why not mow down us British. We're less likely to complainSacremPyrobolum said:Wouldnt it be interesting for you to be the one mowing down the Americans durring Dday instead of the other way around?
why not mow down us British. We're less likely to complainSacremPyrobolum said:Wouldnt it be interesting for you to be the one mowing down the Americans durring Dday instead of the other way around?
No where did I say there was need of an invasion either. If you read the link you posted the Navy was just as certian that the conventional bombing bolstering the sea blockage would be sufficent. it was the Army that wanted to invade. And of course American`s being the agressive force they are agreed with the invasion planOrdinaryundone said:I take it you haven't read much about Operation: Downfall, the projected plan to invade Japan without taking an Atomic Bomb into consideration. I'll like you to it:Hucket said:Off-topic a little: The dropping of nuclear bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima was not needed to stop the war quickly. The German's surrendered which meant the redeployment of American and Biritsh Soliders to the Eastern Front. AS well, Russia had launch massive attacks on Japanese-help territory in the East, removing their last hope of victory through Moscow's mediation. All these things combined with the already ferice conventional bomb and sea blockade would have ended the war just as quickly and without the unesscesary loss of life.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/operation_downfall.htm
Projected casualties were massive, with American casualties being between 1.5 and 4 million, and Japanese as high as 10 million. And this was taking into consideration everything you mentioned: Full Naval blockade, air support, you name it. The brutal fighting encountered on the islands in the Pacific were a perfect indicator of how an invasion of mainland Japan would be. Long, slow, and extremely costly. The Japanese had already demonstrated their fanaticism time and time again, along with a complete unwillingness to surrender.
If anything, the A-bombs were a prudent first measure, as we would have been unable to ignore strong population centers like Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyway, and a land assault would have been even more costly for both sides in both. The 200,000 killed by the A-bombs in no way compare to the millions that would have died.
Still doesn't change the fact that a massive sea bombardment targeted at Japan's industrial and population centers would have caused more casualties than dropping the A-Bombs. The bombs didn't end the war by killing people, 200,000 is really a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Its that we had the CAPABILITY, and the willingness, to snuff out entire cities without giving the Japanese any chance to fight back that caused them to back down.Hucket said:No where did I say there was need of an invasion either. If you read the link you posted the Navy was just as certian that the conventional bombing bolstering the sea blockage would be sufficent. it was the Army that wanted to invade. And of course American`s being the agressive force they are agreed with the invasion plan
WW2 started in 1939.Midnight Crossroads said:Should be easy to do, but I guess they figure most American's wouldn't be interested if it didn't have Americans in it, as everyone knows that WW2 began in 1941, and all fighting took place between competent Americans and a bunch of layabout Europeans smoking cigarettes and drinking wine comparing mustaches against Germans who couldn't shoot straight unless to create a more dramatic scene or Japanese tourists in the Philippines that just happened to be carrying samurai swords and Arisaka rifles.
Hell, it's not like you would even have to kill Americans. Who do people think the Japanese fought when they invaded China? or the Germans invaded Greece or Poland?
There is no truth in that statement. Germany was pounded into ruin by The Soviets, while America and England ate away at it's resources. America literally vaporised, burned or irradiated between 150,000 and 246,000 depending on who you ask. Incase that didn't work we had the worlds biggest invasion force ever on speed dial. The lost. All major axis cities were turned to rubble and ash.Jeffrey Ross said:They didn't lose, they just got bored.Jackpot524 said:You mean play a Campaign that you are eventually destined to lose? I don't see any sense of accomplishment being gained there...