Global Warming: Solutions

[Father2u]

Two words.

Barack Obama.

One word.

No.

 

[Hoxton]

Well first of all, the main reason of global warming is the sun itself.
Secondly why are you so sure that we weren't just going through another ice age up untill recently and the earth is going back to it's normal temprature?
think about it, have you ever seen a picture or a glyph of a greek/mayan/egeptyan person with heavy clothes on?
i konw i don't.

 

[Father2u]

Secondly why are you so sure that we weren't just going through another ice age up untill recently and the earth is going back to it's normal temprature?

I like that idea.

 

[Hoxton]

Secondly why are you so sure that we weren't just going through another ice age up untill recently and the earth is going back to it's normal temprature?

I like that idea.

well isn't it a possible theory?

 

[axia777]

The term "Global Warming" is out dated. Most real scientists use the term "Global Climate Change" as the "warming" is now understood to be a misnomer. Some places will get colder and some will get warmer/hotter. Some will get dryer and some will get so much wetter. One thing they all agree on is that all the ice around the world in undeniably melting at a speed that is out pacing all previous estimates.

And there are no "solutions". it is too late. The change is all ready happening and there is no way to stop it. We can try to slow it down I guess, but that would be akin to try to slow down a car that has all ready fallen off of a cliff. All we can do now is adapt.

The ice is not melting faster than all the "experts" said, it did in 2007, but this year we had a 30%, get that, 30% increase over ice at the same time last year. The "experts" were wrong, even they can be full of shit, even they can lie and manipulate to get more funding.

All of the scientific evidence points the contrary. Are you trying to say 95+% of the worlds scientists are all lying? Do you vote Republican?

You are just asking to get pwned with that...

one, i don't vote, a waste of my fucking time(a rigged system means no one wins).

two, how many scientists do you know, their is enormous debate about our effect on global warming. I find it funny how none of you are pulling your facts from articles, its coming out of your ass.

Do you know how many articles I have read on Slashdot, Arstechnia, and similar web sites explaining how bad the ice melt is getting?

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/04/17/greenland-lake-disappears-under-the-ice

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080917-polar-ice-loss-heralds-a-change-in-the-weather.html

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/05/artic_ice_melti.html

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/03/huge-chunk-of-a.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/05/09/iceberg.satellite/index.html

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/09/05/sea-levels-to-rise-more-than-predicted

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/05/14/ice-core-goes-deep-giving-us-800000-years-of-climate

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/04/17/greenland-lake-disappears-under-the-ice

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2007/02/23/7199

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2006/10/11/5575

Those are just a few. Do some research. Read some real scientific articles. Because the "debate" is over in the "real scientific" community. AS IN THOSE NOT FUNDED BY REPUBLICAN THINK TANKS OR MASSIVE OIL CORPORATIONS. But you ignorance is willful, just like the rest of people who do not think that human kind not is a major factor in the process of current global climate change. Sure, it may not be "all" human kinds fault. There may be dozens of contributing factors. But to completely exonerate humans from the past two centuries(since the Industrial Revolution) is just foolish as it is ignorant.

Also, if you don't vote you change nothing. So expect more of the same. You also have no right to ***** if you don't vote.

Two words.

Barack Obama.

One word.

No.

Who would you vote for? Ron Paul? Who never even had a chance of winning? Or would you be like the other sheep and vote Republican? As if the Republicans, who have had a majority of the power in this nation for the past eight years, have not done enough damage?

I also object to America, on the premise that it seems to breed a species of people who delude themselves into thinking that rules do not apply to them (i.e you may not torture arbitrary people, you may not carpet-bomb small villages, you may not build crap-bucket cars with such gobshite emissions standards that the CHINESE won't accept them, you may not make fun of the Queen, you may not pretend the Great Depression didn't happen etc etc).

Thankfully, most of this breed of American doesn't go abroad that often, so I normally meet the nicer breed of American (i.e the smart ones) when I meet a yank. So I'm not considering wiping you from the face of the planet. Yet.

And Hunde Des Krieg is right- nature is a continuously expanding, evolving phenomenon. Extinction in itself is not a bad thing- it's simply the wastage of species that are unfit for survival in the environment. And the environment itself is going to change- though climactic shifts are generally fairly slow-moving, it could be just that we've not noticed this shit until now. It is still unproven!!!


However, one must remember that the biodiversity of an environment is representative of that environment's stability. So massed extinction is not a good 'un. As for the rest: Michael Crichton is right when he says: 'We can't destroy the planet... we can only destroy ourselves.'

