Gays and Homophobia

[FaceFaceFace]

I support gay rights, but I wish they'd all be a bit less obvious. Sexuality shouldn't have any effect on how you dress or your mannerisms, just who you sleep with. So if you are not holding your significant other's hand, I should not know which way you swing. I say this based on two gay guys I am friends with, one of whom I would never have guessed if he hadn't told me, and the other, lets just I get a lot of fashion advice from.

Why can't people dress the way they want? Why can't gays express their individuality? Why should everyone have to dress in the hetero standard?

I wasn't talking about how people dress at all, I was talking about mannerisms. Since there are ways to dress that would be stereotypically gay, I'll respond to your comment anyway.I don't think everyone has to dress in the "hetero standard." They have to dress in the standard standard. I don't care how they try to look different, be it flamboyant, goth, or walking around on fire. They just look different to look different, and I've always concluded that they do so because they aren't confident enough in their individuality and have to make themselves stand out artificially.

Of course, that's just my conservative social preferences. I'd rather people stand out through the important things they do, not through weird eccentricities or bizarre clothing.

 

[Azulito]

I'm Hetrosexual and completely neutral to others sexuality. Don't parade it in public (Just because your sexuality is different doesn't mean I want to see you making out in public. Heck, I speak up when Hetero couples are rude like that.) and I'll let you live your lives.

I won't actively lobby for them but I will stand up for gay rights because I believe everyone has a right to be who they want to be.

Essentially this.

I have no problem with this as long as they seek equal rights. There are a few homosexuals I've encountered who act like everything should be tailored for them. For example, on my site I have a 'partner' system and I've had a few people making "You're homophobes!!!!!!" threads given that it was only possible for Males and Females, this was because I had future plans intended for the system though. It'd of been like me going into a gay bar and demanding everything should also be tailored for straight people while calling them heterophobes(?). It's only a small handful of people though so it's not that big a deal

Also, I support same sex marriage xD The example was simply on online web-game thingy.

 

[Michael Logan]

Im a bit homophobic admittedly, which I guess is weird since Ive met exactly one gay person(that I know of)and he didnt do anything at all to offend me. I guess its just media and movies that affects me?

 

[thublihnk]

I support gay rights, but I wish they'd all be a bit less obvious. Sexuality shouldn't have any effect on how you dress or your mannerisms, just who you sleep with. So if you are not holding your significant other's hand, I should not know which way you swing. I say this based on two gay guys I am friends with, one of whom I would never have guessed if he hadn't told me, and the other, lets just I get a lot of fashion advice from.

Why can't people dress the way they want? Why can't gays express their individuality? Why should everyone have to dress in the hetero standard?

I wasn't talking about how people dress at all, I was talking about mannerisms. Since there are ways to dress that would be stereotypically gay, I'll respond to your comment anyway.I don't think everyone has to dress in the "hetero standard." They have to dress in the standard standard. I don't care how they try to look different, be it flamboyant, goth, or walking around on fire. They just look different to look different, and I've always concluded that they do so because they aren't confident enough in their individuality and have to make themselves stand out artificially.

Of course, that's just my conservative social preferences. I'd rather people stand out through the important things they do, not through weird eccentricities or bizarre clothing.

Well that sucks. Just because someone doesn't conform to your nebulous standards for dress and appearance doesn't mean they're not doing anything else with their life. It means they care about what they look like and what they think looks good doesn't fall into your standards. Forgive me if this sounds dismissive but that is a colossally shitty way to think about people.

 

[outcesticide69]

Idk, its just called Introduction into psychology. I left it back in my dorm, but ill tell you who the author is, when i get back. And most other theories are just padded down with political liberal bullshit. I dont believe people to be raised gay by their parents, or their parents really having much of a personal affect to being gay. eg. if a parent treats their kid badly, he wont turn out gay.

What about homosexuality being caused according to Povloving conditioning (Not sexual abuse, more experiences in life which has altered views about each sex, which was Frueud's belief [bit more to it but that's the general sense of it]) or, the now official positions of the American Pyshciatric and Psychology Associations, that it is a normal sexual variation due to no evidence to the contary? Why that belief in particular?

