Ghostbusters heading for $70 million loss

[bastardofmelbourne]

A damning accusation, now you just have to find out what product I'm shilling for!

...Or did you just think, "Astroturf" means "New"?
Or were you just being a dick on someone else's behalf, because, "bored"?

Well, I think that - generally speaking - people can express a divisive opinion without needing to be paid first. And that, generally speaking, calling someone a corporate shill on the basis that they disagree with you is...well, at best, it's poor rhetoric. At worst, it's what we on the Internet call a "dick move."

Sorry if I offended you. I just figured that, you know - the likelihood of someone's account being a sock puppet for some marketing intern decreases if it dates back, say, a year or more. Whereas a guy who joined last July...eh. Glass houses, stones, etc.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

A damning accusation, now you just have to find out what product I'm shilling for!

...Or did you just think, "Astroturf" means "New"?
Or were you just being a dick on someone else's behalf, because, "bored"?

Well, I think that - generally speaking - people can express a divisive opinion without needing to be paid first. And that, generally speaking, calling someone a corporate shill on the basis that they disagree with you is...well, at best, it's poor rhetoric. At worst, it's what we on the Internet call a "dick move."

Sorry if I offended you. I just figured that, you know - the likelihood of someone's account being a sock puppet for some marketing intern decreases if it dates back, say, a year or more. Whereas a guy who joined last July...eh. Glass houses, stones, etc.

Well I have been following this site since the earliest days when Yatzhee was still fresh. Even reading the forums so I know handful of people here before I joined up.

Why have I not joined earlier? Something to do with Proxy server that prevent using my account that i am using now then I tried again and now it works..

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

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Star Trek hasn't been in stasis for the past 30 years. Star Trek has been CONSTANTLY shooting out movies, TV shows, games, etc, and it's had it's fair share of flops and missteps.

Edit: Added bonus in that, last I heard, the latest Trek movie hasn't hit China yet which could make up the difference.

In comparison, Ghostbusters hasn't really had crap going on. It had the games released back in I think 09, and the comic series, but beyond that nothing. This movie was the biggest thing to happen with it in frigging YEARS!

Star Trek will survive a movie doing badly. Heck, this isn't even the first time a Trek movie did badly. But Ghostbusters? Not so much.

With merchandising and DVD sales etc added on the movie will make its money back at the very least.

Yep. It SUUUURE will. After all the tie in videogame sure sold well! And a number of stores haven't been putting the toys in the discount bins!

Seriously, if people didn't go to see it in theaters enough to make back the budget, what on EARTH makes you think they're gonna buy enough home copies to make up the difference!?

Dude even Waterworld broke even on VHS. A movie not making it's money back on home video pretty much never happens.

Everyone who thinks they know how this stuff works should read Mark Kermode's The Good, The Bad and The Multiplex.

Well color me surprised then. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[Angelblaze]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

2. Ghostbusters is going to make its money back, even if its on long term dvd sales, netflix licensing and merchandise.

3. Kind of cute how you think I'll listen to you, even when I just don't respect your word so....still no. Will def. go into budget management--except, you know, I'm already the only working person with a stable income in a house of 4 people and have not only been keeping us out of debt but saving up some nice green.

So you know
I'm probably better at this then you.

 

[axlryder]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

Oh shit, she went all Toon Patrol on us. Glad she managed to eek out one more post full of sound and fury before biting the big one.

Hats off.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

2. Ghostbusters is going to make its money back, even if its on long term dvd sales, netflix licensing and merchandise.

3. Kind of cute how you think I'll listen to you, even when I just don't respect your word so....still no. Will def. go into budget management--except, you know, I'm already the only working person with a stable income in a house of 4 people and have not only been keeping us out of debt but saving up some nice green.

So you know
I'm probably better at this then you.

If you're better at this than me, by all accounts it's only because you haven't found anyone you would be willing to spend money to spite.

