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Theo Samaritan

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right so i i have installed gta4 on my pc only to find its telling me my system isnt strong enough its gotten rid of the ingame hud and menus and is not showing the sky and random black blotches show up.

what im trying to say really is WTF is going on and is there anyway i can fix this?
Yes.

Patch it up to the latest version, and...

Read the game requirements before you buy one and ***** about how it wont run.

Remember, recommended settings = required settings on pretty much every game released. Bare this in mind.

GTAIV is known to be a system hog - its not the best port in the world. It's not bad, its method of porting makes sense (it uses three cores of a quad core CPU, which is reminiscent of the 360's tri-core setup), but if you don't have a quad core CPU, at least 3 gigs of RAM and a very up-to-date graphics card (we're talking ATI's 4850/4870 or nVidia's GX2 series here) then don't expect to run it maxed at a high frame rate.

I manage to run it at high texture settings settings fine on an 8800GT with a gig of GDDR. My bottleneck is actually my dual core CPU, if I get a quad to replace it then my performance will go up significantly, and I will be happy with 40fps like I am with all my other games (currently running at 20 to 30 depending on where I am and how much calculating my CPU has to do).

Oh, and GTAIV looks a fair bit better than Fallout 3, but you probably can't tell as you can't run it at settings high enough for you to see it.

EDIT: That last paragraph sounded fanboy, I am not, I own both, love them both, I just feel that in many instances, GTAIV looks better.
 

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right so i i have installed gta4 on my pc only to find its telling me my system isnt strong enough its gotten rid of the ingame hud and menus and is not showing the sky and random black blotches show up.

now i know my system is not weak it runs fallout 3 in a better way than the 360 and ps3 does, i can even have a mob of 100's of enemys without problems at the highest setting.and really fallout 3 has better graphics than gta 4

what im trying to say really is WTF is going on and is there anyway i can fix this?
Alright, I'm going to be the first person to actually offer some help. I'm paraphrasing from a copy of a PC mag I have on my desk in front of me. The rig they use has an 8800GT, so not the newest ever.

CustomPC issue 066 said:
It enforces use of Microsoft's still clunky Games For Windows Live and Rockstar Social Club, and as benefits its status as a port of a game first released on the xbox 360 and PS3, it doesn't provide you with a great deal of control over how the game looks. For example, there's no option to add or remove anti-aliasing- an element that's sorely missed, as the game suffered badly from jagged edges on our test rig. The graphics options in the game appear capped at a level determined by the game's appraisal of the resources your PC offers.

The detail settings are only locked if you play by the rules, though. To get around the restrictions, create a new shortcut for GTA4, rick click on it and select properties. Add the text '-norestriction' to the end of the target line and start the game from that shortcut. This allows you to set the detail settings higher, but it won't make the game any less demanding for your PC.

GTA4 capped our GeForce 8800GT-equipped test machine at a resolution of 1680x1050, and also decided that texture quality shouldn't go above medium while the render quality- which appears to be another term for anisotropic filtering- was capped at high. There are also four distance and density settings. These comprise view distance (set at 25), detail distance (37), vehicle density (26) and shadow density (3).

Despite these settings, the game ran poorly... ...After some experimenting, we found that view distance, detail distance, and vehicle density could be set to 10 without object popping up abruptly, while shadow density could be dropped to 1 without much difference. These changes added 3fps to the minimum frame rate- raising it to 22, and increased the average by 6fps to 31fps.

Dropping texture quality to low added only 1fps to our minimum frame rate, and nothing tot he average. Changing the render quality made no difference to performance whatsoever, even when it was on low. Reducing distance and density settings further resulted in everything from cars to old ladies popping into existence right next to our character.

It was clear that we were going to have to drop the resolution. At 1280x1024 (the native resolution of a 17inch display), we increased the minimum by another 1fps. The game was already in desperate need of AA, so we didn't want to drop it any further. However, further resolution drops made no difference to the frame rate, so we were stuck just shy of a playable frame rate [of 25fps,] at 24fps.

...

GTA4 is clearly a CPU-intensive game, and a 3GHz dual-core CPU was obviously a bottleneck, so our graphics tweaking [overclocking mentioned in the missing para]. If you have an Intel Core 2 Due and want to play GTA4, this is another great reason to overclock.

