making it an issue. It is NOT straight allies. It is everyday straight people making an issue of my orientation. Whether it's blatant or more undercover. And speaking out against that and *for* yourself isn't flaunting a sexuality in that case. It's standing up against hate.

That is what is going on, finally, in the world today. We're standing up against the fact we are not allowed to just be. That we are not allowed to simply live in society without being constantly bothered, harassed, threatened, beaten, mocked. We're not. And it's not our fault. So we need to look out for ourselves now. That doesn't mean we don't maintain a place in everyday society. That doesn't mean we make the attempt to fit in, we don't make the attempt to find friends outside of our bubble. We still do. We still will continue to fight to create an inclusive atmosphere in everyday normal society.

But we sure as hell ain't there yet. And it's up to EVERYDAY STRAIGHT PEOPLE to step their games up. If they don't want us to seclude ourselves, OK. Prove to us why we should go out of our way to hang around with you. It's an ultimatum. Do your work and start making things better. We don't have to do all the work and we don't have to constantly deal with the bullshit. We're not running away. You're totally invited if you want to come hang. But we do need our time to decompose and recover and we're entitled to that.

It shouldn't be this way. Society has failed the non-heterosexual, non-cisgendered community. And we're not ready yet to completely forgive.

 

[Abomination]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

 

[Lt._nefarious]

Well... Hmm... See all I can imagine is the regular olympics but everyone dressed as a flamboyant 16th centuary French Gentleman... Don't know why... Well, I guess because my first thought was the happy olympics where everyone gets a medal and... Well, yeah, just that.

Although tons of lesbian swimmers/tennis players... I'm not not for that...

 

[Twilight_guy]

Okay, so I see why people need to have this separation because issues, (It seem completely arbitrary to me, but whatever have your own games if you think it will promote your group and make you more comfortable), but the problem here is that the Olympics is a symbol of international unity and peace. It's the one time we don't threaten to kill each other and compete in a competition together. By forming other versions of the Olympics you are splinting that idea and going against the goal of the Olympics.

 

[Latinidiot]

As long as they can still enter the normal olympics this doesn't change a fuckin thing and is also no problem at all.

 

[kasperbbs]

I think it's another one of those 'look at me, i'm gay!' events, unless the event involves dicks in some way. Either way i don't care.

 

[101flyboy]

So...

This pretty much proves my point that some people in the gay community pretty much don't even want to be accepted. I think some of the homosexual crowd has become too accustomed to being the victim, and uses this to differentiate themselves instead of working their way into society.

Martin Luther King would have been disgusted. This is like gay people saying, "We want our own water fountains because we feel like people look at us funny at the straight water fountain." MLK fought for black people to be able to use white water fountains regardless of who looked at them funny.

The reason why the black community is so accepted today is BECAUSE they didn't give a fuck when people treated them differently. They dealt with abuse instead of running and hiding, and that's how you become accepted.

Instead these pitiful members of the gay community (who are way larger in mouth than in number as far as I can tell) seem to be saying, "The world isn't fair and some people don't like us so we're gonna go hide over here until they do."

Anyone read my rant post before?

It's just like the kids in high school who sit alone and don't talk to anyone. They will NEVER be accepted unless they go over to everyone else, fight any oppression, and show everyone that they should be accepted as normal. This is how you FIGHT segregation.

These Gaymer con people and Gay Olympics people aren't fighting... they're just running.

But no, it's totally helping to sit in the corner and say, "All straight people are jerks and don't understand how hard we have it; let's go over here and make our own club."

This is getting stupid, and you people defending this shit make me sick with your ridiculous arguments.

1. The LGBTQ community ARE victims of a homophobic society. We ARE victims. Let's make that clear. We don't play victim, we are victims and are being victimized for who we are.

2. We want acceptance but we don't NEED acceptance from the ignorant. Everyday straight folk aren't *that* important to us. I honestly don't care what anyone thinks of me outside of my closest friends and those who accept me. If you don't accept me, you're not someone I associate with, I cut you from my life, and that's it. We don't need everyday straight people in our lives. We haven't had it to this point and we know how to fend for ourselves and live our lives and take the punches and keep on ticking.

That's one of the biggest problems LGBTQ citizens and straight allies have with everyday straights. You guys make EVERYTHING about yourselves. Your privilege, your heterosexism, the way you talk down to us. We don't have to take it, and we're not.