Well then you consider being gay a choice. You either have it or dont. to say that it is a choice, kinda goes against gays, and then it would be considered to be a moral issue rather than brain defect. So then, by that rational gays would be a step backwards, instead of sideways, in population growth and would be considered a threat to the human race, which i refuse to believe. To explore a person's sexual interests, is something that takes time to discover, but it never changes. People that are gay and are with a person of the opposite sex are only doing it to be accepted in society, not because they were opened up to the idea of being straight, thats how we get sexual confusion in young teens(last statement was just opinion, i have no facts to base anything off it, so dont ask any questions as to why i believe it).

 

[Brutal Peanut]

[Bi-sexual woman, married to a straight man.^_^]

We don't care what people do in their bedrooms, as long as it's
between consenting adults. It's none of our business.

His family is fairly religious, and even though they don't really agree with it-
they aren't against it. They are very, "to each their own" sort of people.

Me?: I am pleased that people can truly find themselves and find love with
a man/woman/trans-gendered, whatever makes them happy.

-However-
As time goes on: Me-thinks that 'some' people of differing orientations,races,
religions would rather be treated 'special', instead of actually equal.

 

[spartan1077]

bi
definitly not against any types of people(except those who discriminate or tell me to make up my mind)

Also-I hate it when people show public displays of affection such as making-out in public. Be it homosexual or heterosexual it makes me feel lonely :/ But I still have nothing against anyone...

 

[Z(ombie)fan]

Im bi yet my friend is a homophobe.

he once said -FOR NO REASON OUT OF NOWHERE- "gay people don't deserve to live"

reason #257 why he is scared as shit of me.

 

[Jazzyjazz2323]

I think I'll bring a pretty different point of view so let's start.My aunt is "Bi"though i put that in quotations because she's only been with one man her entire life all other relationships have been with women she was also a nun but left the convent to be with her girlfriend at the time and the one man she was with was a FtM transexual(whom i loved dearly as my uncle and i still stay in contact sadly they divorced)She is still a practicing catholic.My dads a huge homophobe which makes family get togethers awkward.So my views on the issue are seated in two sides of the spectrum.I believe gays have no right to be married in church as that's what I view religiously.But to be married in the courts and to be recognized as a married couple by the state damn right they better be able too.Gays are people as well whether i agree with there life choice is not up to me. I also believe in gay adoption.But I will say this public displays of affection from gays actually does kinda make me abit uneasy so I guess I am a bit bigoted.

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

Just let everybody do what they want.

I think Louis ck said it best

 

[Thepostaldude1]

I am gay >.>


Hurray for me?

 

[hudsonzero]

i am one for not caring in the slightest if your gay bi strait
i only care if your your a annoying or not

 

[FaceFaceFace]

I support gay rights, but I wish they'd all be a bit less obvious. Sexuality shouldn't have any effect on how you dress or your mannerisms, just who you sleep with. So if you are not holding your significant other's hand, I should not know which way you swing. I say this based on two gay guys I am friends with, one of whom I would never have guessed if he hadn't told me, and the other, lets just I get a lot of fashion advice from.

Why can't people dress the way they want? Why can't gays express their individuality? Why should everyone have to dress in the hetero standard?

I wasn't talking about how people dress at all, I was talking about mannerisms. Since there are ways to dress that would be stereotypically gay, I'll respond to your comment anyway.I don't think everyone has to dress in the "hetero standard." They have to dress in the standard standard. I don't care how they try to look different, be it flamboyant, goth, or walking around on fire. They just look different to look different, and I've always concluded that they do so because they aren't confident enough in their individuality and have to make themselves stand out artificially.

Of course, that's just my conservative social preferences. I'd rather people stand out through the important things they do, not through weird eccentricities or bizarre clothing.

