Gays and Homophobia

[quhouv vhqwiufv qwiu]

I don't prefer them to keep it hidden, I just don't want to know. Say I'm going hunting with this guy, and I know he's gay. I'm going to fear sleeping in the same tent as him, it's not logical, but there it is. If I don't know if he's gay, I won't care because we're two guys out hunting in the woods, I won't see him as any different than me. Religion has bred us to see gay and straight as two complete opposite things, and America has helped it along.

Newsflash: Just because you're a guy doesn't mean every gay guy wants to have sex with you. I hate it when straight guys immediately assume that because a person is gay, they want to have sex with every single man. For myself, and a lot of my gay friends, straight guys are a turn off.

 

[Andrew Bohan]

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*rolls eyes* Whatever. Believe whatever improbably low numbers you want. We can argue semantics until the cows come home. This argument has long since veered off the main topic.

You want to play that game? Fine. I'll play ball. A whole city is a vastly more improbable number than a group of 5 or 6. To believe the entire city was populated by pansexuals seems absurd. Even Greece had heterosexuals. Honestly, I'm not belittling your right to interpret it that way I'm just stating that it's possible there are other interpretations of it which could still be correct by that wording.

 

[NotAPie]

Eh, I'm Bi curious but at the school I go too a lot of guys just hate gay/bi guys so I try to keep it to myself.

 

[Gigaguy64]

or the part where Adam's first wife is turned into a demon for wanting to be on top during sex...<.<

Just taking this for a sec.
You do realize that Lilith does not Exist right?
She is just a Jewish Legend.

Yeah... but you can say the same thing about the entire Old Testament...
besides she was included in several different variations and was used by the Church to explain crib deaths up until the about the 1600's...<.<

True.
But Lilith isnt even in the OT, the passage most often pointed to as evidence for Lilith is Isaiah 34:14, which in the NRSV reads, "there too Lilith shall repose." This is a poor translation.
Every other major translation of the Bible reads something to the effect of "night creature" or "screech owl".
Even if "demon monster named Lilith" was the proper translation of the Hebrew word, Adam is nowhere even hinted at in this passage or its context.
Whatever the Lilith was, it is not given any connection whatsoever to Adam or Creation.

Actually her existence is pointed at in the story of Gilgamesh popular in several religions before the old testament, which the Old Testament rips off with all of the shame and decency of the Move ripping off the wii... and since there roll in the story was basically the same it sort of just got ported over and given Lilith her name later... and for some reason it was generally accepted...

I just had to brush up it's been a while since I've read either stories...<.<

And the same could be said about many religions around the world.
Even religions from cultures that had no Contact with the place where Gilgamesh originated.
For Gilgamesh, im assuming you mean the part about the Flood, it could also be retellings of the same story.
And even many similar stories like Sargon and Moses.

But anyway, id rather not get into a Religious debate, its too late for that...

 

[Sacman]

or the part where Adam's first wife is turned into a demon for wanting to be on top during sex...<.<

Just taking this for a sec.
You do realize that Lilith does not Exist right?
She is just a Jewish Legend.

Yeah... but you can say the same thing about the entire Old Testament...
besides she was included in several different variations and was used by the Church to explain crib deaths up until the about the 1600's...<.<

True.
But Lilith isnt even in the OT, the passage most often pointed to as evidence for Lilith is Isaiah 34:14, which in the NRSV reads, "there too Lilith shall repose." This is a poor translation.
Every other major translation of the Bible reads something to the effect of "night creature" or "screech owl".
Even if "demon monster named Lilith" was the proper translation of the Hebrew word, Adam is nowhere even hinted at in this passage or its context.
Whatever the Lilith was, it is not given any connection whatsoever to Adam or Creation.

Actually her existence is pointed at in the story of Gilgamesh popular in several religions before the old testament, which the Old Testament rips off with all of the shame and decency of the Move ripping off the wii... and since there roll in the story was basically the same it sort of just got ported over and given Lilith her name later... and for some reason it was generally accepted...

