Gays and Homophobia

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

The only sensible reaction to anyone's sexuality seems to be 'fine, so you like *blah gender,* why do I care?' unless you are actively trying to pull them.

My impression is that most homophobia today is not actually directed against homosexualality per-se, but is motivated by fear and disgust of buttsexx and the irritating habits of camp people.

Do you share any of this digust?

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Homosexuals are able to have kids you know?

OT:
To answer the OP's questions:
I'm gay.
Shouldn't have to answer this one.
Or this one.

Now, I was wondering in why you believe homosexuals need to have the same rights as straight couples? A homosexual relationship is a same-sex equivalent, so why can't you rights be equivalent but different?

 

[WendelI]

I'm gay and I use to be very homophobic, to the point of physically attacking them for their "Sins". Church told me so... dough i don't blame them, it was in a 3rd world country. Hate like that is very common and easy to spread in such environment. being a walking oxymoron it's probably why I'm such a horrible person. I personally think that the issue at the moment isn't rights or equality. Its hatred...

 

[Dexiro]

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

What experiences have caused this? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles? Why do you believe a man and woman is human nature, couldn't human nature be to have a relationship with the person you love regardless of gender?

Nope. A man and woman is the only way. To reproduce and keep the race strong.

What experiences have caused this belief? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles?

But why do you believe the human race must all reproduce? Diversity is needed to maintain society, why can't people be different and have same-sex partners? What about those who are sterile, they are unable to reproduce, is there existence wrong?

My experiences even shared by one of my gay friends is that gay marriage is wrong and that marriage as by definition of The Bible and The Dictionary is between a man and a woman. This is about gay marriage not people who are sterile. and because you cant have chaos when Order is right.

Marriage was around long before the Bible, and Dictionary definitions can be rewritten. And at the end of the line couples should be entitled to the same benefits as straight couples.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I'm gay and I use to be very homophobic, to the point of physically attacking them for their "Sins". Church told me so... dough i don't blame them, it was in a 3rd world country. Hate like that is very common and easy to spread in such environment. being a walking oxymoron it's probably why I'm such a horrible person. I personally think that the issue at the moment isn't rights or equality. Its hatred...

Why were you so homophobic? Did you fear that you would become them? And why did you feel you should follow the Churches teachings, did you do it for all aspects of your life?

 

[BlumiereBleck]

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

What experiences have caused this? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles? Why do you believe a man and woman is human nature, couldn't human nature be to have a relationship with the person you love regardless of gender?

Nope. A man and woman is the only way. To reproduce and keep the race strong.

What experiences have caused this belief? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles?

But why do you believe the human race must all reproduce? Diversity is needed to maintain society, why can't people be different and have same-sex partners? What about those who are sterile, they are unable to reproduce, is there existence wrong?

My experiences even shared by one of my gay friends is that gay marriage is wrong and that marriage as by definition of The Bible and The Dictionary is between a man and a woman. This is about gay marriage not people who are sterile. and because you cant have chaos when Order is right.

It's not about gay marriage, it is about why you believe homosexuality is wrong. Could you please be more specific with your experience, I would like to know if that's okay with you. Also how is difference chaos? You can arrange different books to in an ordered format, why do you believe people can't be gay and live in a peace, ordered society? Why do you believe homosexuals would create chaos?

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

What experiences have caused this? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles? Why do you believe a man and woman is human nature, couldn't human nature be to have a relationship with the person you love regardless of gender?

Nope. A man and woman is the only way. To reproduce and keep the race strong.

Homosexuals are able to have kids you know?

OT:
To answer the OP's questions:
I'm gay.
Shouldn't have to answer this one.
Or this one.

Yes i knew, adoption.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

I care what you think, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs. I want to understand them.

What exactly do you find wrong with a same-sex realtionship; their inability to reproduce, intercourse or the violation of the Church's teachings? And why don't you want homosexuals to be part of society?

 

[conflictofinterests]

Homosexuals are able to have kids you know?

OT:
To answer the OP's questions:
I'm gay.
Shouldn't have to answer this one.
Or this one.

Now, I was wondering in why you believe homosexuals need to have the same rights as straight couples? A homosexual relationship is a same-sex equivalent, so why can't you rights be equivalent but different?

I think the term you're looking for is "separate but equal" and these here United States done did tried that with them thar nigras. The courts ended up deciding that was stupid and racist (much like the previous sentence itself).

In any case, marriages aren't the same as civil unions, mainly because one state doesn't have to respect the civil union of another, and there are various issues dealing mainly with tax benefits and whatnot.

The only reason I've heard that I respect for maintaining a difference of rights of gay and straight couples is the amount of lawsuits and revoked tax privileges against churches who want not to marry gay couples because the union is against their belief system. (This is not to say I'm not for gay marriage, this is just to say stupid people and stupid religions still exist, and last I checked, freedom of religion was still pretty important to us, no matter how stupid said religion may be)

 

[WendelI]

I'm gay and I use to be very homophobic, to the point of physically attacking them for their "Sins". Church told me so... dough i don't blame them, it was in a 3rd world country. Hate like that is very common and easy to spread in such environment. being a walking oxymoron it's probably why I'm such a horrible person. I personally think that the issue at the moment isn't rights or equality. Its hatred...

Why were you so homophobic?i was young and easy to manipulate Did you fear that you would become them? i wanted to become like them And why did you feel you should follow the Churches teachings, did you do it for all aspects of your life?at that age (5~12), yes.

 

[CowDenStar]

Everyone has the right to their own sexuality just as everyone has the right to their own religion.
I personally don't really mind what sexuality a person is be it gay, straight or bi it doesn't change my opinion of a person very much at all.

You are what you are and you can be whatever you want.

i'm straight incase you wanted to know.

