Grand Theft Auto V PC Petition Hits 200,000 Signatures

[Iron Criterion]

This here is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Doom972]

I'm sure that it'll come out for the PC like every other GTA game since GTA 3, regardless of petitions. 200000 doesn't sound like much, especially for an online petition.

Because we all know just how seriously companies take online petitions.

Really though, I would like a port and I think it would be in Rockstar's best interests to release one. If they do though, I doubt it would be because of this petition.

They usually don't take them seriously, but I guess that since it worked for Dark Souls, there's always a chance.

 

[Monsterfurby]

The GTA 4 port to PC was not the most successful one, admittedly, but I don't really see them ignoring the PC market.

Hardware development is almost stagnant in terms of GPU/CPU power, so the install base of "gaming PCs" is likely rising much faster, even though the install base of "office PCs" is dropping quickly. They'd be missing out on a huge share of the market that they have previously established for GTA, unless they count on this one being a system seller.

 

[Smeatza]

I don't see what all the bother is.
They're going to release it on PC, they always do, it's just a question of when.

It's not a "We want GTA 5 on PC" petition. It's a "We want GTA 5 on PC RIGHT NOW" petition.
I'm happy for them to put it off as long as they like, perhaps it will be a little better optimised that way.

 

[SSJBlastoise]

Does anyone else find it kind of funny how the "master race" can sometimes act so stupidly.

The only game of Rockstar's that hasn't come out on PC is RDR. Maybe if Rockstar only released every second game or something on PC it might make sense but GTA IV was released 6 months after consoles and Max Payne 3 was released a couple of weeks after consoles. People shouldn't be complaining about it already, there is still plenty of time to wait before the game even comes out on consoles

 

[Dragonbums]

What I find stupid is the fact that they're developing the game with consoles in mind from the outset. Starting with a PC version and doing a good and well-optimised console port is a better way to go in my opinion.

Why?

Because on the PC, you don't have the hardware limitations. You don't need to downscale models or textures for performance and can leave the high-resolution ones you put so much work into in the game instead of downscaling them because the hardware can't take them. You're not limited by a petty 10/14 buttons a gamepad has to offer, and can thus make much more occur organically within gameplay (instead of a contextual action button, let the players decide what to do by binding a lot of different possible actions to different keys - you've got 105+3 of them anyway), you need fewer constraints (for performance) and you can get more people to buy your game just by releasing the tools you made the game with (not costing you any effort, but bringing in tons of other people just so they can mod your game).

And this is where you are wrong.

You do still have to downsize models for the PC version.
It is absolutely foolish to assume that everyone who owns a PC can play any game at maximum capacity.
In fact with all the different varieties and components PC users have on their computer either by brand or preference it would be more time consuming to make games run on the PC, than on the console where you are garunteed that the specs of one console is the same for all the consoles.
You cannot make that same guarantee for the PC.

 

[Dragonbums]

Does anyone else find it kind of funny how the "master race" can sometimes act so stupidly.

The only game of Rockstar's that hasn't come out on PC is RDR. Maybe if Rockstar only released every second game or something on PC it might make sense but GTA IV was released 6 months after consoles and Max Payne 3 was released a couple of weeks after consoles. People shouldn't be complaining about it already, there is still plenty of time to wait before the game even comes out on consoles

it's a big shame not seeing the newest iteration of the game being released on the most powerful platform,"

This last sentence right here shows to me it's more of a superiority complex of the "PC Master Race" more than anything.
How dare the lesser consoles get the GTA games before the almighty PC.
Like seriously.
This petition would sound less whiny if they simply requested that they make the PC version available at launch like the other versions.
Nope.
That isn't the case at all.
PC people sure hate exclusives...unless it's a PC exclusive. Then they will just chalk it up to them being the superior platform.

