You've now taken exception - hell, taken OFFENCE even - to my using "white", "male", "geek", and "culture" to describe the majority of people working in the games industry. If I say they're all human, are you going to point out how I'm discriminating against martians?UberPubert said:Again with this "I" business. You've gone to speaking for white male game developers while denying it and now you presume to speak for the culture you have labeled them as belonging to. Well, surprise! I am also part of this nebulous "geek culture" you speak of, though I'd never seriously say that or describe myself in that way because what's considered "geeky" is so widespread and bland that it means nothing. Been collecting comics your entire life? Geek. Have a passing interest in popular superhero movies? Geek. Play angry birds? Well, that automatically makes you a gamer, so you must also be a geek!TheMadDoctorsCat said:You seem to have problems with my very definition of a "culture". I've been part of it for over fifteen years now. I know it exists, I know how exclusive it can be, and there are enough numbers out there to show that my personal experience is pretty representative of the culture as a whole.
It's a tiresome, trivial label, and you trying to explain it to someone who visits the forums on a website called "The Escapist" with your "fifteen years" of experience is facepalmingly patronizing to the point of nosebleed or concussion.
But you are. You're describing them as an exclusionary and homogenous group of people with same ideas about how games should work, how is that not being judgemental?TheMadDoctorsCat said:I'm not judging the people in it.
This speaks volumes. How can you possibly hope to "fix" something when you don't even fully understand what you've described as the "problem"? If you can't find the root cause of something, how can it be effectively addressed?TheMadDoctorsCat said:I'm not questioning WHY it is the way it is.
But you're going to point them out anyway, label them, criticize the culture you've pinned on them, and then reference how you have the stats to back it up. Not pointing any fingers, though.TheMadDoctorsCat said:I'm not blaming anyone for why it is the way it is.
It's funny, because if you'd worded that just a little bit better we could be on the same page and agree to mutually end the discussion. But you can't just say the industry has been actively excluding people like it's a fact and expect me not to protest. Discriminating against employees on matters of race or sex (and numerous other things, which can be read here: http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html and here http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/) has been a federal offense in the United States since before videogames, the claim that they have done it anyway is nigh-slanderous and insulting.TheMadDoctorsCat said:I'm asking how it can be more inclusive to people who traditionally haven't been specifically included, or may have been actively excluded, from said culture. And if you seriously have a problem with that then I don't even know what to say to you.
EDIT: I honestly thought you weren't a troll, just somebody who'd got the wrong end of the stick. Am I giving you way too much credit here?