Gotta Love Metal Gear Solid

Darth_Payn

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What I like about the Metal Gear series is how it affected the industry as a whole. We wouldn't have stealth action games without it, it's one of the first series to have a "message" about the world, and even if it dead beat you over the head with its message, I never got the feeling it actively hated you for playing it. Yeah, it had to be challenging, but if it directly tell me "You suck", I just didn't get it. It was a thinking person's action game series, and if the controls did feel clunky, that's because the primary goal was to AVOID enemy contact, which is the WHOLE BLOODY POINT.
 

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Just popped in to rag on Yahtzee for missing his due date on this column last time. It's because I look forward to what he says. A scold of love.
 

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GrumbleGrump said:
thanatos388 said:
But that's why its fantasy. There is no real logic to the biotics in Mass Effects either especially once you get to the Starchild. Once everyone went deep into understanding the lore of the games in order to prove the indoctrination theory they saw just how bullshit and broken the lore really is. Making drastic changes in the codex from game to game for no real reason. Its just as whimsical in many aspects. The main difference is as you say, Metal Gear presents itself very seriously and rarely lets up. The characters take things seriously the whole time and the tone is of an R rated hostage film through and though. I think that's the only real difference.
Yes, it's the only difference and a pretty big one at that. Playing things such as ghosts, psychics, lightning men and to some extent, vampires, in a rather straight manner, with nought a half-decent handwave or in-universe basis other than "Kojima thought it was cool" seriously makes the lore and universe feel a lot less serious than it likes to take itself. It's completely lacking in self-awareness, which would be okay if the game was lighthearted, but it's not. So you get a supposedly serious scene in which a vampire blademaster jumps from a harrier jet and runs up a strut in a sea platform. All of this, while said harrier is being held in the mouth of a giant mecha. Yes, it's an action scene and still it feels completely ridiculous.

Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean it doesn't have to have a consistent tone, or restraint. That's why I always find the writing so bad, it's an espionage plot that's just rolls around in complete excess.
There is a ton of explanation though. Not in MGS2 because a lack of answers was kind of the point but there isn't a real explanation for why magic is in LOTR either. Its just a part of the world and it takes itself was more serious than MGS which can be very lighthearted and jokey at times. Also if you talk on the CODEC they go into stupid amounts of detail on the tech and mystical aspects of how things work in MGS. Its not fun to listen to though.
 

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thanatos388 said:
There is a ton of explanation though. Not in MGS2 because a lack of answers was kind of the point but there isn't a real explanation for why magic is in LOTR either. Its just a part of the world and it takes itself was more serious than MGS which can be very lighthearted and jokey at times. Also if you talk on the CODEC they go into stupid amounts of detail on the tech and mystical aspects of how things work in MGS. Its not fun to listen to though.
From what I've seen, the times that MGS likes to make jokes are some that are just way too dumb to be funny, like Volgin grabbing Snakes' dick, soldiers on patrol getting distracted by porn magazines or most of what Johnny Sasaki does. All of this while either the world hangs on the balance, the world has been consumed by war or while you sneak through a base overtaken by terrorists.
Besides, I've never heard why exactly the Pain could control bees, why Volgin had lighting powers (and got the rank of fucking colonel while being a tool so big that he could unscrew a Mars sized bolt). It just feels weird and out of place. Just sticking some tactical gear on your superhumans does not make them believeable. In fact it just makes them look even sillier.

Fuck it, then. I guess we just have different bullshit thresholds.