German "Killer Game" Culling Fails to Set the World on Fire

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Brotherofwill said:
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Do they not realise pressing a button is very different to pulling a trigger?
Really? Are you sure?


The shocking truth..dun dun duuuun!

Turns out the Wii has been systematically turning the young 'uns into killers. Who knew?
*gasp* And its designed to appeal to EVERYONE! Nintendo are trying to breed an army of killers... THROUGH THE WII! I knew it was too family friendly to be true! ;)
 

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Looking at the group's site, one of their main aims is to get parents to take an active interest in what their kids do, and, you know, actually parenting. I'm 99% expecting to get flamed for saying this, but I know I've been shocked by seeing parents buying games like Condemned, GTA and Saints Row for kids as young as 8-10 years old. There's a ratings system for a reason. Some games just aren't appropriate for some age ranges, yet when I pointed this out to one parent in a shop, who was marching towards the counter with a bratty 10 year old and a copy of GTAIV, they didn't seem to have a clue, or care that much. Go figure.
Hold up a second. Every child is different. While some parents may be purchasing games for their underage child because they "haven't got a clue" it is just as likely that the parent does understand what is what and recognises that their child is emotionally capable of handling the themes depicted in the game they want. I've played 18s as a wee child, what few of them were out there that appealed to me. Grand Theft Auto, for example was one of my favourite games and we bought GTA: London and GTA2 way back when. My parents watched me play, they saw what was going on and they didn't stop me because they saw that I wasn't unhinged with reality and I can tell the difference.

Point is, when a parent is buying a game for their kid and it's got a high rating: Don't instantly dismiss them as a terrible parent who doesn't care what their kids are doing, but rather because they know their child to such an extent that they can make an informed decision of what is and is not suitable for the child to play. In the particular case you brought up, yes, it seems the parent didn't have a clue. You shouldn't hold that as truth for every case however.
I don't have a problem with parents who know what their kids are exposed to, it only makes me angry in cases like the one I mentioned where the 'responsible adult' didn't have a clue, and had caved to their kid's whining/demands.
I wonder if the parent would have let that same child watch Pulp Fiction, given that it's a film sharing many of the same themes, and the same classification rating as GTA IV.
Maybe I'm just too old-fashioned, or was brought up differently to you (as an example, my parents, and many of the parents of my friends at primary school wouldn't allow their kids to see Jurassic Park when it first came out in '93... we were 8-9 at the time) - maybe that's why I do have strong feelings on the subject, and believe that young children should be shielded from certain things, like violence, drugs etc, until their old enough to cope with the truth about the subjects.

Aaaaaanyhow, to drag this wall of text back on-topic, raising publicity about the content of certain videogames isn't a bad thing, if it makes parents think about what they should be letting young children play.

But blaming the content of games for violent acts in real life isn't sensible. After all, people were murdering each other a loooooooong time before games were invented.
True, its like over here, one kid (kid A) went pyscho and murdered another kid. Kid A was already a pyschopath before he became a murder, of course, and yet video games got some of the blame because he happened to play Man hunt. Now, the crazy part is, kid A's OWN MOTHER blamed the game for it and tried to have violent games banned. Even though it was clearly marked with this label:



Now, I don't know about you, but I'd say thats pretty damn clear that you should at least review the content before letting the kid play it. Fortunately, so far, there hasn't been an anti gamer backlash. One MP had a half hearted drive to try and rally people against them, but corruption charges where eventually leveled at him (not sure of the details).

Fortunately, very few people buy into the bullshit that "Violent games == Violent kids" over here, and the BBFC is pretty fair about games. They only 2 to get banned in last 10 years were Carmageddon (later repealed) and Manhunt 2 (i.e. a real torture/murder simulator, from what I've heard, unlike a Jack Thompson "murder simulator")
 

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This was all caused because a shooting was claimed to have links with a video game? i don't see the point of blaming violent acts of disturbed individuals on media. im guessing the the person or people responsible for this attack dident just go home one day, play counter strike and decide to go shoot at people.

If video games should get ban for provoking violence then they should ban all things that provoke it. starting with the Beatles. Charles Manson said it was his inspiration for ordering the Family to so what they did. Do i think that there Wight album made him think this way, no, i think there was something wrong with him to begin with.
 

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Damn, I was gonna cause an uproar over here, write to the Daily Mail, and get a big campaign going, and hire a skip in my town to dispose of all these evil, killer games.

Then empty the skip into a wheelbarrow and trundle down to GAME and trade them all in for a new 360, PS3, Wii, and a big pile of new ultraviolent games :D

But it seems I'd only make about five pounds, won't even cover the cost of the skip hire.