With a 3GHz dual-core CPU, we saw a 19fps minimum and a 25fps average. We then decided to find out how the game responded to a quad core CPU. Using the same components, except for the CPU, which was swapped for a quad core Core 2 Quad Q9300 also clocked at 3GHz, the results increased to a 26fps minimum and a 38fps average.

If you have an older LGA775 CPU and mid range-graphics card that struggles to play the game, but you can't afford to upgrade to Core i7 yet, and Intel Core 2 Quad could be just what you need to make your criminal explosions smoother.
They also included a small image to summarise it:

^Better Looking.
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|Better Visuals
|Disable Graphics Restrictions. Create a new shortcut for GTA4, right click on it and select properties. Next add the text '-norestriction' to the |end of the target line. While this might make the game look great, you'll need a PC with serious horsepower to run it smoothly.
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|Faster.
|View distance, detail distance, vehicle density, and shadow density have a big impact on the frame rate, but dropping them to below 10,10,10, |and 1 respectively makes objects appear out of no-where when they're quite close.
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|Faster Still.
|Overclock your CPU. GTA4 is a CPU-intensive game. If you have a stock-speed, or only marginally overclocked Intel Core 2 CPU, a bigger |overclock will help.
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|Fastest.
|Sadly, you'll need to upgrade to a quad core CPU. Our tests showed that if you have a relatively new graphics card, but are still struggling to |achieve a playable frame rate, then an Intel Core 2 Quad will provide the best results.
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vFaster.
Spirit_Of_Fire said:
Sucks for you having a PC. At least with a console we dont have to constantly upgrade parts of our console at an expensive price.
What an enlightening contribution, you know what you should be? A nurse! That's how amazingly helpful you are!
 

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Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
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Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
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Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
First of all im not a fanboy. I have a pc,360 and ps3. Im just saying that the sixaxis is once again useless and the shoulder buttons are shit. The xbox version is the best because of no stupid controls and exclusive dlc. Is that enough evidence for you?
How could u bring Sixaxis into it, u dont even use Sixaxis in GTA4, the shoulder buttons have no problems and the controls are better on the PS3, so dont chat shit and as for the DLC, no big loss, it is only a matter of time before the PS3 goes beyond everything in the console market, so MS can just waste money trying to secure exclusive DLC.
Thats what i mean THERE IS NO USE OF SIXAXIS. Meaning that it is useless. Its one of the main features in the PS3 but hardly any games use it to its potential.
So, u cant really use sixaxis as an excuse coz it wasn't even involved in the game and really, I would prefer the sixaxis doesn't exist and Sony just forget about it and make games that dont have to have it.
 

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Aesthetical Quietus said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
First of all im not a fanboy. I have a pc,360 and ps3. Im just saying that the sixaxis is once again useless and the shoulder buttons are shit. The xbox version is the best because of no stupid controls and exclusive dlc. Is that enough evidence for you?
How could u bring Sixaxis into it, u dont even use Sixaxis in GTA4, the shoulder buttons have no problems and the controls are better on the PS3, so dont chat shit and as for the DLC, no big loss, it is only a matter of time before the PS3 goes beyond everything in the console market, so MS can just waste money trying to secure exclusive DLC.
I know he said it first, but which controls are better are simply a matter of opinion. I myself hate the new PS3 controller, and would much rather use the PS2 one, but it's still better than the old xBox controller, boy I hated that thing.
Personally, I think the PC's controls are better, but that's just because I hate using console controllers to play games.

I'd like to know what you think the PS3 is going to kill the 360 with(well sort of, since I'm really quite frankly mutual in the area).
Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, MAG, Infamous, God Of War 3 and a few more exclusives planned that I cant think of at the moment. Also, I aint arguing, but why do alot of people like the PC controls???
 

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WrongSprite said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
Give me spelling and politeness to back up your spelling and politeness and I might take you seriously.
Ok, what would u like to say about this discussion??? =)
 

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Reg5879 said:
WrongSprite said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
Give me spelling and politeness to back up your spelling and politeness and I might take you seriously.
Ok, what would u like to say about this discussion??? =)
I'm sorry, what is "u"?
 

