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Anonymous Overlord

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I know people that refuse to play legend of Zelda Windwaker, which is a real shame because its one of the most innovative and fun Zelda games. their reason for the self imposed boycott is its cell shaded art style. they say they don't like the graphics. I don't really understand a games graphics are the general term for the over all aesthetic of the game. As technology gets better we will see more and more things like Windwaker, where the game designers have gone for a dedicated art style rather than an attempt at realism. You may ask why but you probably already know the answer. if your going to spend hours staring at a screen then why not look at something interesting, we look at real things all the time.

It seems that allot of gamers think they know allot more about games than they think they do. for instance just using the term "this games graphics suck" shows a great measure of arrogance. Allow me to do my best to clarify, graphics are the collection of visual elements in in a game. everything from image resolution (clarity), animations, to frame rate, to artistic style falls under graphics. Most of the people i know who complained about the lack lust graphics in Windwaker did so because of the cell shaded art style, you cant really argue against the crisp images and fluid frame rate.

In another example I got Elder Scrolls 4; Oblivion when it came out and i still play it often, however my biggest complaint with the game is its attempt at realism. the environments are all hi definition creations to be marveled at while the inhabitants of those environments appear almost out of place. thats not entirely true the fit and look good in the environment when their dead. the animation is ridged and difficult to believe. This breaks the realism, and makes the living inhabitants of Cyrodiil seem out of place and alien.

so the next time you go to complain about a games graphics take a moment to figure out for yourself what exactly strikes you as unappealing.
 

MiracleOfSound

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Anonymous Overlord said:
I dind't mind the graphics in WW.

It was the sailing sections that made me want to throw the disc into the nearest large body of water.
 

spikeyjoey

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I feel the need to quote something i just posted in another thread for this:

I tried to get into Morrowind but couldnt keep at it.. walking speed felt waay too slow, and, I know I know, graphics aren't as important as gameplay, but because everything is so dreary, exploring felt dull... (Take far cry 2 for instance- the long treks when you are stranded without a car are made bearable by having pretty graphics to look at)
not excactly what your getting at, but still..
 

FightThePower

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People who refuse to play WW cause of the graphics are idiots and are missing the best Zelda in recent times. And if I hear one more person use 'cartoony graphics' as a negative point about a game, I will fucking shank them.
 

MR T3D

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ITS THEIR OPINION, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO IT.
if they don't like what they see (graphics) and think they (graphics) suck, then they will say so.
its not FACT, it's OPINION.
the only people i truely loathe are those whom are angered by others' HARMLESS OPINIONS.
For the record
I don't like sell-shaded graphics in most games i've seen with them, but i like TF2's art style.
i think cell shaded graphics suck, but at the same time i think TF2 looks great.
FightThePower said:
...And if I hear one more person use 'cartoony graphics' as a negative point about a game, I will fucking shank them.
if they don't like the game, specifically because they simply dislike art style, ITS THEIR OPINION.
ITS SUBJECTIVE, MOTHERLOVER
 

FightThePower

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MR T3D said:
FightThePower said:
...And if I hear one more person use 'cartoony graphics' as a negative point about a game, I will fucking shank them.
if they don't like the game, specifically because they simply dislike art style, ITS THEIR OPINION.
ITS SUBJECTIVE, MOTHERLOVER
You can dislike a particular art style, but saying it damages the game is fucking retarded. The quality of the art style can be criticised, a particular type of art style cannot. It's like saying Picasso is rubbish because he doesn't do accurate life drawings.

I personally dislike Brutal Legend's aethetic because I don't like Heavy Metal. But I'm not so narrow minded as to jump to the conclusion that it's a bad game, whereas I have heard people do so with the Wind Waker, Team Fortress 2, Red Alert 3 etc.
 

Powerman88

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Now see I think thats funny; the graphics (more specifically the unique art style) would be the only thing that WOULD draw me to WW. The fact that I loathe Nintendo and everything its spawned in the last 10 years would still keep me away.
 

FightThePower

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Old Man James said:
FightThePower said:
You can dislike a particular art style, but saying it damages the game is fucking retarded.
Well, I wouldn't say that. The look of a game can have a big impact of the players experience with it. If someone plays a game, but finds the style it has to be ghastly then that will effect their opinion of the game overall, even if the gameplay is flawless.
That's not criticising the type of style, that's criticising the quality of the art, which is perfectly fine.
 

GundamSentinel

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Many games want to be as realistic as possible. That's fine. Leads to some beautiful and good games. Others, like WW, Okami, Katamari and the like, give another twist to graphics to suit their artistic desires. Very often that works as well. Some of my favorites are in both groups.

It's when designers either want realism or artistic mood and make a piss-poor job of it, by either a shoddy mesh with gameplay, bad use of technology or just plain bad art design, that it gets shifty. IMO whether a game looks (and feels) good or not doesn't depend on if it is high definition or if you need an uber-pc to run the damn thing.
 

Twilight_guy

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I already knew this. Also, This article [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/press-released/6605-Death-of-a-Know-It-All].

I think most gamers just have egos the size of a small moon and honestly think that their opinion matters, especially on the internet. Most poeple here on the Escapist will tell you that graphics aren't everything. I personally prefer gameplay above all other things. I'll look at portraits for pretty ascetics and I'll read a book for game story but I play a game for the gameplay.
 

FightThePower

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Old Man James said:
FightThePower said:
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Old Man James said:
Well, I wouldn't say that. The look of a game can have a big impact of the players experience with it. If someone plays a game, but finds the style it has to be ghastly then that will effect their opinion of the game overall, even if the gameplay is flawless.
That's not criticising the type of style, that's criticising the quality of the art, which is perfectly fine.
I actually did mean the style itself, sorry if that wasn't clear.

I mean, some people just don't like certain styles and it's fair for that to effect their opinion of the game since it was a negative part of their experience with it.
Oh okay sorry. My bad, I'm not the best at interpreting stuff. Hmm...I see your point, but it's not strictly a negative characteristic of the game itself. Styles and genres aren't inherently positive or negative, regardless of personal opinion of them.

Best way I can explain it is that saying "This song is rubbish because it's Metal" is unacceptable, but saying "I don't like this song because I don't like Metal" is perfectly fine. The first is saying a style is inherently bad, the second is saying you dislike a style.

It's just that I have experienced way too many people treat certain artistic styles as inherently worse than others.
 

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MR T3D said:
ITS THEIR OPINION, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO IT.
if they don't like what they see (graphics) and think they (graphics) suck, then they will say so.
its not FACT, it's OPINION.
the only people i truely loathe are those whom are angered by others' HARMLESS OPINIONS.
For the record
I don't like sell-shaded graphics in most games i've seen with them, but i like TF2's art style.
i think cell shaded graphics suck, but at the same time i think TF2 looks great.
FightThePower said:
...And if I hear one more person use 'cartoony graphics' as a negative point about a game, I will fucking shank them.
if they don't like the game, specifically because they simply dislike art style, ITS THEIR OPINION.
ITS SUBJECTIVE, MOTHERLOVER
Flame and caps lock was used for something smart today... Doesn't happen that often.