George R.R. Martin Has A Twist For Someone HBO's Game of Thrones Killed Off

[Damian Porter]

Cinema/TV/Video Games. The inferior art forms/mediums (for now).

No, they aren't inferior. Not even close. What a stupid thing to say.

Well I have been a gamer ALL my life.
Sometimes though, for any progress to be made, one must acknowledge certain things. Such is life. It is how it is.

Yeah, like acknowledging the fact that your opinion is not fact. Saying one medium is somehow superior displays complete ignorance.

I too have been gaming all my life. I've also read books and watched TV shows and movies, and I've found only pathetic elite pricks would claim books are somehow superior. I've heard all the excuses, and they are just that, excuses.

 

[Damian Porter]

Cinema/TV/Video Games. The inferior art forms/mediums (for now).

No, they aren't inferior. Not even close. What a stupid thing to say.

Well I have been a gamer ALL my life.
Sometimes though, for any progress to be made, one must acknowledge certain things. Such is life. It is how it is.

Yeah, like acknowledging the fact that your opinion is not fact. Saying one medium is somehow superior displays complete ignorance.

I too have been gaming all my life. I've also read books and watched TV shows and movies, and I've found only pathetic elite pricks would claim books are somehow superior. I've heard all the excuses, and they are just that, excuses.

1) You would do well to reread my comment and actually understand it. Judging by your comment, you seem to have not done so.

2) That is fine mate. Hell, more power to you! Unfortunately, I VERY STRONGLY disagree. It is the opposite, what your average gamer says is a stupid excuse usually.

I did read your comment and I STRONGLY disagree with YOU. Nothing you said was a fact and I'm calling you out on it. No, it isn't the opposite because book lovers ARE making excuses.

 

[Damian Porter]

So... you do not classify yourself as a book lover?
You think that literature is in a position where it has to make excuses... to video games and gamers? The hell? It was (wrongly) the opposite till a few years ago.

And no, you may have read the comment, but that does not mean you understood it.

I understood your post just fine. It wasn't as factual or insightful as you think it was. And yes, you are making excuses. Literature itself doesn't need to make excuses, it's people like you making the excuses based on the age of the medium. Books aren't superior. They are just another medium to tell stories. And like the other mediums, there are tons of crap along with good stuff.

 

[Damian Porter]

Good. Rothfuss agrees on your last point. But ... not what I was talking about

Something NOT being insightful does not mean it is always understood. I understand what you are writing, it is gung ho in nature and irrelevant to what I was saying.

Have been in these discussions with gamers before. It will not progress. It is a waste of time.

What does this have to do with being a gamer? I'm not arguing your point as a gamer. Once again, it is you who seems to be missing the point.

Literature DOES have its share of bad writing and bad authors. Deal with it. Defending it by saying games/movies/tv are the ones with bad writing just proves you are being ignorant on this topic. Once again, you brought no facts here, yet you are trying to argue your point as if it were fact but not providing a proper reason.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Good. Rothfuss agrees on your last point. But ... not what I was talking about

Something NOT being insightful does not mean it is always understood. I understand what you are writing, it is gung ho in nature and irrelevant to what I was saying.

Have been in these discussions with gamers before. It will not progress. It is a waste of time.

What does this have to do with being a gamer? I'm not arguing your point as a gamer. Once again, it is you who seems to be missing the point.

Literature DOES have its share of bad writing and bad authors. Deal with it. Defending it by saying games/movies/tv are the ones with bad writing just proves you are being ignorant on this topic. Once again, you brought no facts here, yet you are trying to argue your point as if it were fact but not providing a proper reason.

Will make it simpler for you.
The ABSOLUTE BEST video games have is not EVEN COME CLOSE to (not even in the same dimension) the best of literature. The difference is enormous and I probably will not live long enough to see it on a comparable plane. I will die before that.
The worst of video games is also generally worse than most publishable drivel.

And still, this is not what I said...this is pointless.

I don't completely disagree with you, and I would actually say you have a point that the best of literature is better written than the best of video game stories. One thing you really have to consider, though, is that it has only been about 25 years since video games have really been capable of having a story without sacrificing gameplay. Not only has literature been around a far longer time, but story is literally all there is about a book. If a book has a terrible story, nothing can make up for it, whereas it is possible for a game to have a terrible story, and still be a great game (Super Mario Bros. 3, for example). The comparison doesn't quite work on a 1-1 basis.

 

[Jute88]

My money would be on

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Barristan Selmy
Still can't believe they killed him off in the show

Damn. I had already forgotten that death scene. Damn you.

 

[Angelous Wang]

I think I remember in a past interview he said he liked Ros's character and that he was thinking about writhing her into the books.

Then Joffrey killed her not that long after.

Maybe he wrote her in anyway.

 

[Politrukk]

My money would be on

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Barristan Selmy
Still can't believe they killed him off in the show

yeah that was a pointless death in the show.

 

[RedDeadFred]

My money would be on

Spoiler

Barristan Selmy
Still can't believe they killed him off in the show

yeah that was a pointless death in the show.

I know! I was really excited for his moment of badassery that would have come at the end of the season. Even as the credits rolled on that episode, I did not think for a second that he was actually dead.

 

[WarpedMind]

Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire haven't been the same story since like, episode 9 of season one, they don't value the same things and they cannot possibly end up in the same place.

 

[Broslinger]

A quick google search tells me that the show has killed off several major characters who are still kicking in the books. What the hell?

 

[Auron225]

Seems to me like it's Lady Stoneheart.

...Which is a shame, because Lady Stoneheart has to be one of my least favourite parts of the books.

I'm not sure about that. Lady Stoneheart even being a character was twist enough. I don't see anything she could possibly do that would be a bigger twist than her own existence. She hasn't done much of anything yet but we're all expecting her to show up at some point and f*ck around with whatever's going on (for better or worse). If everyone is expecting it, then it's hardly a twist.

My guess is either Mance Rayder or Myrcella - not necessarily something they themselves do or attempt, but more likely something that happens to them.