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I figured that since I'm turning this thing into a series of stories, to avoid cluttering other threads where I plan to post each part, I'd simply stick it all here in a new dedicated thread. Basically, a while back I wrote a short story for the Twisted Tales thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.160850?page=1], and figured I'd make a little series of tales. They're just adaptations of old fairytales, but with added twists, as it were ;). No doubt some of you have already seen my work somewhere. Anyway, this thread is basically an outlet for me to show my work and get some feedback if possible, and for people to comment and criticise (good or bad).

Red had always been told to stay out of the forest. She?d always stuck to that rule. Though her grandmother lived right in the middle, in a little old cottage surrounded by the trees, Red had never strayed off the beaten path. But she didn?t want to stick to rules forever. She was nineteen, she was a grown woman now. She didn?t need rules to keep her in check any more. So it was that she set off once more on her monthly visit to her grandmother. She was dressed in her normal gothic attire, with a red hood covering her long black hair, and carried the usual medicine and hamper, as always.

She knew it was wrong. She knew she shouldn?t do it. But Red didn?t care. For too long she?d lived by the rules of others. She wanted some fun and to see what was out there. So she left the path. Right there in the middle of the woods, she turned away from the track and entered the unknown.

It didn?t take long before she realised she was lost. There was nobody around to help, no signs to mark where she?d come from. Nothing but the same view of trees all around her. She sat down on a large tree stump and wondered what to do. She?d left her phone at home, she had no way of contacting anyone. There was nothing she could do.

?Excuse me, but I couldn?t help noticing you there alone. Are you lost?? The voice seemed to come from nowhere. Red looked around and noticed a beautiful girl, no older than Red herself, standing some distance away in the trees. The girl was the polar opposite of Red. Short, spiky blonde hair with a warm, open face. She wore dark heels with black leggings and a short 60?s style blue patterned dress. Very indie stereotype, Red thought. She walked across and sat down on the stump next to Red.
?Sorry if I startled you, you just seem like you might be lost.?
Despite having had the immortal lesson drummed in to her from an early age - don?t talk to strangers - Red felt oddly at ease. This girl didn?t seem like a bad sort, she looked around the same age as Red and seemed pretty friendly, if a little forward. ?Don?t worry about it,? she said. ?I, um, I was just on the path and I stepped off it for a moment. I?m sure I?ll be able to find my way back.?
?Are you certain? The woods are pretty big and the path?s not that easy to find. I can help if you want.?
Red was still a little unsure, though. She knew what her parents had always told her, and though she was now an adult she was still uneasy about placing her trust in a complete stranger. On the other hand, she was lost, and she didn?t know where the path was. Maybe this girl could help her.
?Okay, maybe I am lost. Do you know where to go from here??
The girl smiled, and stood up. She looked down at Red and said, ?It depends where you want to go.?
?What do you mean??
?Well, there are different paths, you see. The main path takes you to the town, or deeper into the woods. The other paths? well, who knows where they lead??
Maybe it was just her imagination, but Red felt that the last part of the sentence was a little sinister. Maybe it was just the words, or maybe it was the way the mystery girl had said it. But Red suddenly felt a chill in the air. She looked around nervously and gave a small shiver, something not lost on the newcomer.
?Something wrong??
?No, nothing.? Red wasn?t going to reveal her fears to a complete stranger. ?What?s your name, by the way??
?I should have mentioned that from the start, really, shouldn?t I? It?s Luna. You??
?I?m Scarlett, but all my friends just call me Red.?
?Red, huh? Nice name.? Luna smiled at this, then grabbed Red?s hand. ?How about we make a deal? You seem like a nice enough girl, Red. Where is it you want to go??
Red was suspicious, but she shrugged it off. ?I was heading to my grandmother?s house.?
?Oh, you mean the little cottage on the main path? I know where that is, I can get you there in about ten minutes, tops.?
?Really? What?s this deal then??
Luna smiled again, a secret smile that seemed to deny her friendly exterior. ?I can get you to where you want to go. But first, I want you to do something for me. Just one little thing.?
?And what?s that??
The smile became wider. ?A kiss. That?s all. Just a kiss.?
Red stood up and began to walk away. ?Forget it!? she called over her shoulder. ?Who the hell do you think you are? I can find my own bloody way, thank you very much.?
Luna watched her walk away. ?You?ll never find the path without my help! I?ll still be here when you decide to take me up on my little offer. Don?t worry, it won?t be as bad as it seems.?
Red stopped dead in her tracks. She knew that she wouldn?t be able to find her way back. She?d seen films like this, a bunch of students trapped in the woods, walking around in circles until they went mad with fear. She knew she had no choice. ?Do you seriously know where the path is??
?Of course. I wouldn?t say I did if I didn?t, now, would I??
?Well, I don?t know. I don?t know you. God, I don?t even know what the hell I?m doing here!? Red walked back to the stump and sat back down, with her head in her hands. ?Why did I have to leave the stupid bloody path, anyway? I should have just done what I was told to. But no, I had to leave the path, and now I?ve got some psycho lesbian blackmailing me for a stupid fucking kiss!?
Luna had been listening to Red?s rant in silence. Now she spoke up. ?It?s just one kiss, is that so hard? I promise you. I?ll take you to the path and I?ll leave you completely alone. Alright??
Red was in turmoil. She had to make a choice. After all, it was only a kiss. What harm could it do? ?God, I can?t believe I?m doing this. Alright. One kiss. That?s it.?
Luna smiled again, that same, strange smile that seemed to suggest a hint of darkness about her. ?Trust me. It?ll be enough.?