Well that sucks. Just because someone doesn't conform to your nebulous standards for dress and appearance doesn't mean they're not doing anything else with their life. It means they care about what they look like and what they think looks good doesn't fall into your standards. Forgive me if this sounds dismissive but that is a colossally shitty way to think about people.

First, I didn't mean to imply that people who dress differently aren't doing anything with their life, although I see where I more or less did. Oops.

To your point, I almost agree. It would suck if everyone had to conform to my "nebulous standards for dress and appearance." But there are two things that prevent this. One, I don't consider my standards all that nebulous and I think it's pretty easy to say whether an appearance is outlandish or not. Two, it's not just my standards, it's the norm.

Now, I may prefer this appearance simply because it is the norm and has been socially ingrained in my mind as such, or I may actually prefer the style and just happen to be lucky that most other people do, too. The point being, though, that I am hardly alone in disliking appearances that are blatantly, both to observers and the person themself, outlandish.

Also, maybe this should've been my first point, its not that big of a deal to me. I would prefer people dress the norm, but other than a bad first impression or being a minor source of annoyance, it really doesn't matter that much to me. Basically, I wouldn't outlaw it if I were a dictator, but I would remove the preference from people's minds if I was God. (The clothes thing. Not homosexuality. I'm fine with that).

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Well then you consider being gay a choice. You either have it or dont. to say that it is a choice, kinda goes against gays, and then it would be considered to be a moral issue rather than brain defect. So then, by that rational gays would be a step backwards, instead of sideways, in population growth and would be considered a threat to the human race, which i refuse to believe. To explore a person's sexual interests, is something that takes time to discover, but it never changes. People that are gay and are with a person of the opposite sex are only doing it to be accepted in society, not because they were opened up to the idea of being straight, thats how we get sexual confusion in young teens(last statement was just opinion, i have no facts to base anything off it, so dont ask any questions as to why i believe it).

But that does not answer the section of it being a result of Pavloving condtioning or normal sexual variation.

For Pavloving Conditioning:
It is no longer really a choice, lfe experience have set an individuals mind to have specific feelings and ideas due to life long conditioning due to experience. As Freud said "All people are inherently bisexual, our life experiences make us homosexual, hetrosexual or remain bisexual". It is not a choice, like a fear of clowns, for example, which seems from being assualted by a clown in your youth (Though I'm not saying people become gay due to abuse, that was just to illustrate one kind of conditioning). Why do you believe that this is a choice? How come you do not see this form of conditioning as uncontrollable?

For APA's theory:
Humans are still driven by instinctive urges which we don't have to act upon, however nearly all individuals act upon this urge, but the urge is still there, as you said,. So why couldn't it be a different neural set-up? Why do you see it to be a defect and not as a variation?

 

[Ekonk]

For. Do you want to know why? First, I believe strongly in the Golden Rule of 'Never do to someone else what you wouldn't want someone else to do to you.'
As such, I try to treat anyone how I myself would like to be treated. It works for everything.

Second, I do not harbour any belief - religious or otherwise - that denounces, explicitly or inexplicitly, homosexuality.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I'm against it. I don't see how thats homophobia....a phobia is a fear, and i don't fear it. I just don't believe it's right.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Straight.

For.

This may sound weird, but of the 3 lesbian friends I've made, I'm more comfortable talking to them about man-troubles (as in troubles experienced by men, just clarifying) than my actual man friends, gay or straight. Also their are gays and lesbians in my family, and I have a few gay and lesbian friends, I know they are good people and deserve the same rights as everyone else.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I'm against it. I don't see how thats homophobia....a phobia is a fear, and i don't fear it. I just don't believe it's right.

What about it do you believe is wrong? Where have these beliefs stemmed from?

 

[redisforever]

To be honest, I have no clue what I am...I'm a guy who loves girls, but maybe one or two guys...mostly straight?
I do think you should be whatever you like, as long as you're happy.

 

[gundargundar]

I'm straight, but shit happens

And whatever floats your boat is fine with me, as long as it doesn't include bestiality or some pedo shit