Solution: Don't allow people who don't know anything about global warming share their opinions.nmmoore13 post=18.73528.798440 said:
Global Warming: Solutions
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Uh... that's not what I said. You want me to forget my GCSE level geography, physics, biology, and chemistry?goodman528 post=18.73528.828908 said:
No, what I said was that we are not making CO2. I know how temperature works, I know how the sun works, what I'm saying is that we are only putting back what was there in the first place.
All this carbon existed in some form or another anyway however many thousands of years ago it was. This carbon has for the most part remained, whether it be in the atmosphere, life, or the copious amounts of water.
Humans are responsible, but only in the sense they are putting back what was taken out by natural processes.
Please don't be so condescending next time. Neither to me or the others, ok?
its sort of pointless for us to be arguing over the science of this since i doubt anyone here, myself included, is actually qualified. if you dont believe that global warming is man-made than you are saying that the foremost experts in the field are wrong, and that either you or the scattered articles that you find are right. the fact is that the scientific world as a whole believes that global warming is man-made.
Right, take another look at the box, the fossil fuels coming out of the ground is also being put into the box.Danny Ocean post=18.73528.829089 said:
Having read your new post, I now understand that you do agree humans are causing global warming. So I'm sorry for misunderstanding you the first time, which led to the condescending bit (thanks for pointing that out). But for people who have obviously never thought about this, then think it's a good idea to repeat something that's incorrect, it's pretty difficult to explain a very simple line of thought without sounding condescending. I'll try harder in the future, but no promises.
The only thing to do is adjust to the changing climate. There is nothing anyone can really do to reverse or alter the climate of the earth. All these experiments and policies and plans people are wasting millions of dollars on will ultimately fail. The earth's climate is constantly changing and has been changing ever since the Earth was first here. People will just have to migrate to places on the earth that are more hospitable for them if the climate where they are living becomes too hard to deal with. Mankind has done it before back when "transportation" meant a domesticated animal you could ride or hook a cart up to. We can certainly do it again. According to anthropologists, the "Native Americans" in the continental U.S. migrated to where they are now from Asia to escape the coldest areas of the past ice ages. With all the tools and technology at our disposal now, we ought to be even better at adapting to the climate than they were.
Too many modern day people have gotten too soft and lazy to deal with truly difficult times. If the cozy climates where most people currently live shift to other parts of the earth, we'll have to get over that and deal with it if we want to survive.
Too many modern day people have gotten too soft and lazy to deal with truly difficult times. If the cozy climates where most people currently live shift to other parts of the earth, we'll have to get over that and deal with it if we want to survive.
I think you lost on this one the moment you mentioned the word "Scientists", if all you can do is hide behind a bunch of other people with impressive titles (who may or may not exist), instead of justifying the reasons for your views, or the reasons why my views are flawed. Then you have to question yourself, why do you believe what you believe? Just because someone else told you so?Kukul post=18.73528.829504 said:
I'm not repeating anyone else's views, I have never heard of Ludwig Von Mises, (unless he has something to do with the Von Mises failure criteria for structures).
You live in a country which suffered a lot from soviet oppression? Well, I've lived in China for a large part of my life, and if I go back a few generations most of my family were killed in very brutal ways by the communist party. My old neighbour went to a labour camp, and survived, he's now mentally insane. I've seen all the photos of students who've been shot in '89, and as a student, I really believe I would've been one of them if I was born 20 years earlier. How much do you know about the ideal of communism? I suspect not a lot, you are probably just blindly following the majority opinion of hating alll things communist, I.E. someone else's opinion.
And going back to the topic, my hometown is a major coal producer in China, as a result, the sky is literally grey all of the time. The air is so polluted with coal dust, you can rub it off your face every time you walk for a few minutes outside, and your nostrils are black all of the time. The river that used to run through it has totally dried up, so the local government redirected another water source through the town to boost image of the town. Corruption is the rule, not the exception, to get anything done you need many bribes. Officials often beat up small stall owners when they don't pay up. Any education at all cost money, compulsary education means you have to pay that money (instead of free education). Most schools are rubbish, and offer no real chance of going to a decent university; The good schools cost a small fortune to get into, the sort of money 90% of the people don't have. I cringe at the thought China is meeting its ever increasing energy demand with coal, I can smell still the coal dust in my nose. And you suffered a lot under communism?
