Give an object a more appropriate name.

[Thomas Barnsley]

Read what I said earlier, "calling our star "sun" and our satellite "moon"". The sun is a star, we simply call our star sun, or sol, or sonne etc. So while I believe all opinions are valid, I think your reasoning is flawed because you are calling our star a sun a our satellite a moon, these are simply those objects names, not what they are. My name is Zac, but I am a human being.

I know Wikipedia isn't usually thought of being a sophisticated website, but these will help you understand that your belief that calling the sun and moon, "sun and moon" is bad because it insinuates that they are the only sun and moon is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

Can't be bothered clicking, here is the gist:
"The Moon is the only natural satellite of the Earth,[d][7] and the fifth largest satellite in the Solar System"
"The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System."

I see your point. You're saying the sun and moon are actually a star and satellite, and calling them the sun and moon isn't bad. Could I then assume you would feel the same way I do if we called the sun 'the star', and the moon 'the satellite'?

The one problem I have with that argument is that you basically take a broader term, in this case star and satellite, when in fact they mean the same thing. A sun is a star. At least that's how I've heard it used, though I suppose using it in the place of 'star' came from the name of our sun rather than the name of our sun coming from the term for a star... If that makes any sense. While I suppose this does support the sun, it doesn't work with the moon as I'm fairly sure there has never been another general name for the other natural satellites of the universe.

I still think luna would be a better term for the moon. Titan and Io and all those other moons get their own names, I don't see why ours should be so special (only calling them 'satellites' would also solve the problem, as we are no longer giving our one a preferential title (saying the moon is a satellite, and Titan is a satellite... Rather than the moon is a moon, and Titan is a moon), but most people already feel most comfortable with moon).

In conclusion to my fairly dodgy argument I would also like to point out that luna and sol are much cooler. In my opinion.

 

[Vegosiux]

They should have named cricket "****** Paddle"

I've never understood the hate cricket gets, from Americans in particular. It's exactly as boring as baseball, which may as well be a religion for some.

I've always thought the sport got its name from the chirping sounds you can hear so often while watching it. I kid, I kid! I haven't always thought that.

I'd say blindfolds should be called "vision blockers". And orchestra conductors should be called "those folks who wave their hands a whole damn lot". Then again that could go for professors too, sometimes. And ladders should be called "height extenders".

 

[bug_of_war]

I see your point. You're saying the sun and moon are actually a star and satellite, and calling them the sun and moon isn't bad. Could I then assume you would feel the same way I do if we called the sun 'the star', and the moon 'the satellite'?

The one problem I have with that argument is that you basically take a broader term, in this case star and satellite, when in fact they mean the same thing. A sun is a star. At least that's how I've heard it used, though I suppose using it in the place of 'star' came from the name of our sun rather than the name of our sun coming from the term for a star... If that makes any sense. While I suppose this does support the sun, it doesn't work with the moon as I'm fairly sure there has never been another general name for the other natural satellites of the universe.

I still think luna would be a better term for the moon. Titan and Io and all those other moons get their own names, I don't see why ours should be so special (only calling them 'satellites' would also solve the problem, as we are no longer giving our one a preferential title (saying the moon is a satellite, and Titan is a satellite... Rather than the moon is a moon, and Titan is a moon), but most people already feel most comfortable with moon).

In conclusion to my fairly dodgy argument I would also like to point out that luna and sol are much cooler. In my opinion.

But Sol and Luna are just the Latin translation of sun and star, so you are still essentially calling our systems star and our planets satellite sun and moon, only in a different language. So in actuality your reasoning still doesn't stand up because you are still using the words sun and moon only in a different language.

Yes, other planets moons have names, but these names are not just literal translations of moon, they are names scientist (I assume) chose to call them. Titan comes from the Greek mythology of the Titans, and Io I believe is a Greek god, so if we were to give our moon a new name then it would make more sense to call it Zeus or Odin or some form of ancient mythology deity names.

