"Good Samaritan" Killed During Nintendo DS Robbery

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I don't know whats worse about this, the fact that these punks were willing to gang up on and ambush one kid as well as bringing a gun with them for the sake of a Nintendo DS, or that a good man, who stepped in to do something that most individuals would not do, lost his life. And yeah, now that I look up, a poster has drawn my attention to the fact that they shot the other kid as he tried to run away. Now I hope these cowards get hit with the maximum penalty that their state allows.
 

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orangeapples said:
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Kopikatsu said:
anthony87 said:
Kill the bastards. Forget their ages.

People like that are a waste of oxygen.
Well, yes. I have to agree that they should be executed.

The point of prison is to remove people who can't/won't function in society, from society. However, killing someone over a $100 game system is...beyond 'can't function'.
>Never heard of rehabilitation
how dare you put anarchist on your name and speak of rehabilitation? That is a government funded program that basically says, "We (the government) know how you should live your life and you will abide by our rules or you will remain in prison." How dare you.
I'm not an anarchist and it isn't indoctrination, it's "You can't fucking kill whoever you want and we will teach you this".

Kopikatsu said:
AnarchistFish said:
Kopikatsu said:
anthony87 said:
Kill the bastards. Forget their ages.

People like that are a waste of oxygen.
Well, yes. I have to agree that they should be executed.

The point of prison is to remove people who can't/won't function in society, from society. However, killing someone over a $100 game system is...beyond 'can't function'.
>Never heard of rehabilitation
Over 50% of criminals go out and commit another crime, then end up back in jail. I imagine that most people who end up in prison for violent crimes can't be rehabilitated. You can't make somebody change.
To be honest I think that's more a sign of the problem with the judiciary system than with the prisoners themselves. If rehabilitation is used well it works effectively. I'm pretty sure this is the case in a few countries around the world, Scandinavian countries spring to mind.
 

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Irridium said:
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Truly a horrible crime, seems lucky more people were not shot as it was in a shopping centre, raises the question how they got a hold of a gun in the first place.
How did 4 teenage punks manage to get a gun? Seriously? The better question is why did 4 of them manage to come up with ONLY ONE.
Well, it's LA, so there's plenty of places where they could've gotten the gun.

But if I had to guess they probably took it from a parent or something.
There are so many ways it isn't funny. There have been cases of gun crimes committed by a gun that had been thrown in the river or sewer after another crime had been committed. It isn't just a case of a back alley dealing or a parent who doesn't know how to use a gun safe. The police department is supposed to destroy guns involved in crimes after they are needed for court, but many have been guilty of screwing up in some way or another and the gun just ends up back in the street.
I wasn't trying to be funny.

There are many ways to get guns, in the way you describe and many more. Especially in LA.

I merely said what I thought was the most likely way he got the gun.
Wasn't the impression I was trying to give.
 

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Sylveria said:
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Never bring a bat to a gun fight and NEVER underestimate the stupidity and greed of others.
gmaverick019 said:
in b4 gun law explosion flame*
Hey, Guns don't kill people, Nintendo DSs do!
bazing.

but gun law arguments wont work because of the suspects age. so the gun was acquired illegally, so i wouldn't have mattered. so no point in arguing because neither points would be valid.
You guys have guns in your Wal-Marts in the States. We don't up here in Canada.

These kids could've stolen the gun they used from the back of the loading dock. Guns are too accessible in the States.

Sounds like a valid argument to me.

The suspects' age doesn't matter true, but the fact that guns are extremely accessible in the States still leads to massive problems.
Well OBVIOUSLY that's the problem! There's guns at Wal-mart. Thank you sir. I didn't know Wal-mart was the start of gun violence. I mean, I've seen a number of documentaries and historical pieces about the arms trade and gang violence in the 40s, 50s, all the way up through today, but obviously those are all just fiction.

Wal-mart started gun violence. Geeze, if only we had noticed sooner. It's not like there's gun licenses, age restrictions, and checks for gun owners. And there's no such thing as gunsmiths or gun-shops anywhere else in the country, or the world. Well, we must start a campaign to get guns out of Wal-mart because that's where they all come from.
You missed the part where I said that guns are too accessible in the States. That's what I was getting at. Thanks for trying to be funny though. I had a good chuckle.
 