I just had to brush up it's been a while since I've read either stories...<.<

And the same could be said about many religions around the world.
Even religions from cultures that had no Contact with the place where Gilgamesh originated.
For Gilgamesh, im assuming you mean the part about the Flood, it could also be retellings of the same story.
And even many similar stories like Sargon and Moses.

But anyway, id rather not get into a Religious debate, its too late for that...

No I meant the part concerning the fountain of youth and several other parts including the flood... though I take the flood as a historical event since it has been given evidence...

Yeah let's not do this, I'm already on probation...<.<

 

[lizabeth19]

...why do I have a feeling that this thread can only end in a smoldering, blackened wreck of Hitler comparisons and yo momma insults?

That said, human sexuality is somethimes too multifaceted and complicated to try and label. So, to seriously answer your question, I don't know. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and if they happen to be a man, woman or other*, then I'm attracted to that man, woman or other.


* Other meaning people who do not consider themselves to be either a man or a woman.

 

[badgersprite]

Very lesbian here, and loving it. ^ ^

Haven't really had any encounters with homophobia. I mean, sure, I had some issues in early high school with girls being all like, "Oh, you're a lesbian, THEREFORE YOU MUST BE ATTRACTED TO ME!" but that was just immaturity, no worse than what happened to anyone else there.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Why do you think this is so? Have you been in a gay relationship or witnessed one up close? Why would one lose their masculinity and dignity from being with another man? And do you believe it is the same for Lesbian couples, that they lose their feminity and dignity?

 

[Sacman]

...why do I have a feeling that this thread can only end in a smoldering, blackened wreck of Hitler comparisons and yo momma insults?

That said, human sexuality is somethimes too multifaceted and complicated to try and label. So, to seriously answer your question, I don't know. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and if they happen to be a man, woman or other*, then I'm attracted to that man, woman or other.


* Other meaning people who do not consider themselves to be either a man or a woman.

Yes, Hitler is bound to come up according to Godwin's Law...<.<

 

[Andrew Bohan]

...why do I have a feeling that this thread can only end in a smoldering, blackened wreck of Hitler comparisons and yo momma insults?

That said, human sexuality is somethimes too multifaceted and complicated to try and label. So, to seriously answer your question, I don't know. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and if they happen to be a man, woman or other*, then I'm attracted to that man, woman or other.


* Other meaning people who do not consider themselves to be either a man or a woman.

Inb4 godwin eh? Welcome to the escapist.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I don't prefer them to keep it hidden, I just don't want to know. Say I'm going hunting with this guy, and I know he's gay. I'm going to fear sleeping in the same tent as him, it's not logical, but there it is. If I don't know if he's gay, I won't care because we're two guys out hunting in the woods, I won't see him as any different than me. Religion has bred us to see gay and straight as two complete opposite things, and America has helped it along.

So, your entire opinion of an individual has been altered due to one characteristic because of Religion and American society. Why do you see the gay as a threat? Do you think women would have the same opinion to a straight man? What about religion and American Society has bred this view?

I can't tell you what women think. I don't even think God could tell you what goes on in their minds. Multiple references in the Bible state that being homosexual is an affront to God. (Soddom and Gammorah) You ever wonder where Sodomy comes from? American society is also based upon making things black and white. You believe in this, or you believe in its polar opposite. There is no moderation and there is no middle ground. It's a wonder so many Americans try to embrace the "Middle Way" ideas in Buddhism... I don't necessarily see gays as a threat, but that doesn't mean I go around embracing them. Maybe it's because I went to an all-guys Catholic school where homosexual tendencies disrupted the peace. Maybe it's because of my parents telling me that I couldn't hang out with this one kid because he was "different." I don't know, I was raised like this and I'll stick with what I was raised with. It works for me. I've adapted as I've grown older and I realized that Ignorance is bliss, and that I don't really care to know if someone is gay or not, but I'm not the person you should "come out of the closet" to. It's not a matter of me being angry, it's more a matter of me completely ignoring or having a different opinion of you.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

...why do I have a feeling that this thread can only end in a smoldering, blackened wreck of Hitler comparisons and yo momma insults?