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Reg5879 said:
vampirekid.13 said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
microsoft payed rockstar for them to have extra content on the 360, so they did, the 360 one is indeed full of extra content that the ps3 one does not have accessible at all.
No point worrying about DLC coz we all know MS need it coz they know they have the inferior system, i'm looking forward to PS3 exclusives.
I dunno if you're a fanboy or a troll but I'm not going to bother arguing if all you do is praise how good the PS3 is. It's not the system that makes the games fun, it's the games that make the system fun. So enjoy arguing with no one with triple posting.
 

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Theo Samaritan said:
kwdav said:
right so i i have installed gta4 on my pc only to find its telling me my system isnt strong enough its gotten rid of the ingame hud and menus and is not showing the sky and random black blotches show up.

what im trying to say really is WTF is going on and is there anyway i can fix this?
Yes.

Patch it up to the latest version, and...

Read the game requirements before you buy one and ***** about how it wont run.

Remember, recommended settings = required settings on pretty much every game released. Bare this in mind.

GTAIV is known to be a system hog - its not the best port in the world. It's not bad, its method of porting makes sense (it uses three cores of a quad core CPU, which is reminiscent of the 360's tri-core setup), but if you don't have a quad core CPU, at least 3 gigs of RAM and a very up-to-date graphics card (we're talking ATI's 4850/4870 or nVidia's GX2 series here) then don't expect to run it maxed at a high frame rate.

I manage to run it at high texture settings settings fine on an 8800GT with a gig of GDDR. My bottleneck is actually my dual core CPU, if I get a quad to replace it then my performance will go up significantly, and I will be happy with 40fps like I am with all my other games (currently running at 20 to 30 depending on where I am and how much calculating my CPU has to do).

Oh, and GTAIV looks a fair bit better than Fallout 3, but you probably can't tell as you can't run it at settings high enough for you to see it.

EDIT: That last paragraph sounded fanboy, I am not, I own both, love them both, I just feel that in many instances, GTAIV looks better.
ok you good sir are a dick and thanks to none of you fanboys i fixed it myself . insulting me by stating i hadnt read the requirements and that im running fallout 3 on the highest i can see it well i say fuck you

to summarise i can play crysis on high i can play fallout3 on the highest i have never had graphical problems until gta 4, you are the least helpful person on here i asked for help not insults

also people leave this fanboy shit out please its sad

even though i had fixed the problem before the post thanks to danny ocean the only person actually trying to help, thanks guys thank you so much for all youre hateful comments to a request for help you are brilliant people
 

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ok you good sir are a dick and thanks to none of you fanboys i fixed it myself . insulting me by stating i hadnt read the requirements and that im running fallout 3 on the highest i can see it well i say fuck you
Hang on. My post was filled with useful information about GTAIV's bottleneck and what it really takes to run, and you call me a dick and take it as a personal insult to your existence. So I made a one-lined comment (that was, incidently, not meant as an insult), big deal, that's nothing compared to the rest of the shit in this thread. Why am I on the end of this? If I want to insult you, I do it properly.
 

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Theo Samaritan" post="9.112963.2028830 said:
Patch it up to the latest version, and...

Read the game requirements before you buy one and ***** about how it wont run.

Remember, recommended settings = required settings on pretty much every game released. Bare this in mind.

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thats an insult i read the requirements and by all logic my pc should have been handling it well and yes i realise everyone else is being a dick but yours seemed to stadn out as a personal attack compared to the rest of the "0MFGZ get a fukin xbox or yoo sukz ballz2 comments oh and for the record to anyone who says get an xbox already got one prefer the pc
 

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WrongSprite said:
Reg5879 said:
WrongSprite said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
Give me spelling and politeness to back up your spelling and politeness and I might take you seriously.
Ok, what would u like to say about this discussion??? =)
I'm sorry, what is "u"?
Never mind.
 

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Snotnarok said:
Reg5879 said:
vampirekid.13 said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
microsoft payed rockstar for them to have extra content on the 360, so they did, the 360 one is indeed full of extra content that the ps3 one does not have accessible at all.
No point worrying about DLC coz we all know MS need it coz they know they have the inferior system, i'm looking forward to PS3 exclusives.
I dunno if you're a fanboy or a troll but I'm not going to bother arguing if all you do is praise how good the PS3 is. It's not the system that makes the games fun, it's the games that make the system fun. So enjoy arguing with no one with triple posting.
I'm a fanboy because I choose to be a fanboy, I hate the Xbox 360 because I choose to, it is what makes us human, choices. Quite frankly, I dont have to like the 360 and all I did was defend the console I choose to like above the others, the PS3.
 