We Liberally minded Americans cannot stand these Neo-Conservative/Right Wing/Republican people either.

I have a funny story about those kind of people. I was in France in 1994. While in Paris I was sitting smoking a clove enjoying my morning of Parisian cuisine. When who come along? A huge family of fat red faced, loud, rude Americans who were obviously from the Midwest or some such place. They were demanding and crude. I was so severely embarrassed I promptly put on my hat and left. I did not want to associated with these fools in the eyes of any French natives. It was terrible. We have to live with people like that in out country every damn day.

I also wholly agree with the following statement you posted: Michael Crichton is right when he says: "We can't destroy the planet... we can only destroy ourselves."

But I reserve the right to make fun your The Queen, our own President, and just about any other political figure. If Obama makes a fool of himself, which he has done so as of yet, I will make fun of him too. I am like South Park, I will make fun of anyone equally.

 

[goodman528]

Stop building with concrete, use lego blocks instead. And yes, I am serious. This is the next big civil engineering innovation that will change the world.

 

[PsykoDragon]

The misunderstanding probably happened the first time they were researching the effects of pollution on earth. They probably saw a correlation (Which means a POSSIBLE relation in the changes of values between X & Y) between pollution & the ozone layer/polar ice cap. But if they did, then it was probably seen on statistics that were covering relatively short time-frames.

A correlation doesn't mean something is related. It just means that something SEEMS to be related.

 

[Jazzyluv]

Do you know how many articles I have read on Slashdot, Arstechnia, and similar web sites explaining how bad the ice melt is getting?

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/04/17/greenland-lake-disappears-under-the-ice

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080917-polar-ice-loss-heralds-a-change-in-the-weather.html

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/05/artic_ice_melti.html

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/03/huge-chunk-of-a.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/05/09/iceberg.satellite/index.html

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/09/05/sea-levels-to-rise-more-than-predicted

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/05/14/ice-core-goes-deep-giving-us-800000-years-of-climate

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/04/17/greenland-lake-disappears-under-the-ice

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2007/02/23/7199

http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2006/10/11/5575


Lets go by this list one by one

1. http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/04/17/greenland-lake-disappears-under-the-ice

happens all the fucking time

2.http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080917-polar-ice-loss-heralds-a-change-in-the-weather.html

The record minimum set in 2007 caught many by surprise, but this year's observations are equally disconcerting. Experts expected the winter of 2007-2008 to bolster the sea ice and hold the 2008 minimum well above the record low. Instead, the 4.52 million square kilometers of ice recorded on September 12, 2008 was just 10 percent shy of the record minimum. These numbers make for good press, experts say, but the real focus should be on the overall trend towards ice-free summers in the Arctic.


Again, changes focus of the real issue, if global warming was a constant thing, then why do we have more ice this year, old article also.

3. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/05/artic_ice_melti.html

stop using old articles this is from a month ago, the one i used where we had a 30 percent increase was from last week.

4.http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/03/huge-chunk-of-a.html

not an issue, happens all the time, it was just a big one this time

5.http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/05/09/iceberg.satellite/index.html

talks about the same thing as above, waste of my time


6.http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/09/05/sea-levels-to-rise-more-than-predicted

old article, proven wrong later in the year with the huge amount of ice increase

7.http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2008/05/14/ice-core-goes-deep-giving-us-800000-years-of-climate

lol, i like this article, it supports me, READ IT.

The data reinforce the view that the ultimate sources of recent climate variability are the eccentricities in our planet's orbit, which cause subtle changes in the amount of sunlight reaching the earth.

Im not even gonna waste my time on the last two, old as fuck articles....


OK, you just got owned, actually read the articles you post...

 

[Zeke109]

you have a lotta articles.

 

[The Lyre]

Jazzyluv - I believe you were looking for the 'quote' function - at the moment, it is hard to distinguish what is your point and what you are merely quoting.

As for a solution to Global Warming?

I call it; Colonizing Mars.

 

[Lukeje]

Stop building with concrete, use lego blocks instead. And yes, I am serious. This is the next big civil engineering innovation that will change the world.

So instead of using readily available materials to make concrete, you use OIL to make plastic bricks?

 

[goodman528]

Stop building with concrete, use lego blocks instead. And yes, I am serious. This is the next big civil engineering innovation that will change the world.

So instead of using readily available materials to make concrete, you use OIL to make plastic bricks?

Let me clarify. Making concrete creates more than 10% of the world's green house production. So instead of making structures out of new concrete each time, we should modulise and standardise our buildings, like LEGO block. So we can re-use building materials to build much cheaper (i.e. actually affordable) houses, and the entire constraction industry will be based on recycling.

