Gays and Homophobia

[Snotnarok]

You forgot Asexual OP.

Don't start that, there's about 30 different sexualities, no-one can be bothered listing them all.

Actually, speaking of religious views, I'm actually a Satanist, which is one of the few religions that doesn't hate on non-hetero sexualities... hellz yeah. Pfff, unintentional puns get the best of me wherever I go. Pisss offfff.
I would post more, but I'll probably go off a tangent and make this a thread about Satanism, and I already have like 5 posts in this thread :/

I'm sure there are but hell I'm asexual and you have no idea what nosnense I get. I get confused looks, billions of questions and then people telling me it's physically impossible to not want sex.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

Gah, I think y'all forgot that CD-I doesn't actually mean a senseless beating. It doesn't include castration, decimation, or incineration in the literal sense.

I apologise, I am unaware of what CD-I means. I'm sorry if I offended you

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I can't tell you what women think. I don't even think God could tell you what goes on in their minds. Multiple references in the Bible state that being homosexual is an affront to God. (Soddom and Gammorah) You ever wonder where Sodomy comes from? American society is also based upon making things black and white. You believe in this, or you believe in its polar opposite. There is no moderation and there is no middle ground. It's a wonder so many Americans try to embrace the "Middle Way" ideas in Buddhism... I don't necessarily see gays as a threat, but that doesn't mean I go around embracing them. Maybe it's because I went to an all-guys Catholic school where homosexual tendencies disrupted the peace. Maybe it's because of my parents telling me that I couldn't hang out with this one kid because he was "different." I don't know, I was raised like this and I'll stick with what I was raised with. It works for me. I've adapted as I've grown older and I realized that Ignorance is bliss, and that I don't really care to know if someone is gay or not, but I'm not the person you should "come out of the closet" to. It's not a matter of me being angry, it's more a matter of me completely ignoring or having a different opinion of you.

Firstly, may I ask you religion (I just want to gain more of an understanding.

And you are saying that your objections to gays developed from a pavloving experiences and because you have had it reinforced as wrong and to avoid it, so you do so; to make it reasonable you also seem to have developed some reasoning as justification. Is that right?

Pretty much, and I consider myself a moderate Catholic.

 

[Sacman]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

Gah, I think y'all forgot that CD-I doesn't actually mean a senseless beating. It doesn't include castration, decimation, or incineration in the literal sense.

I apologise, I am unaware of what CD-I means. I'm sorry if I offended you

I thought they were talking about the Philips CD-I that thing was atrocious...<.<

Spoiler

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Why do you think this is so? Have you been in a gay relationship or witnessed one up close? Why would one lose their masculinity and dignity from being with another man? And do you believe it is the same for Lesbian couples, that they lose their feminity and dignity?

Check post history; See he be trollin'; ignore and move on.

He picked a terrible thread to do it in, I'm not going to argue or get angry with him, I'm just going to keep asking questions and dissect what he says so I can understand his position

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Pretty much, and I consider myself a moderate Catholic.

But your parents and you follow none the teachings of Chirst but of other parts of your faith for the issue of homosexuality

 

[JokerCrowe]

I'm straight.
And I don't mind homosexuals. Well... not any more than I mind heterosexuals. or any other sexuals for that matter.
I'm not very religious (not religious at all in fact), and for some reason something tells me that homophobia almost always has something to do with religion.

 

[Whitenail]

I'm fine with the entire LGBT community, partly because I was raised with a friend who's neighbours were gay and one of my father's friends being gay, mostly because they're just regular people. I'm heterosexual (and Catholic...we aren't all bigots...) btw.

 

[outcesticide69]

eh, im against gay marriage, but i believe a gay couple should have the same legal benefits of a married couple. Marriage is in my eyes a religious thing(Im catholic btw), so if gays are alright with a compromise then its all good. Mostly though i think its just an attempt to get what others have, like a kid throwing a temper tantrum at his mom for not buying him that new toy the other kid's parents bought him.

Besides that, I got no problem against gays, just dont want them rubbing it in my face so much. You dont see me rubbing my straightness in theirs. An attitude like that just segregates us even more.

 

[Sebenko]

Oh, yeah, an opinion. I should have one of those.

Parades and rainbows suck. There we go. That sums up my attitude to gay rights.

He picked a terrible thread to do it in, I'm not going to argue or get angry with him, I'm just going to keep asking questions and dissect what he says so I can understand his position

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

Pretty much, and I consider myself a moderate Catholic.

But your parents and you follow none the teachings of Chirst but of other parts of your faith for the issue of homosexuality

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? I'm guessing you asked me if my parents and I follow Christ in other parts of my faith? My mom is a pretty serious Catholic as she actually switched from another religion, I forgot what it was. My dad tries to be a serious Catholic, but it only goes so far. I try to be a moderate Catholic and it seems to be working for me, I both agree and disagree with many things the Church says, yet I still believe in the basic ideas of Catholicism, Christ was born Christ was risen Christ will come again, and the Nicene Creed.

Edit: On another note, it's getting late and I'd best go to sleep. However, I would like to continue this insightful discussion at some other time. Good night.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Pretty much, and I consider myself a moderate Catholic.

But your parents and you follow none the teachings of Chirst but of other parts of your faith for the issue of homosexuality

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? I'm guessing you asked me if my parents and I follow Christ in other parts of my faith? My mom is a pretty serious Catholic as she actually switched from another religion, I forgot what it was. My dad tries to be a serious Catholic, but it only goes so far. I try to be a moderate Catholic and it seems to be working for me, I both agree and disagree with many things the Church says, yet I still believe in the basic ideas of Catholicism, Christ was born Christ was risen Christ will come again, and the Nicene Creed.

