Ghostbusters Trailer - Holy s#!t, how is it this bad?

Nemmerle

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Im Lang:

Insulting people is not a viable way to correct their behaviour when you cannot impose real world consequences that they are likely to care about. Even then, unless you're getting them fairly young and can perform some sort of conditioning exercise on them, it's unlikely to have lasting effect absent the constant presence of the coercion. If you assume that the people who you are insulting have malign intentions, then it's like wrestling with a pig - the pig enjoys it, that's what he's there for. If you assume their intentions are benign, then insulting them just makes them less likely to work with you.

If you want to break an adult that way, you need to be able to control their environment to a degree that you can't here. Alternate pleasure and pain - or the absence of pleasure - blow their mind one moment, ignore them the next on some randomised basis, cut them off from other forms of socialising, etc. There are a bunch of ways to do it, but they require fairly significant influence over someone, either something that they allow you because of some value they believe you add or something you can impose on them. It's a lot like those mobile games and gambling actually.

But I digress:

Fox12, who you are well aware I have spoken to about his own conduct, reflected your own behaviour back at you, and the tone of the rest of the thread was not noticeably ameliorated by your insults. To expand upon your drowning man analogy, you're both drowning. It's just that one of you shot someone while the other one went upstairs. Put more simply: You only get to stand by results to excuse your actions if you have some.

As for the matter of the tone of the thread itself, it's hard to judge. If people meant exactly what they typed, you'd not be mistaken. But hyperbole is a thing. I suspect that you and Fox12 are reading the exact same thing with two different tones projected onto it and much of your disagreement arises from that. Though it's largely besides the point which of you is correct since there are other ways to judge the tone of a discussion and address it than jumping directly in with the insults.

You may, of course, be right in the more general sense. Perhaps my course of action entails pyrrhic results; moderating a tomb, etc... But your post has not convinced me of this. This isn't the first forum I've moderated, you're not the first user to respond in this manner to actions of this nature, and I don't think this is the exception. At some low-level of probability there's always going to be that risk, of course, but that will be true for any course of action and is consequently no reason to favour your position over my past experiences.

In pithy terms: Anyone can threaten a consequence, sometimes you have to actually show that you are capable of delivering that consequence. Otherwise, all discussion goes to the person who can most quickly threaten the most extreme outcome.
 

NiPah

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I never watched the first movie, but I'm planning on seeing this one purely because so many people are focused on it, may even watch the first one just for context.
Might be rental though, or worst case Netflix, but given how much outrage, who could stay away.

But honestly the humor just doesn't jive with me, eh I'll wait till it gets released to form an opinion on it.
 

Nemmerle

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Im Lang:

Your actions, in your own words, were 'sarcastic and bitchy' and you used posts with a similar pattern as an excuse to escalate. You don't think you insulted anyone, but one can hardly deny that sarcastic bitchy comments calling people immature are likely to do so. You find it unnecessary to judge the tone of a thread, or the intentions of the people in it, and yet at the same time your original post was directed at your perception of people acting like children. You attempted to explain your own actions by appeal to doing something about the environment you are in, yet you can't point to results to back that up and what you do point to of the thread hardly seems to fit your definition of an improved environment either, (frankly every time you point to the thread going further in a direction that you are not interested in it serves to weaken rather than strengthen your position with me.) You think that implying consequence will convince me, yet you're incorrect about where I come from and don't understand whatever went on behind the scenes with the website you're talking about. Despite it being expressly forbidden in the rules, you've continued to argue with me in public about this (and I was prepared to grant some leniency there for the value that such a discussion might have attained.)

None of this has convinced me of your virtue in this matter.

Much as I like talking, I see nothing to excuse the stand you've chosen to take and you've exhausted what grace I am willing to grant you by way of reasonable discussion. Consequently, what I originally said is how I'm going to act on this issue. Further repeats of the pattern you originally showed will result in a ban.

That is my final word on the subject, which I advise you - since I can see you responding anyway - is now closed under Rule0. If you do not care for this, I suggest you talk to my boss; n0e.

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