And yeah, it'll most likely make the money back through those avenues, but it's still not gonna change the fact that it flopped hard at the box office. The people funding these things don't tend to give a crap about long term, and they don't give a crap about breaking even. They want profits, and they want them now. Make a few more movies like this and any movie with a feminist message, good or otherwise, is gonna end up getting shafted because the crappy movies kept flopping.

What you propose is the near definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

 

[Angelblaze]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

2. Ghostbusters is going to make its money back, even if its on long term dvd sales, netflix licensing and merchandise.

3. Kind of cute how you think I'll listen to you, even when I just don't respect your word so....still no. Will def. go into budget management--except, you know, I'm already the only working person with a stable income in a house of 4 people and have not only been keeping us out of debt but saving up some nice green.

So you know
I'm probably better at this then you.

If you're better at this than me, by all accounts it's only because you haven't found anyone you would be willing to spend money to spite.

And yeah, it'll most likely make the money back through those avenues, but it's still not gonna change the fact that it flopped hard at the box office. The people funding these things don't tend to give a crap about long term, and they don't give a crap about breaking even. They want profits, and they want them now. Make a few more movies like this and any movie with a feminist message, good or otherwise, is gonna end up getting shafted because the crappy movies kept flopping.

What you propose is the near definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

1. Again, your 'victory' in this argument depends on two things; assuming I'm incompetent and assuming I'd have done both the campaigning and marketing the same. Both coming from a place of spite on your own part, I should think.

2. More of a Gorilla Threshold, really.

 

[Luna Saltatio]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

Oh shit, she went all Toon Patrol on us. Glad she managed to eek out one more post full of sound and fury before biting the big one.

Hats off.

What are you talking about?

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

What are you talking about?

You need to watch Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

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That's not a Godzilla Threshold. A Godzilla Threshold is when the situation is so terrible, and the situation is so dire that ANYTHING that could defeat the problem is now a viable solution no matter how horrible it is. (I.E. Sending the patron saint of collateral damage to fight another giant monster can't possibly make the situation any worse.) Quite frankly the idea that women's rights in this country is so bad that creating a horrible movie to spite a handful of sexist twits is NECESSARY is more than a little laughable.

So no, this would still be very firmly in Pyrrhic Victory territory. A movie was made to basically fight another battle in the gender wars and to spite a bunch of nerds, and in the process it lost 70 million dollars, burned a ton of bridges, cost an already bleeding company to hemorrhage, will send a beloved franchise back into hibernation, and made so many people look like laughingstocks for choosing THIS as their hill to die on. Any more victories like that and feminism will be synonymous with box office poison.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

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What in the name of flippity-floppity Jesus are you two actually arguing about?

 

[Angelblaze]

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What in the name of flippity-floppity Jesus are you two actually arguing about?

He's desperately trying to insult me.
He doesn't realize I'm not actually caring.
And yeah, still a Gorilla Victory. Write me two more paragraphs about it please, I'll definitely read them.

 

[FalloutJack]

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What in the name of flippity-floppity Jesus are you two actually arguing about?

He's desperately trying to insult me.
He doesn't realize I'm not actually caring.
And yeah, still a Gorilla Victory. Write me two more paragraphs about it please, I'll definitely read them.

Definitely the reverse of the situation.

What in the name of flippity-floppity Jesus are you two actually arguing about?

For a real non-smug antogonist answer, they're arguing about whether the movie will make back its money in DVD sales. Given the movie iself is just a remake of a well-known movie, I'm thinking the response is similar to the theaters, a decided "Meh".

 

[TechNoFear]

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Hollywood accounting is designed to make a loss.

Much of the movie's cost is services bought from the studio at a premium price and interest paid on loans from the studio.

So the studio made plenty of money but the movie is not profitable.

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

This kerfuffle is odd to me. Then again, I'm still pissed at Aliens Colonial Marines and am genuinely surprised it has its own fanbase who will vilify anybody who finds fault with it or with how it was marketed.