There again, a lot of people read the Daily Mail and they generally have a lot of money...

*Considers plan*
 

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I tell ya what that video was missing...

A load of tumbleweed blowing across the street.

I find it kind of sad that while the parents blame the games for their little darling's shooting spree, they NEVER take responsibility for their child's actions. But then again, who's going to say "I'm sorry, it's all my fault - I should have been a better parent to little Johnny" to media film crew?

The game is nothing more than an easy scapegoat for the parent to pass the buck onto.
 

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It seems our support was not needed in the end. I must apologize and admit that I placed little faith in our brothers overseas... I am sorry.
 

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I hope for the sake of Germany, that the anti-gamer groups are getting their ass handed to them. From the little I've heard though their winning since your country seems to ban any game that looks at them funney (I can understand why they don't like WWII games though). At any rate, please tell me I'm wrong. It'd suck if a guy got into power based on anti games who was as crazy as Hitler.
The answer is no. This election, we had a party standing up for the rights of data-security, free gaming, against the government spying on your computer with self-made trojans/hijacking stuff... and they got like 2%...

So the left wing won this time and people already start complaining about them. This country is so f*cked up...
 

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Well hopefully the politicians start seeing the trend of votes come next election, and start looking for the correct answer to the problem, and not a scapegoat answer like your country has a history of exploding into world issues. Repeating history is never a good idea. I'm glad for once people in Germany might actually be realizing that.
I heard a polititian on the radio. He was asked "People of what age are mainly focused by your actions?" and he answered "people around 60+ because that´s the age of our voters"

In germany, young people get angry at polititians and refuse to vote. I think that´s logical, because they just try to do stuff which involves getting money in. I can´t remember one thing they did for young people. Germany seems to hate us. And speaking about mass media and the truth, America has MUCH more shocking, revealing movies and shows on TV than we have.
It´s like we should consume, stay dumb and sit in the corner of our room playing "Gina Lisas Extreme Shopping" on our DS.
 

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JARwing said:
This election, we had a party standing up for the rights of data-security, free gaming, against the government spying on your computer with self-made trojans/hijacking stuff... and they got like 2%...
To be fair, the pirate party is a pretty new political movement and for that they didn't do that bad. When the German green party started out they didn't get that far in their first election. And the pirates got over 5% in a city or two.
 

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JARwing said:
samsonguy920 said:
Well hopefully the politicians start seeing the trend of votes come next election, and start looking for the correct answer to the problem, and not a scapegoat answer like your country has a history of exploding into world issues. Repeating history is never a good idea. I'm glad for once people in Germany might actually be realizing that.
I heard a politician on the radio. He was asked "People of what age are mainly focused by your actions?" and he answered "people around 60+ because that´s the age of our voters"

In germany, young people get angry at polititians and refuse to vote. I think that´s logical, because they just try to do stuff which involves getting money in. I can´t remember one thing they did for young people. Germany seems to hate us. And speaking about mass media and the truth, America has MUCH more shocking, revealing movies and shows on TV than we have.
It´s like we should consume, stay dumb and sit in the corner of our room playing "Gina Lisas Extreme Shopping" on our DS.
Every election there is more a push to get 18-29's out to vote, usually with the wrong message included(mostly because it is focused on the youth that can't vote at that time, being 15-17). Heck even the uptight Republican Party held quite the youth rally for this last Presidential election, though it obviously fizzled. The politician you heard speak about his voting demographic isn't too different from quite a few of our own. I may have to do some research on this to really see what sets Germany and the US apart, but there are many a politician here who would as soon put restrictions on games. I'm sad that the nightmare we fear here is the nightmare you are experiencing there. I hope that can change for the better for you and others.
 

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Yes well, Cod6 makes me want to kill all the arabs and muslims and russians and...wait NO now im sposed to kill americans and...oh no WHAT DO I DO the commands are contrary!!! NOOO (head explodes)

noobs
 

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Jesus Christ guys... I do see the funny side, but this isn't some fantacial politician or a crazy homeless guy. These are the families of a tragic event who were misguided by an incredibly biased media and government, who genuinely think that the youth of today is up to no good. Really? I mean... really? The German youth of today are the direct descendants of the German youth of yesterday, and we all know what the German youth got up to in their spare time and favourite uniforms.

I feel for the hosts. It's not their fault they were told about violent games (read not any other form of media or stimulation including the fucking killer going to a gun range and owning lots of guns ) by a scapegoating media who have taken an outrageous step into ludicrousness ever since they started calling these violent games "killer" games, as if the games themselves creep out at night and strangle adorable homeless orphans.