Global Warming

[JWAN]

Global warming,global cooling,whatever. It's still good reason for people to get moving and invent eco-friendly technologies.

This. Sometimes all it takes is a swift kick in the pants to get people to start acting reasonable.

by swift kick you mean have a trillion dollars stolen from us by a bunch of hippies to pass onto failed programs and companies only to realize too late (the public) that all that money was wasted except for the large amounts of funding given to their political constitutants so they would have enough campaign funds in the future, right?

If AL Gore believed it he would shut down his private stretch limos and his jets and his 20 homes that use 30 times more energy a week than the average American burns up in a month.
by the way there aren't any hummers on Mars

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

 

[Dragnridr3]

We should not be freaking out. We should not belive Al Gore's replacement for manbearpig. We should look for new fuel, especially nuclear, not to save the enviornment like the hippies, but to lessen the Arabian nations hold on the US Economy.

 

[Low Key]

The weather is always changing:

weather =/= climate. But yes, it is changing. The problem is, have we magnified, affected or somehow disrupted this change with our massive use of fossil fuels, reckless abandon with which we pollute the atmosphere with a variety of gases etc.

The earth will stick around long after we nuke ourselves into oblivion.

Let's be honest here. We don't give a buffalo's arse about if rats, cockroaches and bacteria can survive. We care about civilization, we care about our cities, we care about our families and friends, we are worried of climate change because of how it will affect our lives.

Weather is directly affected by climate.

The website where I found the picture can explain it far better than I can.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/

It's obvious this will go on forever. Cleaner, more efficent living is healthier, and I'm all for it, but it's not going to stop this planet from doing what it wants to do. If it wants and ice age, there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. I respect your opinion, but that's how I feel.

 

[Zacharine]

It's obvious this will go on forever. ... I respect your opinion, but that's how I feel.

Very well then, perhaps it's best that we stop this here. I understand where you are coming from and what you are basing your statements on, but I see things a bit differently.

I'm fine with that.

 

[bob-2000]

I believe that global warming is quite real. If it was some massive crazy conspiracy, it sure as hell would of come out by now.

 

[Anomynous 167]

Okay look. Volcanoes produce a lot of carbon, this is true. Its part of the reason our planet has an atmosphere. The actual human-caused part of carbon emissions is about 2% of global emissions from all sources. The thing is, its that extra 2% that is causing problems.

So for all of you that think volcanoes are a reason to stop worrying about the environment? Do some fucking research.

I honestly think its a bit sickening when people write off environmental issues because its not convenient to them. I'm not saying you necessarily are, but a lot of people just write them off so they don't have to worry about the environment and, to me, that's disgusting.

No
We write off enviromental issues because that issue is a load of bullshit.
THE EARTH HAS BEEN COOLING FOR 11 YEARS AND YOU STILL THINK IT'S GETTING WARMER?

Question
What is the hottest year on record?
Say 1998 and you have proven to fall for the scam.
Say 1934 and you have done your research.

On a side note, I just read all the other 24 posts. And I now feal redundant.

http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610?blend=1&ob=4#play/uploads/5/y15UGhhRd6M

That's clear bullshit.
ASK ME THIS
WHO IS NASA FUNDED BY?
The Goverment.
What do Goverments do best?
FUCK THINGS UP!

THE FOUNDER OF THE WEATHER CHANNEL IS A SKEPTIC!
So I think he should be more reliable than some idiot that got lead paint poisoning from green paint.

 

[lwm3398]

Anyone else think it's made up?
I feel like Gore just wanted attention and so he told us our atmosphere is dissolving
turns out our own planet is doing more to damage the ozone: a volcano near Alaska is producing more carbon than the whole state of new york could put out in 50 years
and by the way polar bears aren't stupid or helpless
they CAN swim and don't wait til they're stuck on some tiny ass iceberg in the middle of the ocean
and one more thing
antarctic ice sheet is the largest it's ever been
so is this actually a problem?
I'm all for the environment and being green
but should we really be freaking out?

the fucking REASON they're on the goddamned ice berg is because they migrate south in summer,and summer is hot, so the ice bergs melt slightly, and the polar bears ride the ice flows to where they migrate. make sense?

 

[lwm3398]

by the way, the earth is cooling, we are going into a mini fucking ice age in about five years so no,it is not warming.

 

[DrDeath3191]

Climate change is absolutely real.
Is it our fault? Absolutely not. The Earth goes through periodic climate change; it's completely natural. We just need to leave it be.

 

[lwm3398]

oh,and by the way, humans count for about one millionth-of-a-billionth of the polution on earth. the rest is,yes,my friends,MOTHER. FUCKING. NATURE! volcanos and other things do much more in a year than humans. so yeah, we needn't really worry. the ice bergs have been melting and re-forming for the history of the world. hot periods,cold periods,hot periods,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera. and,wouldn't you know, the world didn't end because of them.