Luna leant forward and slipped her hands into Red?s open palms. She moved her head just a little closer to Red, her lips barely open and slightly pouting. Her mouth lightly brushed Red?s lower lip, just a touch. The kiss was tender, soft and gentle, nothing like Red had expected. She tried to pull away but found that she couldn?t. Luna?s kiss was like a drug that she couldn?t break free from, an addiction that slowly sucked her in until she lost herself in the feeling of euphoria. She was completely lost in the passion, an intense pleasure in the forbidden joys she was experiencing. Red had never thought she could feel like this before, least of all with another girl. It scared her, but at the same time, she was loving it. After what seemed like an age, yet still too soon, Luna pulled away and looked into Red?s eyes, smiling that smile again and holding her hands tightly. Red closed her eyes, wanting to relive the moment that had ended too quickly and feel the memory of that joy. Luna moved her lips close to Red?s ear and whispered, ?It doesn?t have to end. Not yet.?
Red smiled, matching Luna?s smile, and opened her eyes. ?What do you mean?? she whispered.
?There?s much more that I can show you. All you have to do is say the word. And I can teach you everything you want to know. I can make you feel so much more than this. All you need to do, is say yes.?
Red looked into Luna?s eyes and nodded, just once. ?Yes.? A whisper. Still holding Red?s hands, Luna drew them down to her breast, and slowly pulled the unresisting girl to the ground. Around them, the afternoon sun gradually began to fade.

Silence. When Red finally opened her eyes, she noticed an eerie silence, all around her. She looked around, but the dark was all-enveloping. Red remembered something, a fleeting memory from the day that seemed to fade as quickly as it had come to her. She tried to recall. She could remember a feeling, just a feeling of love and intense passion that had pervaded the entire afternoon. Her first and only love. She could remember fully now. She?d learned so much during the day, all other thoughts had been forgotten as she remembered the events of that perfect time. She?d never imagined in her wildest dreams (and they had been quite wild) that she would ever love another girl, nor that she would ever have that experience with a girl. Her first time. And it had been perfect.

As Red slowly recalled the memories from earlier, she began to realise something else, something important. Her grandmother! She had visited her grandmother in the forest cottage every month, on the same day, at the same time, for years. Ever since she was a little girl. It was night now, the forest was pitch black and the only light around was from a torch that Red?s mother had always made her carry. It was a precaution if she ever got lost and couldn?t get home before dark. Red checked the batteries and turned it on. It worked, thank God. She looked around and found she was alone, back on the path. Luna had kept her word then. The strange blonde girl had gone, vanished completely, but not before taking Red back to the path. Just as she?d said she would. Looking at the route ahead of her, she noticed a light through the trees. It had to be her grandmother?s cottage. Red set off at a run towards the light, knowing that her family would be worrying. She wasn?t far away from the cottage itself. Soon, she would be there.

Red reached the cottage in just a couple of minutes. But when she knocked on the door, there was no answer. Strange, she thought. And there was something else too. Red?s grandmother never left lights on in the house. She would always turn them off when leaving a room, to save on electricity bills. So why were so many lights turned on? Red started to worry. She took out the spare key from it?s hiding place in the flowerpot near the gate, and unlocked the front door. She wasn?t prepared for the sight that met her as she entered the building.

Blood was spattered on the walls. The floor was completely covered in gore, with puddles of blood everywhere. As Red walked around, she saw the same sight in the other rooms. Even upstairs, the sight was the same. The bathroom, the bedroom, even in the main kitchen. Visible on the furniture, draped over tables and chairs, were pieces of flesh, organs and lumps of meat. Red couldn?t take it any more. She stumbled outside to get some fresh air, but barely made it. As she ran out of the back door in the kitchen, she tripped on a lumpy mass that had been left strewn across the ground. She looked closer. It was her grandmother, the corpse ripped apart and the organs removed with a sharp knife. Lumps of flesh had been gouged out of the body?s arms and blood covered the remains so that they were just barely recognisable as Red?s grandmother. It was too much for Red. She ran to the well behind the house and vomited into the bucket that stood on top of the well cover. She kept vomiting until there was nothing left, until she was bringing up the acid in her stomach. Her throat hurt and she had nowhere to go but home. She didn?t have her phone, she couldn?t call for help. The cable for the landline inside the house had been cut. There was no way of contacting anybody. Red was completely alone.

She ran through the woods. She didn?t care about staying on the path anymore. She?d dropped her torch back at the house, but by now her eyes had adapted to the dark. She still couldn?t see much, but she could see just enough for her to avoid any major obstacles. Nevertheless, by the time she saw a light through the trees, like a campfire, Red was already bruised and scratched all over. She decided to head for the light. There had to be someone there who could help, someone with a phone perhaps, or who knew a way out of the forest. She moved into a clearing with an open fire in the middle. Red had no idea of the shock that she was about to receive.