I'm doing my best to try and make sure that it remains a civil, academic discussion

 

[Kimarous]

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*rolls eyes* Whatever. Believe whatever improbably low numbers you want. We can argue semantics until the cows come home. This argument has long since veered off the main topic.

You want to play that game? Fine. I'll play ball. A whole city is a vastly more improbable number than a group of 5 or 6. To believe the entire city was populated by pansexuals seems absurd. Even Greece had heterosexuals. Honestly, I'm not belittling your right to interpret it that way I'm just stating that it's possible there are other interpretations of it which could still be correct by that wording.

"We could argue about this forever, so let's stop" and "we've gone way off topic"... was it really so hard to understand these two messages?

 

[Palademon]

I'm one for equality, so I don't care who's anything aslong as people don't make a big deal out of it.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I don't prefer them to keep it hidden, I just don't want to know. Say I'm going hunting with this guy, and I know he's gay. I'm going to fear sleeping in the same tent as him, it's not logical, but there it is. If I don't know if he's gay, I won't care because we're two guys out hunting in the woods, I won't see him as any different than me. Religion has bred us to see gay and straight as two complete opposite things, and America has helped it along.

Newsflash: Just because you're a guy doesn't mean every gay guy wants to have sex with you. I hate it when straight guys immediately assume that because a person is gay, they want to have sex with every single man. For myself, and a lot of my gay friends, straight guys are a turn off.

That's why I said it doesn't make logical sense. Make of it what you will.

 

[blankedboy]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Now that's just confusing. Are you saying that with two men in a relationship, one HAS to take a womanly role and the other HAS to take a manly role? Both partners can be masculine. Either you're legitimately stupid or you're just trolling, neither of which are particularly welcome to anyone, anywhere.
Except people with strange fetishes, but that's irrelevant.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I can't tell you what women think. I don't even think God could tell you what goes on in their minds. Multiple references in the Bible state that being homosexual is an affront to God. (Soddom and Gammorah) You ever wonder where Sodomy comes from? American society is also based upon making things black and white. You believe in this, or you believe in its polar opposite. There is no moderation and there is no middle ground. It's a wonder so many Americans try to embrace the "Middle Way" ideas in Buddhism... I don't necessarily see gays as a threat, but that doesn't mean I go around embracing them. Maybe it's because I went to an all-guys Catholic school where homosexual tendencies disrupted the peace. Maybe it's because of my parents telling me that I couldn't hang out with this one kid because he was "different." I don't know, I was raised like this and I'll stick with what I was raised with. It works for me. I've adapted as I've grown older and I realized that Ignorance is bliss, and that I don't really care to know if someone is gay or not, but I'm not the person you should "come out of the closet" to. It's not a matter of me being angry, it's more a matter of me completely ignoring or having a different opinion of you.

Firstly, may I ask you religion (I just want to gain more of an understanding.

And you are saying that your objections to gays developed from a pavloving experiences and because you have had it reinforced as wrong and to avoid it, so you do so; to make it reasonable you also seem to have developed some reasoning as justification. Is that right?

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

 

[blankedboy]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

Gah, I think y'all forgot that CD-I doesn't actually mean a senseless beating. It doesn't include castration, decimation, or incineration in the literal sense.

 

[Sebenko]

Very lesbian here, and loving it. ^ ^

Haven't really had any encounters with homophobia. I mean, sure, I had some issues in early high school with girls being all like, "Oh, you're a lesbian, THEREFORE YOU MUST BE ATTRACTED TO ME!" but that was just immaturity, no worse than what happened to anyone else there.

Pretty much what happened to me, just with the guys instead.

Not that I didn't appreciate the increased attention I got from the girls in my class.

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Why do you think this is so? Have you been in a gay relationship or witnessed one up close? Why would one lose their masculinity and dignity from being with another man? And do you believe it is the same for Lesbian couples, that they lose their feminity and dignity?

Check post history; See he be trollin'; ignore and move on.