 

[historybuff]

Anyone else think it's made up?
I feel like Gore just wanted attention and so he told us our atmosphere is dissolving
turns out our own planet is doing more to damage the ozone: a volcano near Alaska is producing more carbon than the whole state of new york could put out in 50 years
and by the way polar bears aren't stupid or helpless
they CAN swim and don't wait til they're stuck on some tiny ass iceberg in the middle of the ocean
and one more thing
antarctic ice sheet is the largest it's ever been
so is this actually a problem?
I'm all for the environment and being green
but should we really be freaking out?

Obviously, it's real. I thought that kind of went without saying unless you were a closed-minded, uptight Republican.

But as far as damage being done that quickly--probably not.

 

[Zersy]

It's more about the fuel crysis then the actual global tempreture rise

 

[Anomynous 167]

Global Warming
That's a good song. But on topic, I think it's bullshit. Our summer has been so on and off so far, it's messed. I know it effects people towards the equator more than us in the north, but still, I would expect that we get a bit of heat

It's called "Global Warming" not "Andrat's Neighborhood Warming"

IF IT'S GLOBAL WARMING
Then it should also effect Andrat's neighbour hood.
IDIOT

Climate change isn't up for debate, it is supported by the majority of data. While we aren't 'causing it' we are exacerbating the natural heating and cooling cycles. Denying climate change is basically admitting you have no place in a scientific world and could barely pass a high school science course.

WE ARE NOT DENIING THE EXISTANCE CLIMATE CHANGE!
WE ARE DENIING THE THEORY ANPHROPIC GLOBAL WARMING!
Besides.
The climate changes 4 times a year.

Haven't cared enough since I don't believe in it. I think that we haven't solved the riddle yet. We've just thrown out hundreds of theories, with only one that's correct. Or maybe none of them at all, for that matter.

1) Theory: In science that word does not work the way you?re using it. The theory of X is something that has stood up to repeated testing and has shown an ability to model what is happening and usually can be used to make predictions on future data.

2) There will be many many elements causing anything, since the world is amazingly complex ? however the models being used for research into climate change try to take that into account and still a high 99 percent of climatologists think that the climate change difference from previous cooling/heating cycles is caused by man. They may be debating the details underneath that umbrella but the consensus is pretty clear.

Chris H

No
There called Bullshitoligist.
Besides, how do you know that's what they actually think?
Have you read there mind?
Maybe you asked them personally.
If you did ask them, then how did you know that they aren't idiots?
Also remember.
What one gains in inteligence, they lose in common scense.

ON ANOTHER HAND
A HIGH 1 PERCENT OF CLIMATOLOGIST think that it's a scam.
Remember.
SCIENCE ISN'T A DEMOCRASY

Okay, so I'm wrong.

BUT despite everything you copied and pasted, if you multiply those 130-230 teragrams of CO2 by the billions of years this planet has existed, it far outweighs what humans have produced since the industrial revolution 150 years ago. And that doesn't included the dirt kicked up by meteors hitting the surface of the planet, or the ash from the numerous wild fires that naturally occur every year.

The problem is, the climate change wasn't as radical millions of years ago.... The change is happening now[/quote]
It was that radical.
In fact.
The start of the ice ages were alot more radical then the warming we are having now.
You know what?
I agree with you...
The earth is warming...
By NEGATIVE 2 degrees centergrate.
Then again... Negative 2 degreas warmer is also 2 degreas colder.

Might I ask what you think the reason is that Al Gore made up global warming? Why the UN creating an intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and why all the world leaders just met for a big climate change conference to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions? What would be the purpose of doing all this if it's not true? Do you really think that all the world leaders have been brainwashed by Al Gore into thinking that global warming is true, when in fact it's a fabrication?

1. Al Gore didn't make up global warming. He picked it up and ran.
2. Not all the world leaders were at the IPCC. There was the leader of the CZECH republic.
3. The purpose would be to gain power/money or to destroy the western world. Another reason is that there is no purpose, as they sincearly believe it's true and thus destroy thier own economies.
4. No. The leader of the Czech republic wasn't brainwashed.
4.5. You really over estimate the world leaders, they are corrupt, idiots, dick heads or all the above.

 

[MrTrivia]

Global warming,global cooling,whatever. It's still good reason for people to get moving and invent eco-friendly technologies.

Not if it bankrupts entire countries! All this talk of climate change is proof of how arrogant "Progressive" fascists are; What gives anyone the right to claim that we should suspend a natural cycle that predates our own civilization?

 

[Anomynous 167]

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Okay, so I'm wrong.

BUT despite everything you copied and pasted, if you multiply those 130-230 teragrams of CO2 by the billions of years this planet has existed, it far outweighs what humans have produced since the industrial revolution 150 years ago. And that doesn't included the dirt kicked up by meteors hitting the surface of the planet, or the ash from the numerous wild fires that naturally occur every year.