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Jegsimmons said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Jegsimmons said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Never bring a bat to a gun fight and NEVER underestimate the stupidity and greed of others.
gmaverick019 said:
in b4 gun law explosion flame*
Hey, Guns don't kill people, Nintendo DSs do!
bazing.

but gun law arguments wont work because of the suspects age. so the gun was acquired illegally, so i wouldn't have mattered. so no point in arguing because neither points would be valid.
You guys have guns in your Wal-Marts in the States. We don't up here in Canada.

These kids could've stolen the gun they used from the back of the loading dock. Guns are too accessible in the States.

Sounds like a valid argument to me.

The suspects' age doesn't matter true, but the fact that guns are extremely accessible in the States still leads to massive problems.
one, no they dont put guns in walmarts like that. they have a seperate system of loading that involves security gaurds.
two, they could have still gotten them from across the border which might as well be non existant.
three, even so, the murder rate is dropping and out of all the gun crimes committed it's dwafed by the amount they are used to prevent crime, reported at 2 million times and year but thought to be another 2 million that go unreported so it roughly around 4 million times a year a gun prevents crime or saves lives. so the good outweighs bad.
four, DC had a gun ban and crime shot up 300 percent, gun ban was abolished and crime went down. so yeah, guns are not the problem. fucking criminals that would have them either way are the problem.
1. The fact that guns are in Wal-Marts anyways bugs me. The parents of these kids could've bought the gun and could've been just taken the gun due to negligent gun care.

2. I highly doubt that 13-16 years old are getting guns from across the border to rob a Nintendo DS. I also highly doubt that 13-16 year olds are going up to buy these guns from actual criminals.

3. You can pull all of the, "dropping rate" of gun crime you want. Statistics show that the U.S. has literally at least 20 times the amount of gun crimes than the next 1st world country being Germany. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms)

The U.S. is literally the only 1st world country in the top 5 most gun crimes per year, per country. The other top 11 countries are 3rd world countries. Accessibility to guns IS the problem.

The US has over 9000 gun crimes per year. Canada has 144, and we're just next door. Canada has strict gun laws in place, the US does not. Explain to me how guns aren't the problem here?
 

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anthony87 said:
Kopikatsu said:
anthony87 said:
Kill the bastards. Forget their ages.

People like that are a waste of oxygen.
Well, yes. I have to agree that they should be executed.

The point of prison is to remove people who can't/won't function in society, from society. However, killing someone over a $100 game system is...beyond 'can't function'.
Wow...to be honest I was expecting to be blasted with people saying how horrible I am for thinking such a thing and so on and so forth.

I'm quite plesantly surprised.
I find myself clearly contradicting George Bernard Shaw on his "justify your existence" monologue. Some people are more productive than others, and just about every society has found ways to keep the less blessed, less healthy and less productive alive.

However, the very moment people use force and violence to get a Nintendo DS, and actually shoot people dead in the process, they must truly be considered fallen and lost. Hell, even though it opposes everything I believe in, I could want to understand how someone uses force to get food, clothes or shelter, but NOT a Nintendo DS!
 

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You guys have guns in your Wal-Marts in the States. We don't up here in Canada.

These kids could've stolen the gun they used from the back of the loading dock. Guns are too accessible in the States.

Sounds like a valid argument to me.

The suspects' age doesn't matter true, but the fact that guns are extremely accessible in the States still leads to massive problems.
one, no they dont put guns in walmarts like that. they have a seperate system of loading that involves security gaurds.
two, they could have still gotten them from across the border which might as well be non existant.
three, even so, the murder rate is dropping and out of all the gun crimes committed it's dwafed by the amount they are used to prevent crime, reported at 2 million times and year but thought to be another 2 million that go unreported so it roughly around 4 million times a year a gun prevents crime or saves lives. so the good outweighs bad.
four, DC had a gun ban and crime shot up 300 percent, gun ban was abolished and crime went down. so yeah, guns are not the problem. fucking criminals that would have them either way are the problem.
1. The fact that guns are in Wal-Marts anyways bugs me. The parents of these kids could've bought the gun and could've been just taken the gun due to negligent gun care.

2. I highly doubt that 13-16 years old are getting guns from across the border to rob a Nintendo DS. I also highly doubt that 13-16 year olds are going up to buy these guns from actual criminals.

3. You can pull all of the, "dropping rate" of gun crime you want. Statistics show that the U.S. has literally at least 20 times the amount of gun crimes than the next 1st world country being Germany. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms)

The U.S. is literally the only 1st world country in the top 5 most gun crimes per year, per country. The other top 11 countries are 3rd world countries. Accessibility to guns IS the problem.

