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Magnesium360

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It would seem that you are not alone, Code Monkey.
By the way, you may find this interesting: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.197615-U-instead-of-You?page=2#6406124
 

Korolev

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That YouTube comment was hastily written. His basic sentence structure is fine, and you can follow what he says. He didn't capitalise or spell check and he left out one or two words, but that's what happens when you type, especially when you're angry.

Some people just don't care when they type up comments on the internet. They might have the ability to spell correctly if they wanted to, but for some reason they feel that they don't have to when typing on YouTube.
 

snoodude

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Speaking as a person whose own Grammar Nazi-ism probably stems from a (debatably) non-medical yet probably-real case of minor OCD, I had to get this off of my chest:

The proper suffix for retyping (programming joke) a word as a verb is '-ize', not '-ise'. Examples include 'customize', 'itemize', 'plagiarize', 'accessorize', 'demonize' (post 42), 'standardize' (post 46), and 'apologize' (post 53). Unless you're using BE (British English), in which case '-ise' IS the proper way. While I almost corrected 'pernickity' (post 50) for missing the 's', the BE spelling does indeed lack one. Except it's spelled 'pernickety' in BE.

Also, the word is 'apostrophe' (post 53 again).

*takes several deep, calming breaths*

I am not a smug or vengeful or mocking Grammar Nazi; rather, my attention is forcefully grabbed by improperly spelled words. It's like I can't help but notice the wrongness of typos and such.
 

Sjakie

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Taking offense to internet language and spelling is a big waste of time.
Trying to correct people is worse even.
You might as well worry about how grass grows, it's more productive.
 

JokerCrowe

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I feel this thread has wandered off from the original question.
To answer the original question of "am I a 'Grammar Nazi'?": No, I don't think you are. But I've been called a Grammar Nazi and I do just about everything you mentioned you do; so the rest of the internet might call you a Grammar Nazi.
Personally, I try to not get bothered by bad grammar, I just make sure that my grammar is, according to me, good enough. But like you said; sometimes it's really hard to overlook a persons grammar, so my suggestion to you is to stop reading the comments on Youtube. Nothing good ever comes from reading them.
Oh, and NEVER try to read "My Immortal". I read it, and I'm pretty sure I did serious and irreversible damage to the language center in my brain. You have been warned.
 

Croix Sinistre

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It's one thing to misspell bigger words.

It's one thing mix up their, there and they're.

...not sure where i was going with that. Fact is, as long as it readable, somewhat intelligent and lacking bad misspellings and one letter words (u is a perfect example), I'm not doing to dog it. I frequently omit apostrophes and I don't always capitalize, i know this, but i do expect people in forums to type with some dignity.

On the internet we all know you by two things, your avatar and your text. Its how you represent yourself. Just like on the street you represent yourself by what you wear (who is going to know about you other than how you look?) and if you have an off-putting appearance people will think thats how your personality is. Someone with a PH.D could type like a 15 year old and everyone will think he's a twat online.

However, through and through I am tired of the people who think the internet is one big text message.
 

Abedeus

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BiscuitTrouser said:
Abedeus said:
You call that post "bad grammar"? Sure, he's generous with punctuation, even a lot, doesn't use capital letters... But he doesn't make any spelling errors. Really, there are worse. The only major problem is misuse of "otherwise".

Miumaru said:
Nazi. cuz not leik it wuz dis.
Seriously, its hard to be stupid.
Oh, the bitter irony.
Someone used irony correctly! You sir win one internets from the irony nazi "baloons and trumpets" also a cookie.

OT: That wasn't that bad, i tend to have different criteria for what is acceptable typing. In my english essays it has to be perfect. On the internet im fine as long as i can understand what the person is saying. For example.

"I cant see how that guy could think that was smart i wouldnt do that in a million years."

He missed a few apostrophys and a capitol I but it's stupidly easy to understand what hes saying. However in the example you gave: "but don't me other wise" isn't even cohearent I have no idea what he's trying to convay to me. Thats when I become annoyed at people.

I may have mispelt the word apostrophy, I apologise in advance.
Apostrophe/apostrophes. Capital, not capitol. Coherent, not cohearent. Convey, not convay. Balloon.

Yay. I'm a productive member of society!
 
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Compared to some comments I've seen, that one isn't so bad. So the person forgot to capitalize and most of the comment felt like a run-on sentence, but that's better than "tYp1Ng lIkE tHi55". When they type like that, I die a little on the inside.
 

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Phenom828 said:
...NEVER try to read "My Immortal". I read it, and I'm pretty sure I did serious and irreversible damage to the language center in my brain. You have been warned.
Do on the other hand read Cormac McCarthy's excellent "The Road". There is a finite amount of punctuation used to great literary effect. The meandering sentences are littered with ands that would make any true grammar Nazi cringe but for someone who is a fan of language it sets the tone for an amazing read.
 

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Sikachu said:
Lukeje said:
ultrachicken said:
Lukeje said:
ultrachicken said:
You need to stop concerning yourself with grammar unless it's illegible.
You mean `unintelligible', surely? `Illegible' normally refers to not being able to decipher someone's handwriting.
Difficult to read
*Shrug* Each to their own. I can normally understand the words, but understanding the intended meaning behind them is a little more difficult. (Though I will admit that when spelling goes out of the window some posts can occasionally become illegible too).

So easy to settle these things, and everyone gets to learn something.
Ah, that little pic made my brain feel all warm and fuzzy, especially after the stinging cold feelings I get when somebody posts and argument that I can't understand. That's why I stick to this site. Most of the people here seem to have a good grasp of grammar and spelling and, when their mistakes are pointed out to them politely enough, they are quick to edit them so as not to cause further pain and cringing. If you want an idea of my reaction to obnoxiously bad mistakes, check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtMYllXTHpo ...though as my wife has said "In every relationship, there is corrector and a grammar-messer-upper"...She said that a week or two ago and I still think it's comedy gold.
 