The problem is, the climate change wasn't as radical millions of years ago.... The change is happening now

So what if it's happening now?
It could happen now.
It could happen next weak
It could happen four years ago.
Remember... The only reason the climate is changing is Murphy's law. "Anything that CAN go wrong WILL go wrong"
So the reason it's changing is.. to quote Maple Story "Because we can, and it's free"

weather =/= climate. But yes, it is changing. The problem is, have we magnified, affected or somehow disrupted this change with our massive use of fossil fuels, reckless abandon with which we pollute the atmosphere with a variety of gases etc.

Please oh bright one...
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER AND CLIMATE?

DONT JUST GIVE ME THE BULL SHIT THAT THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS
Explain the difference between the concepts.

 

[wgreer25]

Global warming isn't BS.

We know Earth has cooler periods and warmer periods.

What is unknown at this time is what effect did us humans have to it.

Personally, I think we humans have accelerated it and using more wind- and solar energy instead of biofuels (man that was a bad idea), wood and fossil fuels would be a really good idea. Nuclear energy is necessary at the moment but perhaps in 40 to 50 years we could start to get rid of it as well.

The trick is not to be fooled, and to know what really drives anything political... money. Yes, you hit the nail on the head with the statement of "how much effect do humans have". It is scientifically proven that all planets have a natural heating and cooling cycle. The last global warming was in the 1800's (weren't any cars or factories back then).

I am all for a cleaner earth. We are a wasteful society and need to focus on that. We DO NOT need to be focusing on the US however. We need to be looking at countries like China whose carbon footprint is many times higher that the US.

But too many politicans use Global warming as a scapegoat to push political agendas to make money. The most recent example is with General Electric and how they got Obama elected. GE owns NBC and MSNBC by the way. They now stand to earn BILLIONS from Obama's cap and trade deal. (and by the way, 95% of all GE manufacturing is done in China) A quote below..

"Under the Obama plan, the ?cap and trade? credits will be issued to all producers of energy. GE is the largest manufacturer of wind turbines as well as other electical generation turbines used in coal, gas, atomic, and hydroelectic electricity generation facilities. With the Obama plan, those cap and trade credits would be issued by the Federal Government, and ultimately, traded just like any stock or bond. GE has apparently, created and entire unit with the Corporation that would deal in the Secondary Market trading these credits. First, they are going to take in billions of dollars from government contracts in wind energy. Second, they perhaps are going to have exclusive control over the secondary market for these cap and trade credits. That, in effect, puts GE in the catbirds seat for all energy produced in this nation as ALL ?carbon emission? energy sourced are going to be subject to these carbon schemes. This includes ANY oil related, natural gas related, gasoline, diesel, and any other manufacturer that uses any petro-based component. That means every single plastic container, every car, every chemical fertilizer, every pesticide, every single thing you use will be subject to this scheme as it too, is made from a carbon based material."

Global warming is real, but it may already be over. Should we reduce our waste, yes. Is the US a major player in polution globally, no. Is Global Warming a red hering to push political agendas and make fat cats fatter... yes.

 

[Zacharine]

Please oh bright one...
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER AND CLIMATE?

DONT JUST GIVE ME THE BULL SHIT THAT THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS
Explain the difference between the concepts.

Weather: The state of the atmosphere at a particular time and place, usually in limited timescale. Weather is described in terms of variable conditions such as temperature, humidity, wind velocity, precipitation, and barometric pressure. Weather on Earth occurs primarily in the troposphere, or lower atmosphere, and is driven by energy from the Sun and the rotation of the Earth. The average weather conditions of a region over long periods of time are used to define a region's climate.

Climate: The general or average weather conditions of a certain region, including temperature, rainfall, and wind over long periods of time. Sometimes used without geographical restraints to describe long-term conditions on global scale and their variability. On Earth, local climate is most affected by latitude, the tilt of the Earth's axis, the movements of the Earth's wind belts, the difference in temperatures of land and sea, and topography. Human activity, especially relating to actions relating to the depletion of the ozone layer, is also an important factor.

Summary: Weather is the condition of the atmosphere on short term, local scale. Climate is the global or local long-term average condition of the atmosphere.

 

[Obama Osama Llama Diorama]

assuming I'm close-minded simply because I'm a conservative is close-minded in itself
Many prominent scientists still disagree with the theory of global warming or even the fact that it's a negative effect
In a recent poll, 41% of Americans say they believe it is real, but still 21% said they didn't. The majority opinion isn't necessarily the right or only opinion

 

[Obama Osama Llama Diorama]

who's a facist?

 

[Obama Osama Llama Diorama]

I believe that global warming is quite real. If it was some massive crazy conspiracy, it sure as hell would of come out by now.

Oh there's no doubt that it's no conspiracy. However, whether it is caused by human impact or natural cycles, it is most undoubtedly overhyped. And anything that makes large numbers of people panic/worry will be brought to the forefront of world issues. Mercury in food, obesity, Chinese toys: less threatening than global warming, but worrisome enough to be brought to national attention.