 

[newdarkcloud]

Live and let live, but give them the rights they deserve as human beings.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

I care what you think, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs. I want to understand them.

What exactly do you find wrong with a same-sex realtionship; their inability to reproduce, intercourse or the violation of the Church's teachings? And why don't you want homosexuals to be part of society?

I never said they cant be part of society. My main problem with it is how it goes against the natural order. they cant reproduce that's fact. It goes against Church teachings.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think the term you're looking for is "separate but equal" and these here United States done did tried that with them thar nigras. The courts ended up deciding that was stupid and racist (much like the previous sentence itself).

In any case, marriages aren't the same as civil unions, mainly because one state doesn't have to respect the civil union of another, and there are various issues dealing mainly with tax benefits and whatnot.

The only reason I've heard that I respect for maintaining a difference of rights of gay and straight couples is the amount of lawsuits and revoked tax privileges against churches who want not to marry gay couples because the union is against their belief system. (This is not to say I'm not for gay marriage, this is just to say stupid people and stupid religions still exist, and last I checked, freedom of religion was still pretty important to us, no matter how stupid said religion may be)

I apologise if this sound rude, I truly am, but I'm not looking to question the societal impact or past events that are similar. I'm trying to dissect each individual's opinion on the issue to better understand both sides. It's why I always ask question as a response to people's posts

 

[conflictofinterests]

I think the term you're looking for is "separate but equal" and these here United States done did tried that with them thar nigras. The courts ended up deciding that was stupid and racist (much like the previous sentence itself).

In any case, marriages aren't the same as civil unions, mainly because one state doesn't have to respect the civil union of another, and there are various issues dealing mainly with tax benefits and whatnot.

The only reason I've heard that I respect for maintaining a difference of rights of gay and straight couples is the amount of lawsuits and revoked tax privileges against churches who want not to marry gay couples because the union is against their belief system. (This is not to say I'm not for gay marriage, this is just to say stupid people and stupid religions still exist, and last I checked, freedom of religion was still pretty important to us, no matter how stupid said religion may be)

I apologise if this sound rude, I truly am, but I'm not looking to question the societal impact or past events that are similar. I'm trying to dissect each individual's opinion on the issue to better understand both sides. It's why I always ask question as a response to people's posts

Naw, naw, it's fine. But these things are what influence my views on the subject, it's why I supplied them ;3

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

I care what you think, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs. I want to understand them.

What exactly do you find wrong with a same-sex realtionship; their inability to reproduce, intercourse or the violation of the Church's teachings? And why don't you want homosexuals to be part of society?

I never said they cant be part of society. My main problem with it is how it goes against the natural order. they cant reproduce that's fact. It goes against Church teachings.

My apologise you reference to them going to live on an island gave me the wrong impression. Firstly, how do you define natural order? And why did you select the teachings of the Church over the teachings of Christ to follow?

 

[AndyFromMonday]

snip

The bible has no say in what a human being can and what a human being cannot do and neither do dictionaries. What an individual can and what an individual cannot do is not your job as long as it does not affect you and it sure as hell does not affect you in any way, shape or form. If you want to go further into it it's morally irresponsible of human beings to have children due to overpopulation and the number of orphans present in the world. As such, not only should homosexual behavior be allowed, it should also be encouraged as they are the ones most likely to adopt.

You have no right to tell a person what they can and cannot do.

 

[Sparrow]

I'm totally for it and they are allowed to do as they like, but I must say two guys kissing infront of me is still a bit strange to me. I'm not saying it like someone who reads the Sun would, e.g. "IT'S NOT NATURAL!". More like "Well, this isn't something I am enjoying watching".

Does that make me anti-gay? Hmm, maybe. Depends how you look at it. I don't want to stop them doing it, I just find it a little strange still. Guess I just need to adapt to it.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think the term you're looking for is "separate but equal" and these here United States done did tried that with them thar nigras. The courts ended up deciding that was stupid and racist (much like the previous sentence itself).

In any case, marriages aren't the same as civil unions, mainly because one state doesn't have to respect the civil union of another, and there are various issues dealing mainly with tax benefits and whatnot.

The only reason I've heard that I respect for maintaining a difference of rights of gay and straight couples is the amount of lawsuits and revoked tax privileges against churches who want not to marry gay couples because the union is against their belief system. (This is not to say I'm not for gay marriage, this is just to say stupid people and stupid religions still exist, and last I checked, freedom of religion was still pretty important to us, no matter how stupid said religion may be)

I apologise if this sound rude, I truly am, but I'm not looking to question the societal impact or past events that are similar. I'm trying to dissect each individual's opinion on the issue to better understand both sides. It's why I always ask question as a response to people's posts

Naw, naw, it's fine. But these things are what influence my views on the subject, it's why I supplied them ;3

Well now you have my interest. So you use past historical events to effect your opinion in order to stop past mistakes being repeated and to have the best solution found fastest?

 

[Scde2]

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

What experiences have caused this? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles? Why do you believe a man and woman is human nature, couldn't human nature be to have a relationship with the person you love regardless of gender?

Nope. A man and woman is the only way. To reproduce and keep the race strong.

Homosexuals are able to have kids you know?

OT:
To answer the OP's questions:
I'm gay.
Shouldn't have to answer this one.
Or this one.

Yes i knew, adoption.

No, apparently you don't. I meant actually have offspring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy

Now, I was wondering in why you believe homosexuals need to have the same rights as straight couples?

Because there is no reason to limit the rights of people in same-sex relationships. There is no need for every last person on the planet to go breed with one another. Come talk to me again when the world is underpopulated. Or are our orphanages not full enough?

A homosexual relationship is a same-sex equivalent, so why can't you rights be equivalent but different?

That sounds like Separate but Equal. That hardly ever is the case.
And if it's different, how the hell can it be equivalent?