All of this is a moot point. The climate is shifting at a far faster pace then nature ever intended it too. But what ever, ignore the fact that most of the credible scientists of the world all agree that global climate change is happening t an ever increasing rate. You must be more of a genius then all of them combined. Listen to the Right Wing Spew machine yammer on and on about how we have NOTHING to do with it all. It is ok, because it will all happen if you believe it or not.raemiel post=18.73528.822664 said:
They will not look, because their ignorance is willful.Jerious1154 post=18.73528.829634 said:
yes stop talking about it, in fact stop breathing it makes CO2 and according to al gore(who charges 50k for a poverty speech, has a private jet, and whose home uses more electricty in a month than the average americans dose in a year)thats bad for the enviroment, even though plants take it and use it to make oxygen, global warming isnt real get over it we just had the coldest winter in years the ice shelf is bigger than ever recorded and us michiganders are still freezeing our asses off....Zeke109 post=18.73528.798361 said:
Ha, I love how I've only posted one time and yet I've been getting quoted the most. Yay for inflammatory comments with no substance!
In all seriousness, the burden of truth is on the believers to prove that man contributes significantly to global warming. Lets stop quoting random scientists, sometimes, the majority is not always correct. Especially when global warming has been forced out of the field of science and stuck into the political spotlight.
Earth has underwent many climate shifts over time, from highs to lows. Our current "spike" is actually far lower than most spikes seen over the millenia.
In all seriousness, the burden of truth is on the believers to prove that man contributes significantly to global warming. Lets stop quoting random scientists, sometimes, the majority is not always correct. Especially when global warming has been forced out of the field of science and stuck into the political spotlight.
Earth has underwent many climate shifts over time, from highs to lows. Our current "spike" is actually far lower than most spikes seen over the millenia.
lol another quote for younmmoore13 post=18.73528.829672 said:
if you look at the report i linked to, i didnt quote random scientists, i quoted a report compiling the results of pretty much ALL scientists that concludes that global warming is man made. this is as definitive as it gets.
I'm sorry, but - "The climate is shifting at a far faster pace then nature ever intended it too." Really? Besides mangling grammar, nature has no intent. If you can't acknowledge G-d, then at least don't attribute god-like cognizance and planning to a randomly occurring, randomly evolving system. And if you cannot manage even that much consistency, then at least refrain from insulting the intelligence of others whilst displaying your own lack thereof. The unintentional irony is far too heavy for a gaming site.axia777 post=18.73528.829648 said:
To be fair, China's suffering under Communism is inflicted by China. You had a revolution; that's the side most Chinese picked. Poland's suffering under Communism was inflicted from without. First the German National Socialists came in with guns and killed a quarter of the people, then the Soviet Socialists came in and killed another quarter. China was plundered for the benefit of the Chinese; Poland was plundered for the benefit of Russia. Not quite the same thing.goodman528 post=18.73528.829625 said:
You know you could make an effort to be less abusive and actually attack people's points instead of attacking your perception of the person. If you must know I don't listen to any 'Right Wing Spew machine', my studies over the last three years have informed my view on the climate change question as they are inextricably tied together.axia777 post=18.73528.829648 said:
Additionally, how is the data and concept of palaeoclimate a moot point? Could you provide some data or evidence that the climate is changing at a faster pace then nature ever intended? Exactly what speed is climate change meant to occur at? (as apparently determined by nature which one could argue is the process of this climate change)
Also, stating 'most of the credible scientists of the world' support the view that climate change is occuring is not supporting to your argument. If they support the view that climate change is occuring it does not follow that they think it is anything other then a natural process. Who are these 'credible scientists' anyway? In my experience all scientists I have talked to (from a variety of areas) support the natural process argument.
Any evidence to support your points would be useful. Otherwise your argument, when combined with your assumption that I blindly follow the right-wing, seems to just come off as you having a misinformed, evidence-lacking, and angry perspective.
I don't listen to Bush, I reject Christianity and I watch the right-wing media as much as the left-wing media.goodman528 post=18.73528.828908 said:
Which makes me more skeptic towards global warming, or any political issue, than average. You should try it some times, in stead of blindly following the Global Warming Is Superserial-camp.