3. We ARE fucking fighting. We are fighting everywhere. Do you know Zach Wahls? Do you know John Aravosis? Do you know Gavin Newsome? Do you read the stories of same-sex couples fighting back when being accosted on the streets by homophobes? Do you read the stories of same-sex couples going to their respective marriage registration offices, knowing full and well they cannot marry, and making it a point to take a stand and highlight discrimination? Do you see the people coming out of the closet to speak out for the community?

We are FIGHTING HARD. And we've accomplished MAJOR goals in the past few months. Three states enacted marriage equality on ballot. For the first time ever. DOMA and Prop 8 are headed to SCOTUS likely to be repealed. Companies are coming out against organizations that discriminate against the community and don't send a message of inclusion. Bullying rates in schools, while still way too high, have taken a turn downward against LGBTQ students.

We are fighting for our lives. We are fighting because of the fact lives have been LOST in this fucking war we're in. We are fighting because we want a piece of the proverbial pie, we want equal legal rights, we want to be respected for who we are in society. We want this and we're fighting for it.

But none of us are machines. We're not fucking machines. We're human beings. Not every day is a day to fight. Sometimes, you need a few days to relax. To rest. To be comfortable. And not be forced to suffer in a hostile, intolerant environment.

How is that too much to ask? It doesn't mean we stop fighting. It doesn't mean we aren't fighting or we're running away. It means we need a few days where it's not ALL about getting everyday straight people in line, but where we can take care of OURSELVES.

We deserve that. We deserve a few days. Just a few. That's all we want, that's all we need. A few days away from the hell we have to endure in the everyday world. And people like you won't even allow us that without attacking us and shouting us down. Then you wonder why we don't extend the hand of friendship? You wonder why we're skeptical; why we'd rather NOT be around folk with your mentality?

Get real. It's not all about you, Tom. It's about fucking US. WE are going to take OUR days off from the shit people throw at us and if you don't like that, then do your job to make sure we aren't pushed to this point. Do your job to make sure we feel comfortable in our own skin at any time. Do your own fucking job, and stop blaming us for the shit we didn't create.

 

[101flyboy]

I think it's another one of those 'look at me, i'm gay!' events, unless the event involves dicks in some way. Either way i don't care.

Except for the fact straight people are totally invited and participate in the events.

 

[101flyboy]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

No, it's an immutable orientation, and one that should be respected just as much as and treated the same way as religion and gender.

You, of course, don't believe that's the case. Not surprising given you think homosexuality is unnatural.

 

[Mr Dizazta]

Just to play devil's advocate here, what is the point of calling your event "The Gay Games" if you are opening the entry to everyone to participate? I mean it seems like they are trying to segregate themselves by calling it that.

 

[corneth]

Considering that the sports world is homophobic as fuck, I'm not really surprised at this

 

[Abomination]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

No, it's an immutable orientation, and one that should be respected just as much as and treated the same way as religion and gender.

So we need homosexual bathrooms and homosexual churches?

 

[LordLundar]

*sigh* Wow.

First people have problem with a gay con. Now they have a problem with the Gay Games which are held since 1982. And they post question that can only be regarded as stupid. Why? Read the FAQ, most questions asked here are answered there. Why the need for a seperate Olympics that promotes all sexualities etc.

/golfclap

Escapist...

Pray tell, what is y'all problem with events catering to specific demographics that aren't you? Do you feel so fucking entitled to every event catering only to your tastes?

Welcome to the club of thinking this "community" is an excuse to ostracize. I hit that mark with the Muslim protests of Google thread.

 

[101flyboy]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

No, it's an immutable orientation, and one that should be respected just as much as and treated the same way as religion and gender.

So we need homosexual bathrooms and homosexual churches?

There are gay churches, and bathrooms aren't separated due to orientation, but physical sex/gender, which is a concept that has no relation to sexual orientation in such circumstances.

Any other questions?

 

[Abomination]

So we need homosexual bathrooms and homosexual churches?

There are gay churches, and bathrooms aren't separated due to orientation, but physical sex/gender, which is a concept that has no relation to sexual orientation in such circumstances.

Any other questions?

I said homosexual RELIGION and homosexual BATHROOMS. Since we don't need either and we don't have either the comic's comparison is not parallel to the question being asked.