Also waiting for them to just make a shitty port. Which at that point they will cry all over again about how if Rockstar wasn't going to put in the effort, then it shouldn't make a port in the first place :/

 

[Strazdas]

well they said they wont release a PC version of GTA 4, they got talked into it, look how that turned out.

as much as I'd love to see this game on the PC, my computer had issues playing the last one. Granted there were optimization issues on the developers side of things. Still, I'd probably need some upgrades just to play it, and I'd rather save up for the next gen.

Optimization issues.... more like no optimization at all.... I played games twice as "good looking" with less resources two years before GTA4.
Upgrading PC is the next gen. the "next gen" consoles will barely scrach the PC needed to run GTA4 anyway.

I remember that I spent over $300 on a videocard (a 6800GT back in the day) and even then GTA IV ran on like 7 FPS even though I ran the game at low resolution and low graphical settings... My sentiments when it comes to Rockstar doing a competent port of GTA V for the PC are that they quite simply aren't to be trusted.

wait what?
when GTA 4 came out on PC (december 2008) the 200 series were out and swinging. the 6000 series while still manufactured were near the end of its life (2004-2010).
6800 GT came to the market in May 2004. if you really paid 300 dollars for it you were extremely blatantly robbed. and while were at it, i got a bridge to sell you....

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sadly, while you are correct, most developers develop for consoles and then "port" it to PC, ending up in PC version being extra crappy. Hence the people with best hardware for AAA gaming get shafted because there are folks who use obsolete hardware.

I don't see what all the bother is.
They're going to release it on PC, they always do, it's just a question of when.

maybe because Rockstar said they will not release it for PC?

Does anyone else find it kind of funny how the "master race" can sometimes act so stupidly.

Oh no, a company saying they will use terrible business practices and cut out their huge audience, and then get a petition to not cut out thier audience and earn money instead. how terrible our master race is.

 

[Smeatza]

I don't see what all the bother is.
They're going to release it on PC, they always do, it's just a question of when.

maybe because Rockstar said they will not release it for PC?

Either give me a link or I don't believe you, because I've been watching the story very closely and have seen nothing of the sort.

 

[ActionDan]

It was already going to happen, and the Studio behind Max Payne 3 are doing to game from the ground up, so it should be as awful of a release as GTA4 was on the PC.

 

[JochemHippie]

Because we all know just how seriously companies take online petitions.

Really though, I would like a port and I think it would be in Rockstar's best interests to release one. If they do though, I doubt it would be because of this petition.

>Dark Souls.

Anywho, they'll port it. Likely we'll get it, but quite a bit later then the consoles.
We can only hope it'll have better optimization then GTA IV did...

 

[Evil Smurf]

candy or crystal flavour?

Candy was the redhead, right? That one[footnote]Yeah, this isn't creepy and off-topic. <.<[/footnote].

I'll post the recipe and pictures on my blog.

 

[Antari]

I'm not really interested in another half assed porting job. GTA 5 doesn't exist to me unless it releases to PC on day 1.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Does anyone else find it kind of funny how the "master race" can sometimes act so stupidly.

The only game of Rockstar's that hasn't come out on PC is RDR. Maybe if Rockstar only released every second game or something on PC it might make sense but GTA IV was released 6 months after consoles and Max Payne 3 was released a couple of weeks after consoles. People shouldn't be complaining about it already, there is still plenty of time to wait before the game even comes out on consoles

it's a big shame not seeing the newest iteration of the game being released on the most powerful platform,"

This last sentence right here shows to me it's more of a superiority complex of the "PC Master Race" more than anything.
How dare the lesser consoles get the GTA games before the almighty PC.
Like seriously.
This petition would sound less whiny if they simply requested that they make the PC version available at launch like the other versions.
Nope.
That isn't the case at all.
PC people sure hate exclusives...unless it's a PC exclusive. Then they will just chalk it up to them being the superior platform.

Also waiting for them to just make a shitty port. Which at that point they will cry all over again about how if Rockstar wasn't going to put in the effort, then it shouldn't make a port in the first place :/

So much this.