Luna was there. Sitting alone by the fire, with her back to Red, she hadn?t noticed the bruised and bloody girl walking slowly towards her from behind. Red didn?t know what to say, what to do. The passion from hours before was all but forgotten, replaced by an insatiable curiosity and suspicion regarding Luna?s presence here. As Red moved closer to her she could see crimson spots on the bright blue dress the girl was wearing. She moved around, to stand between Luna and the fire.
?Why are you still here??
If Luna was alarmed by Red?s presence, she hid it well. ?So, you found me. Well done. Perhaps we can play again. I?m sure you enjoyed the - games - we played today, right??
?Where did you go when you left me?? Red wasn?t interested in idle chatter. She wanted answers. And she wanted them now.
?Cutting right to the chase. You weren?t so abrupt this afternoon. I enjoyed it more then. You?re no fun now.? Luna stifled a yawn and turned her back to Red and the fire, staring into the darkness.
?There?s blood on your dress, Luna. I want to know. Where did you go??
Luna waited for a few seconds, then turned back to look at Red, straight in the eyes. ?Did you enjoy the little gift I left you??
Red felt like tearing Luna?s arms from their sockets. She felt like ripping Luna limb from limb and spitting in her face, she wanted to destroy the girl who had made her feel love for the first time, for what the ***** had done. ?Who are you? Why did you kill my grandmother? What was she to you? Just give me a straight fucking answer! Tell me now, or I swear I?ll murder you right here, you fucking whore!? As she screamed at Luna, Red grabbed her by the shoulders and dragged her to her feet, shaking her with every word. All the while, Luna just stared blankly ahead, as if nothing Red did to her could possibly matter.
?It?s no use now, Red. What?s done is done. I know you took the knife. I know you want to use it. Go ahead. It doesn?t matter now.?
Red had gone back to the house after she?d been sick. It had taken every ounce of strength to force herself to go back in there, but she had. She?d taken a long kitchen knife for protection, since she had no idea what was waiting for her in the darkness. It was tucked into her belt, over the skirt. The strength it had taken to go back into that slaughterhouse was nothing compared to the restraint she now had to focus on to stop her from stabbing Luna to death.
?I?m not like you. I?m nothing like you!?
?Say what you like, Red. I know you. You?re like me. You always will be. And I know you want to rip me apart and throw the bits into the fire, so just do it. It won?t make things better. But it?s a start.? Luna spoke calmly, as though what she had done had no effect on her whatsoever. It was a testament to her strength of character that she could look Red in the eye and still say those words. She knew she was facing death. And she didn?t care.

It didn?t take long for Red to finish the job. She couldn?t hold back the rage any longer. By the end of it, Luna was nothing but a pile of limbs and organs piled up next to the fire. Just like Red?s grandmother. Red threw the bits into the fire, then curled up and wept.

When the search party came across the cottage they only had to take a single glimpse through the open front door to see the carnage that had taken place. Soon the police were undertaking a massive manhunt, searching for the missing girl and the brutal murderer. When rescuers came across the clearing with the fire still burning brightly in the early hours of the morning, they found a young woman in goth dress covered in blood, laughing hysterically in front of the flames. Beside her was a head, just a head with short, spiky blonde hair. The police arrived on the scene almost instantly. As the girl was led towards the waiting police car, nobody noticed a girl in a bright blue vintage dress, black leggings, and high heels, smiling and staring into the flames.

Please let me know what you think, and I'd really appreciate any constructive criticism and ideas for future tales :D.

EDIT: 6000th post, wooo :D
 

Trivun

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By the way, here's a brief glimpse of what's to come in Part Two:

Gretel lay awake staring into the darkness. Through the floor she could hear her parents arguing again. Things were always the same, every night, she?d lie in bed and listen to the raised voices from below. Things had never been this bad before, and it scared her.
It was the middle of summer, so naturally it was pretty hot. Gretel was nineteen, with long red hair, green eyes, and pale skin. She was quite tall, moderately pretty, but her looks had often earned her nothing but scorn from those who knew her. She?d endured school with good grace though, despite the constant taunts about her paleness and her hair colour. She was the sort of person to keep her feelings inside, rather than talking about them. Gretel had learned from an early age to stay hidden and to avoid unwanted attention.

In the room next to hers, Gretel?s brother was sleeping. Hansel and Gretel were twins, though they were nothing alike. They?d been named after the characters from the story, since it was the very first thing either of them remembered. Their father would read the fairytale to them every night before putting them to bed. Hansel was also tall, but with short black hair and dark eyes. He?d had a much easier ride through life than his sister, making friends easily and generally being able to deal with any tough situations by simply ignoring the problem until it went away. While Gretel worked hard and was quite the overachiever, Hansel just sailed through things and didn?t exactly worry too much about the future. University had never interested him. So it was a surprise to all when Gretel, who had been on course for a top place in Oxford or Cambridge, decided to take a gap year and stay home for a while. People then expected her to travel, maybe Europe or East Asia, but she just stayed home, working in the local shop and living an easy life. Hansel had never been interested in getting great grades, he didn?t care about exams or anything. He worked at the same shop as his sister and he?d been there for almost a year and a half now. Gretel, just as long. Any ambitions either of them may have had, however, had been put on hold with the recession.

When the credit crunch hit, the family had been hit pretty badly. Hansel and Gretel were lucky to keep their jobs, while their father was sacked from his managerial position with a local construction firm. Their mother, who worked as a secretary for the same company, was on reduced pay, and things had never been so bad for them. Now, every night, they?d argue about money and how they would support their children. Gretel had considered moving out, to make things easier, but her chance had gone. When she?d mentioned it to her parents, her mother had just stormed out and her father had told her to stop being so stupid. The truth was, in a small market town, there weren?t many opportunities for a young woman, and Gretel had given up her chance for a degree and a career. She?d have to wait another year before she could reapply to any universities, and competition would be fierce. So for now, she was stuck. Besides, she had far more pressing reasons to stay home. To stay with her family. To stay close to her brother?

?We can?t do this anymore. We have to think about the future.? Gretel?s mother was speaking now. ?Have you had any luck yet??
?No. There?s just nothing out there now, there?s nothing I can do anymore. My unemployment benefits run out next month, if I don?t find any work by then?? Gretel?s father had been trying to find work for almost six months now and yet there wasn?t anything left on the market. He knew there wouldn?t be any opportunities locally, but perhaps in one of the bigger towns, nearby?
?It?s not going to come to that. I?ve been thinking. We can?t afford to keep those two any longer.?
?What are you talking about? Are you saying we need to throw them out??
?Of course not. Come into the back room, these ceilings are much too thin??
The voices died away. Gretel had been listening to her parents talking every night for weeks, but she had never thought that they knew. She hadn?t realised her parents knew how thin the walls and ceilings were in their house. She put it out of mind, and let the darkness envelop her. Within five minutes she was fast asleep.