I know you are thinking: all the communist countries like USSR, China, E.Germany, etc did this to build those ugly "Stalinist blocks" (Concrete Slab construction). However, with modern western technology, it is entirely possible to make quite innovative and pretty (and still functional) structures out of a standardised set of re-usable blocks.

 

[Lukeje]

Stop building with concrete, use lego blocks instead. And yes, I am serious. This is the next big civil engineering innovation that will change the world.

So instead of using readily available materials to make concrete, you use OIL to make plastic bricks?

Let me clarify. Making concrete creates more than 10% of the world's green house production. So instead of making structures out of new concrete each time, we should modulise and standardise our buildings, like LEGO block. So we can re-use building materials to build much cheaper (i.e. actually affordable) houses, and the entire constraction industry will be based on recycling.

I know you are thinking: all the communist countries like USSR, China, E.Germany, etc did this to build those ugly "Stalinist blocks" (Concrete Slab construction). However, with modern western technology, it is entirely possible to make quite innovative and pretty (and still functional) structures out of a standardised set of re-usable blocks.

Huh... that actually makes some sense... (but what would you make the bricks out of?)

 

[goodman528]

Do you know how many articles I have read on Slashdot, Arstechnia, and similar web sites explaining how bad the ice melt is getting?
...
[very long list of articles. But applaudable for actually putting a short sentence to explain what each is about]
...
OK, you just got owned, actually read the articles you post...

The (real or perceived) discussion on whether there is Global warming or not, and whether we are causing it or not, and whether it's scientists or green monkeys doing the debating, etc, is entirely irrelevant. Discussion implies opinions, Global warming is a fact. Any 3 year old kid knows this:

If you put something under the sun, it heats up. It doesn't matter what that thing is, whether it's your car, you neighbour's dog, or carbon dioxide. If you put 1 dog under the sun, then you have 1 hot dog; if you put 2 dogs under the sun, then you have 2 hot dogs; if you put 3 dogs under the sun, then you have 3 hot dogs... ... So, if you put 1 CO2 under the sun, then you 1 hot CO2, if you put 2 CO2 under the sun, you have 2 hot CO2 ... ... Is that really so difficult to understand that you need to read "scientific articles" from the internet with lots of stats and figures and generally dodgey conclusions?

 

[innobilis]

I see a simple solution to global warming all we have to do is blow up a huge volcano. Tons of ash + atmosphere = problem solved

 

[goodman528]

Stop building with concrete, use lego blocks instead. And yes, I am serious. This is the next big civil engineering innovation that will change the world.

So instead of using readily available materials to make concrete, you use OIL to make plastic bricks?

Let me clarify. Making concrete creates more than 10% of the world's green house production. So instead of making structures out of new concrete each time, we should modulise and standardise our buildings, like LEGO block. So we can re-use building materials to build much cheaper (i.e. actually affordable) houses, and the entire constraction industry will be based on recycling.

I know you are thinking: all the communist countries like USSR, China, E.Germany, etc did this to build those ugly "Stalinist blocks" (Concrete Slab construction). However, with modern western technology, it is entirely possible to make quite innovative and pretty (and still functional) structures out of a standardised set of re-usable blocks.

Huh... that actually makes some sense... (but what would you make the bricks out of?)

It's not bricks, it's concrete slabs. The key idea to you can't really take a brick house apart brick by brick, then clean all the surfaces of the bricks, then re-use that; it's way too time consuming, and uneconomical, (and plain stupid). Instead if you have big concrete slabs (say 20 tons per slab) of difference shapes and sizes, each costing you a $20k; then you used destructable joining technology, so you can easily put them together and take them apart (Think IKEA). Then it would make sense to re-use that stuff. Concrete making generates a lot of heat, newly built bridges and big things like that takes weeks to cool down. (look up the concrete pouring of Hoover dam)

 

[Spinozaad]

Am I allowed to say that we can't stop global warming, since it is quite a natural (taken the earth's age and all of that jazz) occurrence? Or will the Global Warming Police arrest me?

I'm not too worried about it yet, really. I'm sure it happens, but then again... Twenty years ago scientists proved we'd be heading for a new Ice Age and their findings were completely correct. Now we're heading for a warmer climate. What's wisdom?

Also, the Romans had vineyards in England. Try growing grapes there now (without a greenhouse, mind you)...

I'm in 'I'm not scared yet, I'm not going to be scared'-camp.