The US has over 9000 gun crimes per year. Canada has 144, and we're just next door. Canada has strict gun laws in place, the US does not. Explain to me how guns aren't the problem here?
1.how many times have cops lost their guns, or how about the government losing HUNDREDS OF ASSAULT RIFLES in a stupid operation? quite frankly, THANK JESUS they sell guns in a wal mart so people can fucking defend them selves when shit hits the fan! also, they sell shot guns and rifles for hunting, not really a criminals choice.

2. dude, eight year olds can get guns from criminals, and HELLO~O we border mexico who is haveing a literal WAR with cartels who smuggle humans, drugs, and GUNS in to this country like crazy!

3. Thats for one is not true, (and ive seen that website before and it disregards other ifo) its about population. when you look at percent of the country that is harmed by guns, its about the same as European countries.
Also, Switzerland has near identical gun laws and doesn't have near as much crime. why is that? for 1, the US has 300 million citizens. 2 Swiss. is borders by European countries, so not much of a smuggling operation there, huh? 3 we have crazy ass gang members who run up in peoples houses to steal for drug money, and they have the ability to get guns illegally, either stolen or via mexico. Registered law abiding citizens counts for very little of the gun crime, most is gang on gang violence. Im not even getting into illegal immigrants. You could remove every legal access to guns from civilians and you know what you get? CRIMINALS WITH GUNS!!!! these are people who sell drugs and pimp women, they can get there hands on some boom sticks! and even more illegal guns would come in because the US would end up haveing a higher demand for it! not to mention an increase in home robberies and muggings. and a shit ton of people walking WITH KNIVES!!! and knives are easier to hide!


the reason why Canada doesn't suffer like the US is because the US has 300 million, Canada has 30 million people spread out. No huge cities like us, no low income urban areas, and no body want to tread all the way to Canada to sell guns and drugs where their is little demand for it. Unfortunately, America doesn't have that luxury, we have the right to bear arms so we can keep criminals at bay, so we keep our increasingly over extending government in check, and for DAMN sure to keep other countries from invading us because EVERYONE FUCKING HATES US!!!


and as i stated before, every time a city bans fire arms (which is illegal) crime increases MASSIVELY! in fact chicago became the center of a supreme court hearing that stated that gun bans were unconstitutional because people had to watch a poor kid get beaten to death, he wasn't a gang member. he was an honor roll student! and some gang members beat him to death, the cops couldn't react in time (note, it takes 4 minutes on average for cops to show up at the scene) and no one could do anything to stop them, no one could defend them selves.


But, i wont change your mind,i know i wont, i'm wasting time. the left wing media will always make it look bad, always not reporting on the 4 million times a gun was used to prevent crime and murder, or how a woman stopped her self from being raped by pack a hand gun in her purse. always blaming a simple tool, for something cause by other issues, like poor education, illegal immigration, the drug problem. and in the end...who suffers? criminals? no. Innocent people who don't commit crimes, all 80 million (that's just the registered ones) normal people who either hunt, collect, or feel the need to protect them selves and their family are going to suffer while gang members who wont give up their weapons will take advantage of the situation and innocent people are going to get hurt or killed.
 

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MichiganMuscle77 said:
midknight129 said:
How did 4 teenage punks manage to get a gun? Seriously? The better question is why did 4 of them manage to come up with ONLY ONE.
There are so many unregistered guns in the United States alone, having any sort of gun-ban would simply leave good people defenseless against criminals.

You COULD get your hands on a "gun that doesn't exist" out of someone's car trunk or a back alley sale. Where did that gun come from? Stolen... brought across the border... handed down through generations... etc. We'll never collect them all.
FINALLY SOME ONE WHO FRIGGIN GETS IT!!!
 

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Adult prison for all of them, I think. If they are old enough to rob and shoot someone, they are old enough to get a cell with the big boys.

What I dont understand is all these people calling for the death sentence. Its amusing, ask anyone what they think of it and they will spend the day telling you why they think its wrong, but confront them with one story like this and strip away their ignorance, and they will fall just short of taking to the streets with forks and pickaxes.

(Im against the death sentence, by the by.)
I believe this man put it best.
Joker said:
When the chips are down these...civilized people...they'll eat each other.
 

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Gamers are probably thinking "oh jeez, Jack Thompson and the media are going to have a field day with this", except, you know, that debate is OVER! Remember? The Supreme Court ruled in favor of us! We don't have to worry about being associated with these kidns of crazy nutballs.

What we SHOULD be worrying about is making sure shit like this doesn't happen!