Gretel?s mother brought her husband into the dining room at the back of the house. It was directly under their own room, so it was much harder for their children to eavesdrop.
?The thing is, we can?t afford to keep them here any more. If Gretel had just accepted that offer from Oxford things would have been much easier. She?d have a student loan, she?d have a place to stay, and she wouldn?t be costing us every damn penny that we can spare.?
?What are you saying, dear? That we should throw Gretel out? If anything Hansel?s the one who costs us all the money we have. He just lounges around and does nothing, his job barely covers the internet bills he costs us?? Hansel was dearly loved by his father, as was Gretel. However, he was often a source of disappointment in his parents, especially because of his laziness.
?I?m not saying we need to throw either of them out. But if everything goes alright, they won?t be costing us anything again.? There was an ominous tone to her voice, that made her husband nervous.
?What are you talking about??
?You remember when we went to Cyprus five years ago? I took the opportunity to take out life insurance policies on the whole family. You remember, right??
?Yes, of course, you? wait, what are you suggesting??
?Me? I?m not suggesting anything. Except that, it might be better for us if that money was in our bank account, instead of sitting in some insurance company?s books, don?t you agree?? Gretel?s mother was now smiling at her husband, her eyes gleaming.
?Well, yes, of course, but even so? how are we supposed to get that money? It?s life insurance, and what you?re saying, it?s not like burning down a pub to claim the insurance. Do you realise what you?re saying??
?Of course I do. We need money, now. Things are bad, if you can?t find a job soon then we are going to starve. The government isn?t going to help, there are plenty of families even worse off than we are??
?Yes, but none of those families have to resort to murder!?
?Don?t think of it as murder. Think of it as? an investment.?
 

Soxafloppin

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Its pretty long dude, thats why people havent replied yet.

There reading it.

I am still am, il get to back to ya when im done.
 

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Trivun said:
So, nobody want to give me any criticism then? Huh...
I promise I'll read it when I've got time for but now I just want to say:
I was the wolf in my school's production of that. I was brilliant, apparently.
 

Trivun

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LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
Fair enough, that's your opinion and I respect that. How do you think I'd be able to improve it?
 

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Good story, really good stuff.

I took so long reading it is all, I don't want to be rude and not read it.
 

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LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
So, by Hollywood standards, he's right on track ;P
 

Spiner909

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Um. What? Why? Your first one makes no sense at all.
Who is Luna, why'd she kill someone, and she lived? WTF?

And the second one sounds just like:
Real life.
 

Trivun

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Spiner909 said:
Um. What? Why? Your first one makes no sense at all.
Who is Luna, why'd she kill someone, and she lived? WTF?

And the second one sounds just like:
Real life.
I appreciate what you're saying, it doesn't make much sense on it's own, but it's meant to be part of a whole wider mythology that I'm developing. It'll become clearer later on, mainly around the end of Part Four when I get around to writing it. I won't give away any details, but Luna isn't exactly what you'd call human. There's strong reason for her seducing Red, and for killing someone close to Red, which we'll see later on. She'll be back, you can count on that ;).

It sounds like real life now, but this is just the very start of Part Two. I highly doubt you get many people in real life who try and kill their kids for the life insurance, nor do you get many psychopathic teenagers... I'd better stop there ;D
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
You start off the story making it sound like a really cheap pornographic story, which turned me almost instantly off. It's not too great, either...
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Yeah, they both start off sounding like a really cheap porn story. I suggest you stop doing that for your future stories, as I am really getting turned away from them...
Okay, but I'm not really sure what you mean regarding 'cheap porn stories'. I made a point of trying to keep away from a 'porn' theme, especially considering that halfway through I had to be really careful in the writing to avoid the midle bit turning into a porno and keeping the sense of the story intact.

LordNue said:
Trivun said:
LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
Fair enough, that's your opinion and I respect that. How do you think I'd be able to improve it?
Make it less pointless in all respects, your characters are utterly unlikable and inane, they might as well both be the exact same character. The gore serves no point in the story, you clearly weren't trying to scare or disgust any readers because you describe it all in such a dull way, and it's just there because LOL BLOOD when you could describe a murder so much better without a pointlessly boring description of the blood.
Your descriptions fall flat and you tend to use the same words to describe things over and over, even in the same paragraph.
Okay then, I'll bear that in mind. As far as the characters go though, since both Red and Luna will play major parts in the rest of the ongoing story, I was actually aiming for them to be similar. Luna is basically meant to represent the Wolf from the original story, but she also acts as another side to Red that sort of drgas her along for the ride. Luna's pretty much the whole cause of what happens to Red from here on in.

As for the gore, I'll admit I'm not too good at writing horror. So I mainly tried to just describe it as what Red sees, since she's meant tobe quite a tough person, but I guess I failed miserably :s
 

Trivun

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LordNue said:
Trivun said:
JimmyBassatti said:
You start off the story making it sound like a really cheap pornographic story, which turned me almost instantly off. It's not too great, either...
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Yeah, they both start off sounding like a really cheap porn story. I suggest you stop doing that for your future stories, as I am really getting turned away from them...
Okay, but I'm not really sure what you mean regarding 'cheap porn stories'. I made a point of trying to keep away from a 'porn' theme, especially considering that halfway through I had to be really careful in the writing to avoid the midle bit turning into a porno and keeping the sense of the story intact.

LordNue said:
Trivun said:
LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
Fair enough, that's your opinion and I respect that. How do you think I'd be able to improve it?
Make it less pointless in all respects, your characters are utterly unlikable and inane, they might as well both be the exact same character. The gore serves no point in the story, you clearly weren't trying to scare or disgust any readers because you describe it all in such a dull way, and it's just there because LOL BLOOD when you could describe a murder so much better without a pointlessly boring description of the blood.
Your descriptions fall flat and you tend to use the same words to describe things over and over, even in the same paragraph.
Okay then, I'll bear that in mind. As far as the characters go though, since both Red and Luna will play major parts in the rest of the ongoing story, I was actually aiming for them to be similar. Luna is basically meant to represent the Wolf from the original story, but she also acts as another side to Red that sort of drgas her along for the ride. Luna's pretty much the whole cause of what happens to Red from here on in.