I'm sick and tired of crap like these petitions with people making themselves out to be the only ones left out, because the Wii U people are also left out as well ¬_¬ (Oh wait I forgot PC master race folks don't give two shits about console owners at all).

That last quote on the petition about it not being on the "most powerful platform" irked the hell out of me because it is a superiority complex more than anything and it's really sad because it also comes off as being passive aggressive towards console owners right off the bat.

Jesus looking at all those comments I can hardly find many reasons for it being on PC but I sure as hell can see lots and lots of comments taking massive stabs at console users.

Another thing I noticed is some of those comments are basically "Pls port to PC, make it best port because I dun have console", yet I remember on here a lot of people saying it's easy to save and build a PC yet the exact very god damn same can be said for a console since myself and others have managed to save for some in the past, it's how I saved for both a PS3 and 360 years ago even in the recession so their logic about not going for a console is moot besides their complex.


I play games on both PC and consoles and I don't really mind if it comes to both or just one but for the love of god don't use a petition as an attempt to glorify your one platform decision while taking actual aggressive stabs at other people because it just comes off as being a massive undeserving dick.

 

[lacktheknack]

I remember that I spent over $300 on a videocard (a 6800GT back in the day) and even then GTA IV ran on like 7 FPS even though I ran the game at low resolution and low graphical settings... My sentiments when it comes to Rockstar doing a competent port of GTA V for the PC are that they quite simply aren't to be trusted.

It's not very fair to complain that the game ran like crap on a card you bought four or five years before...

OT: Wow, that is a LOT of support. I wonder if Rockstar have considered handing the port to someone else.

 

[lacktheknack]

That last quote on the petition about it not being on the "most powerful platform" irked the hell out of me because it is a superiority complex more than anything and it's really sad because it also comes off as being passive aggressive towards console owners right off the bat.

Two things:

1. PC IS the most powerful platform. There's no reason to get bugged by that.

2. The attitude is probably the tail end of the backlash from "PCs are dead and irrelevant, STFU" from a couple years ago.

Note: I don't harbour animosity to console players, I just know cause and effect when I see it.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

That last quote on the petition about it not being on the "most powerful platform" irked the hell out of me because it is a superiority complex more than anything and it's really sad because it also comes off as being passive aggressive towards console owners right off the bat.

Two things:

1. PC IS the most powerful platform. There's no reason to get bugged by that.

2. The attitude is probably the tail end of the backlash from "PCs are dead and irrelevant, STFU" from a couple years ago.

Note: I don't harbour animosity to console players, I just know cause and effect when I see it.

The only reason I'm bugged by that is the deliberate downplaying of consoles my good man, I hate nothing more than someone using a fact as an attempt to step on and crush someone else because of their decision.

Also for point No.2 does that also give the people in the Uk the right to act like absolute trash to everyone else because of the porn filter? (Yes I know that has nothing to do with gaming but purely because David doing something for one group of people does not give the other the right to want to smash the opposing party, but working something better out would be a start just like with Rockstar).

All I want is for the PC side to either wait patiently or just move on because console users have suffered their fair share like some console games that eventually come to PC and console support gets dropped but when it happens to PC it's suddenly "Only them that gets left out" when that simply is not remotely true at all.

I see a lot of comments on that petition ranging from "As a PC gamer, I'm sick and tired of being left out.", "Because consoles are terrible.","Because GTA is a amazing and wonderful game and should be on the most powerful platform, the PC.".

Now I wouldn't say I'm cherry picking here because a lot of the comments on there are simply demanding the game in a most obnoxious way while also taking direct stabs at consoles and their users and even if it was because of the whole "PC's are dead" they were never actually dead and just like you said "PC's are the powerful platform" and lots know that but lots also know that PC's aren't dead so that suddenly doesn't give them the right to suddenly slag off people from another platform because they are getting something another isn't, PC's get PC exclusives and I haven't seen hundreds of threads demanding PC exclusives come to console let alone petitions for them. (inb4 optimization defence which isn't the sole winning argument here).

