museofdoom said:
Treblaine said:
Woah woah woah woah. I NEVER called anyone a slut, nor did I mean to imply it. I never said that a girl should never ever talk about her interest in gaming. I should have made my original post a little more specific, my bad. I find it annoying when a girl thinks she's just ever so special because she plays them. Like, if she says "Oh I'm playing COD" that's one thing, but saying "I'm playing COD AND I'm a gurrrll. LOL" That's obnoxious and attention seeking. If a girl wants to talk about gaming that's GREAT. But she really shouldn't go thinking she's a "special snowflake" just because she happens to be female, and playing video games. Also, if I thought all girls talking about games were sluts, then I would be a slut also.
Another beef with girls drawing attention to their gender: It's counterproductive in combating sexism. Like, they're acting like everyone should be surprised that they play games. If they would just stop encouraging the belief that girls don't play video games, we wouldn't even be having this discussion!
You said:
Seriously, do they expect guys to just jump all over them like the fact that they play video games makes them hot suddenly?
Go ahead an try to deny it again. I think I caught you red handed.
I'll call This the way I see it: a backhanded, unfounded slut-shaming of any women daring to share her interest in computer games.
Whether you meant to or not. You did.
You don't give the benefit of the doubt. They are not being any more obnoxious or attention seeking than ANYONE ELSE on Facebook. this is FACEBOOK we are talking about here! Facebook! The website where its entire purpose and function is to advertise every aspect of your life. That is inherently obnoxious to a certain extent but you example is in no way excessive.
And it's just how selfishly you frame this. "Obnoxious" and "annoying" are entirely subjective labels, how the affect YOU personally, no objective and universal criticism. You just don't like what you see and that alone is a valid criticism that we can somehow all get behind. Really.
And what is your problem with anyone being "special"??!? You need to be a little more tolerant of the way people speak, it doesn't matter how someone spells "gurrrrll" or that they dare to mention it. It's IRRELEVANT! Show some maturity, tolerance and empathy. People want to be special. People don't want to be another disposable drone, conforming and buttoned down.
It IS special that a female has an OPEN interest in gaming because it IS a male dominated pastime. Not exclusively, and there is in fact remarkably close to a 50-50 split in actual genders of gamers but the thing is females are silent, they are not represented nor have a significant voice.
Where is the female Yahtzee? The female Jim Sterling? The female N'Gai Croale?
they're acting like everyone should be surprised that they play games.
This nonsense I cannot stand.
"acting like everyone should be surprised"
So convoluted. Such an unfounded, unprovable and irrelevant claim. They are NOT "acting" that way, how could they. And you know what? PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED when women show an interest in video games precisely for what a low profile they keep in online communities. As they are attacked on two fronts:
-lecherous jerks who hound them for affection then suddenly turn aggressive and resentful if attention is not reciprocated
-judgemental females who second-guess their most reasonable of statements
Just give them a break. Let people come as they are and just give them a chance.
Never EVER shame them in any way for mentioning their gender in relation to their pastime. That can only be interpreted negatively and dismissively. Even if they are blatantly feigning interest in gaming just to prostitute themselves, bite your tongue before you lash out with hurtful words. Your words drive women away.
This example is not counter-productive to sexism. Your negative labelling of women self-identifying as both females and gamers IS sexist!