As for the gore, I'll admit I'm not too good at writing horror. So I mainly tried to just describe it as what Red sees, since she's meant tobe quite a tough person, but I guess I failed miserably :s
On the first quote: Go read some cheap porn stories and you'll see what he's talking about. It reads like poorly written porn story written by someone who wasn't very good at it. It's like that up until the murder, it's boring and will probably turn off a few readers.
As for the post directed at me, so you made a shoddy story with the over all theme of "IT WILL ALL MAKE SENSE LATER!" even though that later may never happen and people aren't reading that later story now, they are reading this first one. and it is piss poor thanks to all your LATER shit. You've effectively shot yourself in the knee because of all this, you left yourself with an uninteresting, plotless, pointless, useless and worthless story that has nothing good about it.
Okay, thank you very much. At first I thought that you were trying to be helpful, now I can see that you're just being a douche. You don't like it, that's fine. Not everybody will. But when I posted the first part on Deviant Art, this very site (in another thread), and on other writing sites, I had plenty of good feedback. I know that not everybody will like my work, that's perfectly fine. But there's absolutely no need, when I ask for constructive criticism, to start ranting and making thinly veiled attacks that give no fair consideration to offering some advice on what to do. First you were helpful. Now you're just being an arrogant idiot. Please go and flame someone else, not me. Consider yourself reported.

[small]DISCLAIMER: I understand that if anybody other than the person I quoted takes ofence, the mods may well see fit to punish me. I am fine with that. I still welcome any criticism regarding my work. However, try and be helpful. I don't exactly take kindly to people flaming me and generally being nasty and offering no solid opinion or advice regarding my work. Thank you.[/small]
 

Trivun

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JimmyBassatti said:
LordNue said:
On the first quote: Go read some cheap porn stories and you'll see what he's talking about. It reads like poorly written porn story written by someone who wasn't very good at it. It's like that up until the murder, it's boring and will probably turn off a few readers.
Exactly what I meant. If you go onto the many sites that have pornographic stories, you will find ones that are just terribly written. The beginning of both sounds like the beginning of one of those pornographic stories. Here, let me post a part of your stories.
Red had always been told to stay out of the forest. She'd always stuck to that rule. Though her grandmother lived right in the middle, in a little old cottage surrounded by the trees, Red had never strayed off the beaten path. But she didn't want to stick to rules forever. She was nineteen, she was a grown woman now. She didn't need rules to keep her in check any more. So it was that she set off once more on her monthly visit to her grandmother, taking the usual hamper and medicine, as always. She wore her usual outfit. A short black skirt and belt over red leggings, a red and black striped T-shirt, black boots, and her favourite red hood. She was tall with long, dark hair, and a slender build. A bit of a goth, really, but she was quite an attractive girl, her mother had always said. A pity that the guys she knew never seemed to notice, she thought.
It sounds like the set up for a story about forced sex set in the woods. Here is another part of your other story.
Gretel would often sleep without the covers, wearing nothing but her underwear and maybe a loose sheet on top. She was nineteen, with long red hair, green eyes, and pale skin. She was quite tall and very attractive, but her looks had often earned her nothing but scorn from those who knew her.
I can just imagine the story continuing with her starting to masturbate...

It really sends off the wrong messages when I am just reading the first paragraph to see if I'll like the story.
Ah, I see what you mean now. Yeah, fair enough. I was actually just trying to describe the characters, you see, since when I write I have a clear image in my head of what's going to happen, and what particular characters look like. So I tend to go a bit overboard with the description. For the first part, would it help if I changed it to something like:
Red had always been told to stay out of the forest. She'd always stuck to that rule. Though her grandmother lived right in the middle, in a little old cottage surrounded by the trees, Red had never strayed off the beaten path. But she didn't want to stick to rules forever. She was nineteen, she was a grown woman now. She didn't need rules to keep her in check any more. So it was that she set off once more on her monthly visit to her grandmother, taking the usual hamper and medicine, as always. She wore her usual gothic style, with a red hood to match.
And for the second part:

Gretel was nineteen, with long red hair, green eyes, and pale skin. She was quite tall and very attractive, but her looks had often earned her nothing but scorn from those who knew her.
That is, simply cutting out the first part of that description?
 

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LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
So, by Hollywood standards, he's right on track ;P
I think I agree with this. This would make a great blockbuster horror movie, you don't have to think on it much, it's got lesbians, blood guts and gore and a freak out ending. It just doesn't seem to have any substance to it.

This may sound quite harsh, and I?ve tried to make this as constructive as possible, so please do not be offended by my observations.

My main criticisms are that the overall use of language was pretty basic, the descriptions were Spartan in some places and overly used in others and the pacing and flow weren't quite right.

The only thing you really describe is what the two main characters are wearing and what the grandmothers? corpse looks like. Also, any character described as being 'a bit of a Goth' gives me immediate 'My Immortal' flashbacks, and that is never a good sign. Obviously, due to the nature of the story title you had to describe her clothing, but you dwell on it for far too long.

Your main villain is very stilted. She comes across as cliché and I'm guessing there's meant to be an air of either mystery or danger about her, but by mentioning that she sounds sinister in your writing itself, it destroys any attempt at atmosphere. I'd advise trying to make her a lot more subtle and manipulative.