 

[ItsNotRudy]

I remember that I spent over $300 on a videocard (a 6800GT back in the day) and even then GTA IV ran on like 7 FPS even though I ran the game at low resolution and low graphical settings... My sentiments when it comes to Rockstar doing a competent port of GTA V for the PC are that they quite simply aren't to be trusted.

What?! How?!
The 6800GT came out 2004, GTA 4 came out at the end of 2008. How did you spend 300 dollar on a 4 year old graphic card?
That was around the time i bought a 9800 gt for around 150 Euros and it displayed gta 4 just fine.

When it released it did not play "just fine" unless you were content with 20-30FPS. I only ever got 60FPS indoors. This was with a 8800GTX, wich was at least a little better than the 9800GT iirc. You did not smoothly play GTAIV at an acceptable FPS in 2008 with merely a 9800GT.

 

[Matthi205]

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And this is where you are wrong.

You do still have to downsize models for the PC version.
It is absolutely foolish to assume that everyone who owns a PC can play any game at maximum capacity.
In fact with all the different varieties and components PC users have on their computer either by brand or preference it would be more time consuming to make games run on the PC, than on the console where you are garunteed that the specs of one console is the same for all the consoles.
You cannot make that same guarantee for the PC.

I'm going to bite and argue with you.

Downscaling of the models is still being done, of course. But the high resolution orginals are kept, giving you something much better to show. Also, a game never really gets to "see" the GPU or CPU. Giving commands to the hardware is all handled by the D3D or OpenGL APIs. The only thing a PC game needs to have is an options menu where most options default to the most common configuration. It's not *that* hard to write an options menu, too. I mean, even Capcom games have a decent options menu nowadays.

PC still has the gigantic advantage in terms of the amount of different buttons available. On PC, you don't have analog sticks, but you can bind much more actions. Let me give you an example:
In Mass Effect 1, taking cover, action and sprint are bound to separate buttons.
In Mass Effect 2, they aren't.
The ports were done by Demiurge and BW, respectively. The BW port completely copied the console control scheme and thus removed a lot of the perceived freedom the players had.

Also, while I don't hate consoles, I find the lack of buttons on the controllers slightly disturbing. How is it possible to make a game where the player has the freedom to do anything he pleases and only allow them to crouch when you say so? I don't get that.

I much prefer having kick, punch, uppercut and grapple to be separate actions that I can activate when I want instead of being bound to X presses of button Y (and only button Y). I much prefer being able to crouch around whereever I want, then jump from the nearest balcony and faceplant into a flower garden instead of the whole thing being some pre-made action I activate by pressing F and then maybe doing a QTE or two to see if I'm going to land on a rose or on a lily.

The PC just is the most powerful platform, get over it. I can still play PS2 games, I can still play XBox games. As a dev, I can use this thing not only to playtest my creation, but also to completely make it, from the button mapping to the zebra that'll decide to be a roadblock. I can play games with a keyboard and mouse config, a joystick (flightstick), a gamepad, and with any combination of the above. When I play on a console, I'm mostly limited to the controller that came with it or the few controllers available for it. I don't need to worry about the newest iteration of the hardware breaking all of my games. I can easily install mods. And last, but not least: I can decide what I install on my OS myself, and am not limited to whatever the consoler manufacturer greenlights for use.

And still, consoles have a place, I find. But not when it comes to open world games... They're fine for FPS and TPS, for one thing. Controllers and slight aim assist work great when you're just shooting dudes. They also still have some games that offer split screen play, a feature I'm very much fond of having grown familiar with consoles in the PS(2) era. This is bound to be misunderstood, so I'll say the core argument again: Consoles are very restrictive in what they allow you, as a player, to do. Because of this, I think they are not very suited to Open World and especially sandbox games.