There are multiple natural satellites in the universe, however moon is the generic term that we have given them (natural satellite being the scientific name). Technically a car is an automobile/vehicle, yet you see many people still say "this is my car, that is their car", most people just say, "that planet has moon/s". I bet you that if you asked a random person on the street to name Saturn's or Jupiter's moons' they wouldn't have a clue what they're called. So in the end there is relatively no conclusion, presumption, or proof that suggests calling our star "sun" and satellite "moon" causes people to believe that the universe centres around Earth.

 

[Thomas Barnsley]

I see your point. You're saying the sun and moon are actually a star and satellite, and calling them the sun and moon isn't bad. Could I then assume you would feel the same way I do if we called the sun 'the star', and the moon 'the satellite'?

The one problem I have with that argument is that you basically take a broader term, in this case star and satellite, when in fact they mean the same thing. A sun is a star. At least that's how I've heard it used, though I suppose using it in the place of 'star' came from the name of our sun rather than the name of our sun coming from the term for a star... If that makes any sense. While I suppose this does support the sun, it doesn't work with the moon as I'm fairly sure there has never been another general name for the other natural satellites of the universe.

I still think luna would be a better term for the moon. Titan and Io and all those other moons get their own names, I don't see why ours should be so special (only calling them 'satellites' would also solve the problem, as we are no longer giving our one a preferential title (saying the moon is a satellite, and Titan is a satellite... Rather than the moon is a moon, and Titan is a moon), but most people already feel most comfortable with moon).

In conclusion to my fairly dodgy argument I would also like to point out that luna and sol are much cooler. In my opinion.

But Sol and Luna are just the Latin translation of sun and star, so you are still essentially calling our systems star and our planets satellite sun and moon, only in a different language. So in actuality your reasoning still doesn't stand up because you are still using the words sun and moon only in a different language.

Yes, other planets moons have names, but these names are not just literal translations of moon, they are names scientist (I assume) chose to call them. Titan comes from the Greek mythology of the Titans, and Io I believe is a Greek god, so if we were to give our moon a new name then it would make more sense to call it Zeus or Odin or some form of ancient mythology deity names.

There are multiple natural satellites in the universe, however moon is the generic term that we have given them (natural satellite being the scientific name). Technically a car is an automobile/vehicle, yet you see many people still say "this is my car, that is their car", most people just say, "that planet has moon/s". I bet you that if you asked a random person on the street to name Saturn's or Jupiter's moons' they wouldn't have a clue what they're called. So in the end there is relatively no conclusion, presumption, or proof that suggests calling our star "sun" and satellite "moon" causes people to believe that the universe centres around Earth.

I don't believe it causes people to think of themselves as the center of the universe. Like I think I said, it's more a matter of principal than being opposed to some strange form of humanity propaganda.

And I have admitted the sun is ok, since calling other stars 'suns' is technically wrong. I still think the moon should be luna though. I don't see how calling it the same thing but in another language is relevant to be honest; for a start Latin is a dead language, so it's not stealing or anything like that. The important thing is that it is not named after the general English term for natural satellites, which is the issue I have. A god name would be fine, I think luna fits better but anything other than 'the moon' would be an improvement.

 

[bug_of_war]

I don't believe it causes people to think of themselves as the center of the universe. Like I think I said, it's more a matter of principal than being opposed to some strange form of humanity propaganda.

And I have admitted the sun is ok, since calling other stars 'suns' is technically wrong. I still think the moon should be luna though. I don't see how calling it the same thing but in another language is relevant to be honest; for a start Latin is a dead language, so it's not stealing or anything like that. The important thing is that it is not named after the general English term for natural satellites, which is the issue I have. A god name would be fine, I think luna fits better but anything other than 'the moon' would be an improvement.

Wait...then why did you write this?

my main problem with 'the sun' and 'the moon' is just that it is still a bit in the mentality of 'the universe revolves around us', which is fine, but id prefer us to acknowledge that our sun and moon arent that special that they must be 'THE sun/moon'.