Your main characters reason for straying off the path is incomprehensible. She's sick of listening to others rules, but why? What is her motivation? You've not given the impression that she's suppressed by society or a particular role, she doesn't seem smothered by anything other than a feeling of inadequacy with men which you've given no explanation for other than, so it seems, to try and make your character sympathetic, which doesn't pan out. In making the story more complex, you've made it harder to suspend disbelief.

Other than that, your story feels rushed due to how much you've tried to push into it and keep the word count down. The original story had four main segments, girl goes to see grandma, meets wolf, finds grandma has been eaten by the wolf, gets rescued from wolf by random woodcutter.

Yours is more convoluted, and any real message you?ve tried to convey, the very heart of a fairytale, is lost in lesbian kisses and gore. Sure you?ve made it twisted as you say, but the beauty of the original thing was in its simplicity, which is something your story lacks.

This last point may just be something which I?ve missed, or a plot point I?ve misunderstood, but the ending makes little to no sense. Sure it?s creepy to have a girl you?ve just killed be alive at the end, but other than giving Luna a strange name and calling her intentions sinful, you?ve shown no sign that she?s anything other than a psychopathic girl. For all your descriptions of the characters dress sense, you never mentioned if she had any supernatural features, or expanded on the wolf allegory.

Please feel free to contact me about any of my comments.
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
Trivun said:
JimmyBassatti said:
LordNue said:
On the first quote: Go read some cheap porn stories and you'll see what he's talking about. It reads like poorly written porn story written by someone who wasn't very good at it. It's like that up until the murder, it's boring and will probably turn off a few readers.
Exactly what I meant. If you go onto the many sites that have pornographic stories, you will find ones that are just terribly written. The beginning of both sounds like the beginning of one of those pornographic stories. Here, let me post a part of your stories.
Red had always been told to stay out of the forest. She'd always stuck to that rule. Though her grandmother lived right in the middle, in a little old cottage surrounded by the trees, Red had never strayed off the beaten path. But she didn't want to stick to rules forever. She was nineteen, she was a grown woman now. She didn't need rules to keep her in check any more. So it was that she set off once more on her monthly visit to her grandmother, taking the usual hamper and medicine, as always. She wore her usual outfit. A short black skirt and belt over red leggings, a red and black striped T-shirt, black boots, and her favourite red hood. She was tall with long, dark hair, and a slender build. A bit of a goth, really, but she was quite an attractive girl, her mother had always said. A pity that the guys she knew never seemed to notice, she thought.
It sounds like the set up for a story about forced sex set in the woods. Here is another part of your other story.
Gretel would often sleep without the covers, wearing nothing but her underwear and maybe a loose sheet on top. She was nineteen, with long red hair, green eyes, and pale skin. She was quite tall and very attractive, but her looks had often earned her nothing but scorn from those who knew her.
I can just imagine the story continuing with her starting to masturbate...

It really sends off the wrong messages when I am just reading the first paragraph to see if I'll like the story.
Ah, I see what you mean now. Yeah, fair enough. I was actually just trying to describe the characters, you see, since when I write I have a clear image in my head of what's going to happen, and what particular characters look like. So I tend to go a bit overboard with the description. For the first part, would it help if I changed it to something like:
Red had always been told to stay out of the forest. She'd always stuck to that rule. Though her grandmother lived right in the middle, in a little old cottage surrounded by the trees, Red had never strayed off the beaten path. But she didn't want to stick to rules forever. She was nineteen, she was a grown woman now. She didn't need rules to keep her in check any more. So it was that she set off once more on her monthly visit to her grandmother, taking the usual hamper and medicine, as always. She wore her usual gothic style, with a red hood to match.
And for the second part:

Gretel was nineteen, with long red hair, green eyes, and pale skin. She was quite tall and very attractive, but her looks had often earned her nothing but scorn from those who knew her.
That is, simply cutting out the first part of that description?
Cut out attractive, and such from them. That is what also gives the thought of a cheap porno. Remove the attractive from the second story, and it's good.

Sure, you need to describe characters, but you don't need to go overboard. The Splinter Cell novel was amazing to me, and it did little to describe the characters, and it didn't go extremely in depth when describing the sex about half way through. The book assumed you've played the Splinter Cell games, and figure'd you knew what Sam and Lambert and such looked like.

Since your series is new, you need to do a little more, but don't go overboard, to the point where you are detailing every little bit of the uterus. Hair color, skin color, eye color, height, weight, ethnicity, age, and gender are all that is needed. If you do that, you lay the basic ground work for a character, and let the reader fill in the rest with how they want the character to look. You may want your character to look like this, but unless it is important to the plot (Race issues, gender issues, etc.), you don't need to tell us about every inch of them.
No problem, thanks for the advice :)
 

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LordNue said:
Erja_Perttu said:
lvl9000_woot said:
LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
So, by Hollywood standards, he's right on track ;P
I think I agree with this. This would make a great blockbuster horror movie, you don't have to think on it much, it's got lesbians, blood guts and gore and a freak out ending. It just doesn't seem to have any substance to it.

This may sound quite harsh, and I?ve tried to make this as constructive as possible, so please do not be offended by my observations.

My main criticisms are that the overall use of language was pretty basic, the descriptions were Spartan in some places and overly used in others and the pacing and flow weren't quite right.

The only thing you really describe is what the two main characters are wearing and what the grandmothers? corpse looks like. Also, any character described as being 'a bit of a Goth' gives me immediate 'My Immortal' flashbacks, and that is never a good sign. Obviously, due to the nature of the story title you had to describe her clothing, but you dwell on it for far too long.

Your main villain is very stilted. She comes across as cliché and I'm guessing there's meant to be an air of either mystery or danger about her, but by mentioning that she sounds sinister in your writing itself, it destroys any attempt at atmosphere. I'd advise trying to make her a lot more subtle and manipulative.

