Like I said above, I'm not proud of THAT in particular. I more proud of resisting the pressure to see them.bojac6 said:
GREEDo Shoots First
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-Gobsmacked-GrinningManiac said:
Well, Greedo was a goon as well - but yeah...it's a writing convention rather than a physical argument.
And do you really want Lucas to return to his original script?
You know, the one that hints at under-age relationships (AGAIN)
Read the original [http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/swd1.shtml]
Now weep.
You missed a trick with this one:Grey Carter said:
'Damnit Greedo you're shooting like a Stormtrooper!'
Eitherway, funny stuff!
Well I don't care much about Star Wars, but I can see where people are coming from on this issue and as a writer Greedo shooting first doesn't make sense in the context of the plot. As stated by Boba Fett in Empire Strikes Back, he needed Solo alive and presumably so did Greedo. Him shooting to kill Han would be completely against the motivation of the character, he'd get no paycheck and being a bounty hunter that's not in keeping with the character. Writing that contradicts itself is never well received.GrinningManiac said:
That's really the only problem I have, but I don't care enough to get up in arms about it.
You don't have to go all the way to Star Wars Fandom to consider this change in the scene stupid. Here are two other reasons:
-Any re-release was in an attempt to make money. Do you think they earned that money by adding an additonal blast?
-That Greedo is supposed to be a professional killer. Yet he manages to NOT KILL a person sitting across a table from him... with a one-hit-kill-weapon... That's just silly. Not silly in the Ewooks way, but silly in the "Do you thing we are stupid?"-way.
-Any re-release was in an attempt to make money. Do you think they earned that money by adding an additonal blast?
-That Greedo is supposed to be a professional killer. Yet he manages to NOT KILL a person sitting across a table from him... with a one-hit-kill-weapon... That's just silly. Not silly in the Ewooks way, but silly in the "Do you thing we are stupid?"-way.
Because, while such a change (that is, Greedo shoots first) is generally consistent with what Han's character became as the franchise evolved, it seemed out of place with the character we are presented in A New Hope.GrinningManiac said:
Just examine the facts we know about Han if we examine the first movie by itself:
Han is a smuggler - a person for whom the petty restrictions of imperial law mean little.
Han is willing to do almost anything for money (except work for the Empire) making him a mercenary.
Han is known to have dumped cargo before being boarded in order to save his own skin.
Han keeps trying to extract himself from the deal made with Kin obi whenever possible only to change his mind at the last minute when the offer of payment increases.
At the end of the movie, Han has a change of heart and returns to help Luke make his run on the death star in spite of there being no hope of payment, thus placing the needs and interests of others above his own. This represents a change of character that (likely) resulted from his experiences over the course of the movie.
Now, we have a man who is clearly out for himself at every turn. Even his refusal to serve the Empire can be considered self serving. He is a man who has little regard for Imperial law. When faced with a mortal threat, do you really think such a man would let the other guy shoot first if he could do something about it?
At least that's why I didn't care for the change. I'm not up in arms about it or anything, but much of my distaste for Star Wars is firmly rooted in violations of character consistency (Just because I can drive a car does not mean I can fly an advanced fighter jet effectively in combat without training for example, no matter how awesome a car driver I am) or in scenarios where a character acts in a way that does not seem to mesh with the situation in which they find themselves, or deliver lines as though they are delivering lines (in other words, the acting was flat). The story arc in general, the universe, even the characters themselves are relatively interesting, enough that I've seen the movies and generally enjoyed them and played most of the games but that's about as far as I take it.
I agree with you. I can accept almost anything that happens in a sci-fi or fantasy film as long as it doesn't contradict itself.Enkidu88 said:
The whole "original vs remastered" thing has been blown out of proportion. All that was needed to be done was to improve the film quality and the special effects. That's it. Instead we got a version that changes things for no real reason. That may or may not matter to you, and that's fine.
It should be important to everybody that Han shoots first. It's of quintessential importance that Han is seen as completely without scruples to begin with. Just surviving for the moment, and lacking foresight beyond making a credit.Deathlyphil said:
That one little change completely alters the original character completely.
It should matter, because it's important #.# It's almost as if the character of Han Solo that is fleshed out was by accident given that george Lucas doesn't realize that the character itself is severely compromised by 'such a small change' ...
Can you sorta see why now? ;|