GREEDo Shoots First

[Tempest13]

If Greedo shoots first, then everything I know is a lie

 

[nipsen]

I always felt, once I discovered it, that the fact Han shoots first completely changes his character. The noble hero can't shoot first, it doesn't work that way. And from there on everything Han did appeared to have ulterior motives.

..I don't know.. I thought the opposite. Han is supposed to be a mercenary who really doesn't care about anything except himself - at least now. There could be reasons for that. Such as bad experiences with the Empire, maybe, that's hinted to in Empire Strikes Back. Some life-experiences he didn't care for. The point is that he's a real character, and he's eventually changing into something else - or maybe finding back some wish to fight - because of the ridiculous twins and the rebels.

When they made him shoot later, it just made him seem more passive. As if he just came along for the ride, and just happened to become a rebel. That made me see everything he did afterwards as less than genuine - because he doesn't change as a character. He's just a weasel in a uniform all of a sudden, who comes back to help them out because of a sense of guilt.

Blergh, basically..

 

[FaceFaceFace]

Still don't understand the significance of whatsisface shooting first or not. Why does it matter?

Because it turns Solo in to a justified wimp instead of a dangerous outlaw? I guess...

Pretty much. It defines Han's character for the first film. When he shoots first it shows that he is dangerous and unpredictable. Therefore Luke and Obi Wan have chosen the wrong person to protect them. It brings in uncertainty and doubt, and makes his transformation at the end of the film much more important.

I don't agree, and to be honest I think most of the complaints about the special edition of Star Wars is just pointless nitpicking and whining.

While Han not shooting first may make him seem slightly less unpredictable it doesn't really do anything to impact is overall character. I saw the special edition first, and then years later decided to check out the originals after hearing the Star Wars fanboys talk about how Lucas "had ruined Star Wars" with his Special edition, only to find myself watching the same movies again only with shitty special effects and some missing scenes.

People are being fooled by nostalgia, or they are just being fanboys. And then of course there are also those who enjoy bashing Lucas whenever they can, so they will bash the special edition as well.

I've always seen the problem as the fact that (sorry in advance for caps) THERE IS NO WAY GREEDO COULD'VE MISSED. Not to mention it makes Han an idiot rather than a nice guy. He'd be dead but for sheer dumb luck. It's not even a convincing change, which means it's a bad one. The addition of Jabba in IV, the extended wampa scene in V, the removal of visual hiccups throughout the special editions, all fine changes that improve the movies. Han shoots first is, however, a notably bad change.

 

[ffxfriek]

Still don't understand the significance of whatsisface shooting first or not. Why does it matter?

Because it turns Solo in to a justified wimp instead of a dangerous outlaw? I guess...

Pretty much. It defines Han's character for the first film. When he shoots first it shows that he is dangerous and unpredictable. Therefore Luke and Obi Wan have chosen the wrong person to protect them. It brings in uncertainty and doubt, and makes his transformation at the end of the film much more important.

I don't agree, and to be honest I think most of the complaints about the special edition of Star Wars is just pointless nitpicking and whining.

While Han not shooting first may make him seem slightly less unpredictable it doesn't really do anything to impact is overall character. I saw the special edition first, and then years later decided to check out the originals after hearing the Star Wars fanboys talk about how Lucas "had ruined Star Wars" with his Special edition, only to find myself watching the same movies again only with shitty special effects and some missing scenes.

People are being fooled by nostalgia, or they are just being fanboys. And then of course there are also those who enjoy bashing Lucas whenever they can, so they will bash the special edition as well.

Well I think that's just a matter of perspective. If you'd seen the originals first, like the people who take umbrage, you'd probably prefer them.

But honestly, the special editions have some truly horrendous additions in them that clearly demonstrate Lucas was going off the deep end.

For example, he felt this little gem [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pQzJlL1wqs&feature=related] was missing from the original and demanded insertion.

I think your little gem killed star wars for me...

 

[Wolcik]

That is all ^_^

Awesome.
Now I hope they remake the old starwars so prequals make any sense (j/k)