Your main characters reason for straying off the path is incomprehensible. She's sick of listening to others rules, but why? What is her motivation? You've not given the impression that she's suppressed by society or a particular role, she doesn't seem smothered by anything other than a feeling of inadequacy with men which you've given no explanation for other than, so it seems, to try and make your character sympathetic, which doesn't pan out. In making the story more complex, you've made it harder to suspend disbelief.

Other than that, your story feels rushed due to how much you've tried to push into it and keep the word count down. The original story had four main segments, girl goes to see grandma, meets wolf, finds grandma has been eaten by the wolf, gets rescued from wolf by random woodcutter.

Yours is more convoluted, and any real message you?ve tried to convey, the very heart of a fairytale, is lost in lesbian kisses and gore. Sure you?ve made it twisted as you say, but the beauty of the original thing was in its simplicity, which is something your story lacks.

This last point may just be something which I?ve missed, or a plot point I?ve misunderstood, but the ending makes little to no sense. Sure it?s creepy to have a girl you?ve just killed be alive at the end, but other than giving Luna a strange name and calling her intentions sinful, you?ve shown no sign that she?s anything other than a psychopathic girl. For all your descriptions of the characters dress sense, you never mentioned if she had any supernatural features, or expanded on the wolf allegory.

Please feel free to contact me about any of my comments.
Looks like he's going to ignore you too for not sucking his e-cock while you criticize his work.
Oh well. I said what I thought. Whilst I'll admit I'm not a perfect critic, I did take an English literature course, so I believe my points are valid.

However concerning his rebuke about how much criticism he's receiving here compared to other sites, I'm not sure deviantart as whole is the best judge of work, considering that the majority of the audience there seem to think that 'yaoi' is 'kawaii'.
 

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LordNue said:
Erja_Perttu said:
lvl9000_woot said:
LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
So, by Hollywood standards, he's right on track ;P
I think I agree with this. This would make a great blockbuster horror movie, you don't have to think on it much, it's got lesbians, blood guts and gore and a freak out ending. It just doesn't seem to have any substance to it.

This may sound quite harsh, and I?ve tried to make this as constructive as possible, so please do not be offended by my observations.

My main criticisms are that the overall use of language was pretty basic, the descriptions were Spartan in some places and overly used in others and the pacing and flow weren't quite right.

The only thing you really describe is what the two main characters are wearing and what the grandmothers? corpse looks like. Also, any character described as being 'a bit of a Goth' gives me immediate 'My Immortal' flashbacks, and that is never a good sign. Obviously, due to the nature of the story title you had to describe her clothing, but you dwell on it for far too long.

Your main villain is very stilted. She comes across as cliché and I'm guessing there's meant to be an air of either mystery or danger about her, but by mentioning that she sounds sinister in your writing itself, it destroys any attempt at atmosphere. I'd advise trying to make her a lot more subtle and manipulative.

Your main characters reason for straying off the path is incomprehensible. She's sick of listening to others rules, but why? What is her motivation? You've not given the impression that she's suppressed by society or a particular role, she doesn't seem smothered by anything other than a feeling of inadequacy with men which you've given no explanation for other than, so it seems, to try and make your character sympathetic, which doesn't pan out. In making the story more complex, you've made it harder to suspend disbelief.

Other than that, your story feels rushed due to how much you've tried to push into it and keep the word count down. The original story had four main segments, girl goes to see grandma, meets wolf, finds grandma has been eaten by the wolf, gets rescued from wolf by random woodcutter.

Yours is more convoluted, and any real message you?ve tried to convey, the very heart of a fairytale, is lost in lesbian kisses and gore. Sure you?ve made it twisted as you say, but the beauty of the original thing was in its simplicity, which is something your story lacks.

This last point may just be something which I?ve missed, or a plot point I?ve misunderstood, but the ending makes little to no sense. Sure it?s creepy to have a girl you?ve just killed be alive at the end, but other than giving Luna a strange name and calling her intentions sinful, you?ve shown no sign that she?s anything other than a psychopathic girl. For all your descriptions of the characters dress sense, you never mentioned if she had any supernatural features, or expanded on the wolf allegory.

Please feel free to contact me about any of my comments.
Looks like he's going to ignore you too for not sucking his e-cock while you criticize his work.
Oh, just go away before I get the mods involved, please? I don't particularly want this thread locked, and I don't want to be put on probation, but seriously, shut up. Just because I don't reply to every single criticism doesn't mean I don't take on board what's been said. At least some people are being sensible and posting good advice, like JimmyBassatti and Erja_Perttu. One more flameworthy comment from you and I'm letting the mods know.
 

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Erja_Perttu said:
LordNue said:
Erja_Perttu said:
lvl9000_woot said:
LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
So, by Hollywood standards, he's right on track ;P
I think I agree with this. This would make a great blockbuster horror movie, you don't have to think on it much, it's got lesbians, blood guts and gore and a freak out ending. It just doesn't seem to have any substance to it.

This may sound quite harsh, and I?ve tried to make this as constructive as possible, so please do not be offended by my observations.

My main criticisms are that the overall use of language was pretty basic, the descriptions were Spartan in some places and overly used in others and the pacing and flow weren't quite right.

The only thing you really describe is what the two main characters are wearing and what the grandmothers? corpse looks like. Also, any character described as being 'a bit of a Goth' gives me immediate 'My Immortal' flashbacks, and that is never a good sign. Obviously, due to the nature of the story title you had to describe her clothing, but you dwell on it for far too long.

Your main villain is very stilted. She comes across as cliché and I'm guessing there's meant to be an air of either mystery or danger about her, but by mentioning that she sounds sinister in your writing itself, it destroys any attempt at atmosphere. I'd advise trying to make her a lot more subtle and manipulative.