HappyNoodleBot

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Apologies to the mod. I did genuinely mean posting "your all idiots" in a topic on grammar Nazism as a wry joke aimed solely at my own expense.
 

Kud

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I don't even read YouTube comments, they are all just mindless babble.
 

NeutralMunchHotel

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Sikachu said:
Gilbert Munch said:
But no.

Unlike while and whilst, flammable and inflammable and there, their and they're, it and it's are most definitely not interchangeable.
Apart from the accuracy regarding 'flammable' and 'inflammable', your ignorant comment caused me to snort with derision. Perhaps you ought to get the tiniest bit of education about a subject before you jump down someone's throat with with your uninformed ramblings.

Miumaru said:
Don't let a troll like that get you down. Despite being a dyed-in-the-wool Grammar-Nazi, I find comments like yours grounding and amusing.

There, their and they're was a trap.

Flawless victory.

Also, while and whilst are interchangeable. The debate has raged on, and unless you can give me concrete proof that they're not...
 

sumanoskae

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Getting annoyed with extreme examples I understand, but offended?, what exactly are they attacking?. It's not like English is some sort of holy figure that will break down and hang itself when someone uses improper grammar
 

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Helmutye said:
I am not a linguist, but my girlfriend is. She is working on her Masters degree in Linguistics and plans on going for her Doctorate to become a Professor. She absolutely hates grammar nazis, and if given the chance she will always explain at length why being a grammar nazi is sophomoric and indicative of insecurity and an irrational need to feel superior. I'm sure she would love to comment on this, but she is asleep right now, so I will do my best!

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that there is such a thing as "good grammar" and "bad grammar." There isn't. There is no reason why what is typically called "good grammar"--the kind you generally learn in English class--is better than other ways of putting the language together. The only reason there is "good grammar" is because the people who are currently in charge of this country like to think their dialect of English is superior to others, and discriminate against them. The grammar used by people in the inner city is just as valid a way to speak English as any other. Sorry, English majors, but there is no basis for your field other than social inequality.

Language is not something that is learned, at least not in the same way we learn other things. Language is Acquired. Our brains are specially designed to use language, and this occurs independent of intelligence. So long as you do not have brain damage, you will speak your native language with internally consistent grammar. You generally learn the languages you are exposed to as a kid, and at a certain point your brain "hardens" and becomes less able to acquire new languages, but as a kid language is one of the things that your brain is most dedicated to. It is instinctive, to the point where groups of kids will spontaneously invent their own fully developed, fully grammatical language if they are not exposed to an existing language. Non-native speakers will sometimes use flawed and inconsistent grammar, but this is because their brains have not fully acquired it. And interestingly enough, if parents speak a broken, inconsistent form of a language around their child, the child will automatically "correct" the grammar so that it is internally consistent and shows all the hallmarks of native consistency. This does not mean that they will use the same grammar or dialect as the rich, elite speakers of the language. But by all scientific standards it will be just as Right.

So all you grammar nazis out there take heed: if you disagree with someone, go ahead and disagree with them. But disagree with their ideas. So long as communication is established, language has done its job, and nitpicking the tiny details of how someone else uses the language does not show how smart you are. It shows how boring, close-minded, and arrogant you are. It's like getting a letter in the mail but throwing it out without reading it because the sender spelled your name wrong on the envelope. You know how the rest of the world gets annoyed with Americans because we don't bother to learn anyone else's language most of the time? Grammar nazis do that within their own language! Get over yourselves!

This works well within one country, but for international communication we can hardly use a multitude of accents and dialects since the commonly used language will be too broken down by not being native to it's speakers for them to also have to decipher all the quirks of the accents.

The internet is international communication, and as such we should at least attempt to follow the same standard when writing. It will be inconsistent enough anyway.
 
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When it comes to posting I am usually as picky as you are. I double check anything that Google Chrome marks out as wrong, make sure I'm not making any particularly major grammar faux pas (some minor ones can be allowed to slip, since my posts are rarely formal). So I 'spose "colloquial grammar" Nazi suits me best.

And to give that person their due respect, that is actually impressive for a YouTube comment. Normally I would have expected smthn lyk dis 2 av bn poastd insted lul.

And writing that last sentence reminded me of the most grating and simply bloody annoying grammar fail there is. "Would of". Something about the combination of those 2 words, in the context of "what I would of done" (Or, of course, could of, should of etc.) are like a band-saw made of chalk along a nerve made of blackboard.
 

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If I can read the comment, then I have no issue with it. If it's too difficult for me to read and requires quite a bit of effort, then it's time to become a "Grammar Nazi".
 

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HappyNoodleBot said:
Apologies to the mod. I did genuinely mean posting "your all idiots" in a topic on grammar Nazism as a wry joke aimed solely at my own expense.
In which case, I'll remove the probation and the line. :)
 

USSR

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In my opinion, you used a pretty bad example.
Much worse is on Youtube, but I guess your point was made.

I don't really get upset over it unless it is extremely bad.
 

WINDOWCLEAN2

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I'm loving the Mods Grammer Bible quotations from time to time.

OT: As long as a post is not infuriatingly innacurrate I have no problem with how people see to spell, pronounce and show their words.


For me the line is drawn at this:

Me: Hey, How's it going man?

Friend: Yoo!!!111. Wahhtzz upp Doodeez!?!........I iz Sooooo stonedz Yeaiii!!


This was an MSN conversation, with an 18 year-old friend.

God/Allah/Religious Deity help us.