Besides that, I still don't get how calling the moon, "moon" fixes the problem. Luna means moon, so you are just saying moon in a different language. I understand that English is made up of many other languages that have roots in Latin, German, French etc. but I don't see how this applies to this particular situation. Even if Latin is a dead language, people are still able to learn it and it is used heavily in science as the universal scientific language, so why would they name the moon Luna when it just means moon. You are just calling our moon moon in a different language, and just because we speak English doesn't mean the rest of the world does. So yeah, sun and moon are fine names for our star and Earth's satellite, and if we were to name the moon something else it should not just be the Latin translation of moon.

 

[Thomas Barnsley]

I don't believe it causes people to think of themselves as the center of the universe. Like I think I said, it's more a matter of principal than being opposed to some strange form of humanity propaganda.

And I have admitted the sun is ok, since calling other stars 'suns' is technically wrong. I still think the moon should be luna though. I don't see how calling it the same thing but in another language is relevant to be honest; for a start Latin is a dead language, so it's not stealing or anything like that. The important thing is that it is not named after the general English term for natural satellites, which is the issue I have. A god name would be fine, I think luna fits better but anything other than 'the moon' would be an improvement.

Wait...then why did you write this?

my main problem with 'the sun' and 'the moon' is just that it is still a bit in the mentality of 'the universe revolves around us', which is fine, but id prefer us to acknowledge that our sun and moon arent that special that they must be 'THE sun/moon'.

Besides that, I still don't get how calling the moon, "moon" fixes the problem. Luna means moon, so you are just saying moon in a different language. I understand that English is made up of many other languages that have roots in Latin, German, French etc. but I don't see how this applies to this particular situation. Even if Latin is a dead language, people are still able to learn it and it is used heavily in science as the universal scientific language, so why would they name the moon Luna when it just means moon. You are just calling our moon moon in a different language, and just because we speak English doesn't mean the rest of the world does. So yeah, sun and moon are fine names for our star and Earth's satellite, and if we were to name the moon something else it should not just be the Latin translation of moon.

I still don't understand the issue with luna. I know luna is moon in a different language, you have said that many times, but I don't get what the problem with that is. You ask how it fixes the problem? It gets rid of the 'the'. That is the main point; like I said, I only choose luna because I think it fits, BECAUSE it is another name for moon. I wouldn't name it Bart or something like that, its completely unrelated. With luna, we also have the luna cycle. And I actually just found out Luna is a Roman goddess, who is basically the embodiment of the moon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_(goddess)
This isn't the reason I wanted it, but it does fit the god-names criteria of Titan and Io, so I thought I'd bring it forward anyway.

my main problem with 'the sun' and 'the moon' is just that it is still a bit in the mentality of 'the universe revolves around us', which is fine, but id prefer us to acknowledge that our sun and moon arent that special that they must be 'THE sun/moon'.

I suppose that is a bit of a contradiction. It did actually cross my mind that I might have done that, but I couldn't be bothered checking.
Before I said it was a "matter of principal" and not "propaganda", and here I said "mentality of 'the universe revolves around us'". Hmm... I might be able to rationalise that but it wouldn't make much sense and I can't be bothered. Congratulation. You are indeed a master debater.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

I would change Shuttlecock to something far less ridiculous. Like Whackywang.

The goal of Badminton is to smack the Whackywang with your racket over the net, whilst balancing upon one leg for style points.

 

[kickassfrog]

i get slapped if i do the handegg thing right ?..

Spoiler

It's not really egg shaped though. Isn't it more of an ovoid?

OT:

Spoiler

 

[bug_of_war]

I still don't understand the issue with luna. I know luna is moon in a different language, you have said that many times, but I don't get what the problem with that is. You ask how it fixes the problem? It gets rid of the 'the'. That is the main point; like I said, I only choose luna because I think it fits, BECAUSE it is another name for moon. I wouldn't name it Bart or something like that, its completely unrelated. With luna, we also have the luna cycle. And I actually just found out Luna is a Roman goddess, who is basically the embodiment of the moon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_(goddess)
This isn't the reason I wanted it, but it does fit the god-names criteria of Titan and Io, so I thought I'd bring it forward anyway.