Edit: On another note, it's getting late and I'd best go to sleep. However, I would like to continue this insightful discussion at some other time. Good night.

So would I. What I meant by my previous statement is that when studying the direct teachings of Christ (The teaching he said, not those of his followers, ie: Romans or Paul's letters to the Corinthians)he never condemns homosexual, he even indirectly calls for the acceptance of homosexuals

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

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I just don't advocate condescention against people for things they cannot help. And don't act like faith and blind faith are the same thing. You can choose to trust something or someone. It is not surrendering anything. I'm religious, I have faith, doesn't mean I have no free will, nor blind faith.

OT: I just watched the Colbert Report, and here's why so much of thegay rights movement pisses me off so fucking much; they have such a ridiculous fucking persecution complex. Some gay teenagers kill themselves, and this fucker has the GALL to say that they're somehow worse off than the straight people who kill themselves? That getting bullied for being gay is somehow so much worse than being bullied for any other reason?

FUCK YOU.

Seriously. This dickhead actually said "Straight kids go home to a loving family, gay kids go home to more bullying." WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW? Every straight depressed kid suddenly has a perfect home life? Go fuck yourself you stupid, self-rightious ****.

Please Calm down. This is a thread for academic discussion not ranting. I'm sorry but please I want to keep this thread conflict and aggression free.

 

[joshuaayt]

I believe that sexual inclinations have absolutely nothing to do with anyone other than the self, and sexual acts should be the concern of only the (legally consenting) participants.

Why, might I ask, do people even give a shit about my sexual partner/s? Whom, external to myself, does it affect? What, every time I screw a guy they suffer minor lacerations to the scalp?

Yes, yes, I know- naive question, because it expects a legitimate, reasonable answer- one that doesn't exist. Still, I shall never come to terms with the intolerance of your average human.

EDIT: Oh, right, I nearly forgot- I typically lose my temper whenever it is implied that an inherent trait, evident in animals, one that carries such social animosity, could possibly be "merely a lifestyle choice"

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Please Calm down. This is a thread for academic discussion not ranting. I'm sorry but please I want to keep this thread conflict and aggression free.

Fair enough. But do you see where I'm coming fro, at least? It's so goddamn self-rightious far too often. It makes me so mad.

It's like my views on atheism. I like atheists. Have atheist mates. Find the philosophy fine. Think atheism should be accepted and treated as equals. But DO NOT act like life's somehow worse for you because of your sexuality/faith and that people in the other boat all lead problemless lives.

Well correct me if I'm wrong but you are unhappy with people saying their lives are worse because of who they are when everyone has problems, not just on group of people. Which upsets you because it seems as though they are saying everyone else problem insignificant in comparsion. Is that right?

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Why do you believe it is a choice? Many homosexuals believe it has become their nature due to being born that way or, for some, how they were raised

 

[John Mancer]

I'm gay, and before I knew I was gay it never really bothered me if I would be or not. Always thought whatever happens happens, no need to worry about it. And when I went, "yea I'm gay", it didn't change much at all for me. I just diverted my attention to the other gender.

Even before I came out to myself, I had always had an open mind about these kinds of things, one of my best friends is a tranny, and has wanted to be a woman since we met way back in grade 10. I had always been supportive of it for them, although nowadays it makes me sad because they were a really cute guy, and we always got along so well, jokingly tossing innuendo back and forth it public.

Strangely, I have rarely encountered homophobia amongst my friends, family and even strangers. Only one of my friends is a homophobe, and even then, we have stayed friends, and still meet up and go out for nights on the town with the gang, and it is always fun to torture him by acting stereotypical and watching him squirm. But he does get me back by getting everyone to agree to head off to a strip club, which is not a very good time for me.

 

[outcesticide69]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Idk about that, the most common study of this, is that its a brain defect developed at birth. That the vast depth at which the human mind is created, a defect may form. An animal with very little intelligence, just goes off instinct to mate with the other gender. The human mind is much more complex, and has much more room for error in development; as we humans have a resistant to primal urges. At least thats what im studying in psychology. So what im saying is that, its not a choice, its most likely an incurable defect.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Idk about that, the most common study of this, is that its a brain defect developed at birth. That the vast depth at which the human mind is created, a defect may form. An animal with very little intelligence, just goes off instinct to mate with the other gender. The human mind is much more complex, and has much more room for error in development; as we humans have a resistant to primal urges. At least thats what im studying in psychology. So what im saying is that, its not a choice, its most likely an incurable defect.

Please for those who are gay on this thread do not refer to it as a defect. Many would find it offensive to have people say they are gay because they are mentally defective

 

[SirBrad]

I am a straight Christian. That said, why the fuck should one verse from Leviticus be held so far above everything Christ stood for that many people who claim to follow Christ will verbally assault homosexuals until their faces turn blue?! I don't believe it's a sin because I don't believe the bible is entirely without error (I believe it is without error in the key messages but little details and verses here and there may be in error) and there are multiple theories on that one verse. Either way, if it is a sin, it harms no one unless they're raped by someone of the same sex which mainly happens in the prison system. Every other sin harms the sinner or one sinned against in some way physically, mentally, or spiritually, homosexuality does not, therefore, it doesn't qualify as something I should give a shit about.

I believe homosexuals should be allowed to marry. We've got rich old guys marrying young women who just want the money, why can't we allow couples that actually love each other to marry?!

I am thankful for homosexual men because they lead to less competition, I am thankful for homosexual women because they...well, I'll just say I won't be complaining about lesbian PDA. XD