Your main characters reason for straying off the path is incomprehensible. She's sick of listening to others rules, but why? What is her motivation? You've not given the impression that she's suppressed by society or a particular role, she doesn't seem smothered by anything other than a feeling of inadequacy with men which you've given no explanation for other than, so it seems, to try and make your character sympathetic, which doesn't pan out. In making the story more complex, you've made it harder to suspend disbelief.

Other than that, your story feels rushed due to how much you've tried to push into it and keep the word count down. The original story had four main segments, girl goes to see grandma, meets wolf, finds grandma has been eaten by the wolf, gets rescued from wolf by random woodcutter.

Yours is more convoluted, and any real message you?ve tried to convey, the very heart of a fairytale, is lost in lesbian kisses and gore. Sure you?ve made it twisted as you say, but the beauty of the original thing was in its simplicity, which is something your story lacks.

This last point may just be something which I?ve missed, or a plot point I?ve misunderstood, but the ending makes little to no sense. Sure it?s creepy to have a girl you?ve just killed be alive at the end, but other than giving Luna a strange name and calling her intentions sinful, you?ve shown no sign that she?s anything other than a psychopathic girl. For all your descriptions of the characters dress sense, you never mentioned if she had any supernatural features, or expanded on the wolf allegory.

Please feel free to contact me about any of my comments.
Looks like he's going to ignore you too for not sucking his e-cock while you criticize his work.
Oh well. I said what I thought. Whilst I'll admit I'm not a perfect critic, I did take an English literature course, so I believe my points are valid.

However concerning his rebuke about how much criticism he's receiving here compared to other sites, I'm not sure deviantart as whole is the best judge of work, considering that the majority of the audience there seem to think that 'yaoi' is 'kawaii'.
No, don't worry, I did take your comments on board, and I think you're being pretty honest and you do make some good points. I've got a master copy of the story saved on my PC that I'm editing, so not all changes made to that are going to be put up here, else it'd take too long. The guy who quoted you is just annoyed because he decided to flame me instead of offering any sort of advice, and I called him out on it. But thank you for your feedback, it's much appreciated :)
 

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Trivun said:
Erja_Perttu said:
LordNue said:
Erja_Perttu said:
lvl9000_woot said:
LordNue said:
Eh it's not very good. You take the name and basic idea behind a good story and turn it into something terrible.
So, by Hollywood standards, he's right on track ;P
I think I agree with this. This would make a great blockbuster horror movie, you don't have to think on it much, it's got lesbians, blood guts and gore and a freak out ending. It just doesn't seem to have any substance to it.

This may sound quite harsh, and I?ve tried to make this as constructive as possible, so please do not be offended by my observations.

My main criticisms are that the overall use of language was pretty basic, the descriptions were Spartan in some places and overly used in others and the pacing and flow weren't quite right.

The only thing you really describe is what the two main characters are wearing and what the grandmothers? corpse looks like. Also, any character described as being 'a bit of a Goth' gives me immediate 'My Immortal' flashbacks, and that is never a good sign. Obviously, due to the nature of the story title you had to describe her clothing, but you dwell on it for far too long.

Your main villain is very stilted. She comes across as cliché and I'm guessing there's meant to be an air of either mystery or danger about her, but by mentioning that she sounds sinister in your writing itself, it destroys any attempt at atmosphere. I'd advise trying to make her a lot more subtle and manipulative.

Your main characters reason for straying off the path is incomprehensible. She's sick of listening to others rules, but why? What is her motivation? You've not given the impression that she's suppressed by society or a particular role, she doesn't seem smothered by anything other than a feeling of inadequacy with men which you've given no explanation for other than, so it seems, to try and make your character sympathetic, which doesn't pan out. In making the story more complex, you've made it harder to suspend disbelief.

Other than that, your story feels rushed due to how much you've tried to push into it and keep the word count down. The original story had four main segments, girl goes to see grandma, meets wolf, finds grandma has been eaten by the wolf, gets rescued from wolf by random woodcutter.

Yours is more convoluted, and any real message you?ve tried to convey, the very heart of a fairytale, is lost in lesbian kisses and gore. Sure you?ve made it twisted as you say, but the beauty of the original thing was in its simplicity, which is something your story lacks.

This last point may just be something which I?ve missed, or a plot point I?ve misunderstood, but the ending makes little to no sense. Sure it?s creepy to have a girl you?ve just killed be alive at the end, but other than giving Luna a strange name and calling her intentions sinful, you?ve shown no sign that she?s anything other than a psychopathic girl. For all your descriptions of the characters dress sense, you never mentioned if she had any supernatural features, or expanded on the wolf allegory.

Please feel free to contact me about any of my comments.
Looks like he's going to ignore you too for not sucking his e-cock while you criticize his work.
Oh well. I said what I thought. Whilst I'll admit I'm not a perfect critic, I did take an English literature course, so I believe my points are valid.

However concerning his rebuke about how much criticism he's receiving here compared to other sites, I'm not sure deviantart as whole is the best judge of work, considering that the majority of the audience there seem to think that 'yaoi' is 'kawaii'.
No, don't worry, I did take your comments on board, and I think you're being pretty honest and you do make some good points. I've got a master copy of the story saved on my PC that I'm editing, so not all changes made to that are going to be put up here, else it'd take too long. The guy who quoted you is just annoyed because he decided to flame me instead of offering any sort of advice, and I called him out on it. But thank you for your feedback, it's much appreciated :)
No problems!

LordNue said:
Your story is too short for what you want it to be. It reads more like the first chapter of a novel then a short story.
I don't think I mentioned this, but Lord Nue has a good point here. Expansion would probably do your story some good, especially if you are looking to start a mythology. A few more hints as too a bigger picture rather than a huge neon sign at the end (Luna still being alive) I think would improve the atmoshpere as well.