The problem is that you are still technically calling it moon if the moon's name were to be called Luna. I was unaware of Luna being a Roman goddess, but the Romans did speak in Latin and as you just said, they believed that Luna was the embodiment of the moon. So calling the moon, "Luna" doesn't change the fact that you are still calling the moon moon, only (as I have stated many times) in a different language to English. Also, to come back to the "centre of the universe" argument, technically everywhere is the centre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsXsJtOQnTY

So technically it is not a wrong thought to have to believe that we are the centre of the universe, and given that the moon and sun are the most noticeable things in our sky it is not a bad the to refer to them as we do. The sun is the great big ball of fire in the sky we see everyday, and the moon is the single planetary like object that we see take on multiple shapes in the sky. It all comes back to basing something on its relation to the person. It's very similar to how people base their opinions. I am not saying your opinion on calling the moon something else would be better is wrong, it's not as opinions are subjective. What I am saying is that the reasoning for your opinion has some flaws, and am offering information to give you another view on the topic.

 

[Thomas Barnsley]

The problem is that you are still technically calling it moon if the moon's name were to be called Luna. I was unaware of Luna being a Roman goddess, but the Romans did speak in Latin and as you just said, they believed that Luna was the embodiment of the moon. So calling the moon, "Luna" doesn't change the fact that you are still calling the moon moon, only (as I have stated many times) in a different language to English. Also, to come back to the "centre of the universe" argument, technically everywhere is the centre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsXsJtOQnTY

So technically it is not a wrong thought to have to believe that we are the centre of the universe, and given that the moon and sun are the most noticeable things in our sky it is not a bad the to refer to them as we do. The sun is the great big ball of fire in the sky we see everyday, and the moon is the single planetary like object that we see take on multiple shapes in the sky. It all comes back to basing something on its relation to the person. It's very similar to how people base their opinions. I am not saying your opinion on calling the moon something else would be better is wrong, it's not as opinions are subjective. What I am saying is that the reasoning for your opinion has some flaws, and am offering information to give you another view on the topic.

I might just drop the language thing since I don't think we're ever going to agree.

When I say center of the universe, I don't really mean the physical center. It's more like being the most significant part of the universe. Even you believe this to an extent, by pointing out that our sun and moon are most noticeable and therefore should be given a grander title, which is a perfectly reasonable reason. I just don't see it that way; I see everything as having equal significance, and that will never change just because of where we view things from. It's a matter of perspective I suppose.

 

[bug_of_war]

I might just drop the language thing since I don't think we're ever going to agree.

When I say center of the universe, I don't really mean the physical center. It's more like being the most significant part of the universe. Even you believe this to an extent, by pointing out that our sun and moon are most noticeable and therefore should be given a grander title, which is a perfectly reasonable reason. I just don't see it that way; I see everything as having equal significance, and that will never change just because of where we view things from. It's a matter of perspective I suppose.

As far as we know right now, we are the most significant part of the universe. We have yet to find any evidence of life in the Milky Way galaxy, and whilst there are more planets other than Earth orbiting around their star in the goldilocks zone they are many thousands, if not millions of light years away from us, hence for all we know (given our current knowledge of how light travels) those planets may no longer even exist. So right now, in the time that we live in, with the knowledge that we have, it is not ignorant or wrong to assume that we are somewhat significant. Earth may literally be the only planet with life on it, hence giving our star and satellite the titles of, "The Sun" and, "The Moon" isn't really that inappropriate, because as you said, it's all about perspective.

 

[yeti585]

I would change Shuttlecock to something far less ridiculous. Like Whackywang.

The goal of Badminton is to smack the Whackywang with your racket over the net, whilst balancing upon one leg for style points.

I'll put my money on the name "skirted-flying-thingy".

Rename crabs to something much more twisted.

Spoiler: they shall rise

 

[Overusedname]

Chair-legs to 'toestubbers'.

Garage's will be known as 'Carholes'.

And a douche will be called [REDACTED]