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Reg5879 said:
Snotnarok said:
Reg5879 said:
vampirekid.13 said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
microsoft payed rockstar for them to have extra content on the 360, so they did, the 360 one is indeed full of extra content that the ps3 one does not have accessible at all.
No point worrying about DLC coz we all know MS need it coz they know they have the inferior system, i'm looking forward to PS3 exclusives.
I dunno if you're a fanboy or a troll but I'm not going to bother arguing if all you do is praise how good the PS3 is. It's not the system that makes the games fun, it's the games that make the system fun. So enjoy arguing with no one with triple posting.
I'm a fanboy because I choose to be a fanboy, I hate the Xbox 360 because I choose to, it is what makes us human, choices. Quite frankly, I dont have to like the 360 and all I did was defend the console I choose to like above the others, the PS3.

Like what you like, but bashing a console for no reason, and praising another is absurd. I'm not defending the 360 or mocking the PS3, they're both quality systems. Isn't it okay to say that GTA IV is great on either console? It's the game that's fun, not the system, if playing a game on a different system bothers you then I really don't understand where you're coming from. But fanboy isn't a good title to be admitting to considering it basically means "Blind love no matter what, and bash the competition for no reason". Just throwing it out there.
 

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Snotnarok said:
Reg5879 said:
Snotnarok said:
Reg5879 said:
vampirekid.13 said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
microsoft payed rockstar for them to have extra content on the 360, so they did, the 360 one is indeed full of extra content that the ps3 one does not have accessible at all.
No point worrying about DLC coz we all know MS need it coz they know they have the inferior system, i'm looking forward to PS3 exclusives.
I dunno if you're a fanboy or a troll but I'm not going to bother arguing if all you do is praise how good the PS3 is. It's not the system that makes the games fun, it's the games that make the system fun. So enjoy arguing with no one with triple posting.
I'm a fanboy because I choose to be a fanboy, I hate the Xbox 360 because I choose to, it is what makes us human, choices. Quite frankly, I dont have to like the 360 and all I did was defend the console I choose to like above the others, the PS3.

Like what you like, but bashing a console for no reason, and praising another is absurd. I'm not defending the 360 or mocking the PS3, they're both quality systems. Isn't it okay to say that GTA IV is great on either console? It's the game that's fun, not the system, if playing a game on a different system bothers you then I really don't understand where you're coming from. But fanboy isn't a good title to be admitting to considering it basically means "Blind love no matter what, and bash the competition for no reason". Just throwing it out there.
Actually, I wasn't the one that came to this topic and started bashing the Xbox 360, some other guy started bashing the PS3 and I felt angry about his comment and this discussion has escalated and it has turned into an argument and I do hate Xbox with a reason, MS released a dysfunctional console onto the market and got people to buy it, even though it suffered from overheat and it scratches your discs and they knew about it. Also, I have nothing against myself being a fanboy and plus GTA IV would have been better as a PS3 exclusive and it would have been a better game.
 

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vampirekid.13 said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
microsoft payed rockstar for them to have extra content on the 360, so they did, the 360 one is indeed full of extra content that the ps3 one does not have accessible at all.
Exlusive content doesnt count.
You still pay for the Lost and Damned, which is essentialy an expansion pack, which shouldnt factor into the quality of the original.

Basically, the game that was shipped out to millions of people, the one that is held on the disc, is essentially the same on both 360 and PS3.
 

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Reg5879 said:
Snotnarok said:
Reg5879 said:
Snotnarok said:
Reg5879 said:
vampirekid.13 said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
microsoft payed rockstar for them to have extra content on the 360, so they did, the 360 one is indeed full of extra content that the ps3 one does not have accessible at all.
No point worrying about DLC coz we all know MS need it coz they know they have the inferior system, i'm looking forward to PS3 exclusives.
I dunno if you're a fanboy or a troll but I'm not going to bother arguing if all you do is praise how good the PS3 is. It's not the system that makes the games fun, it's the games that make the system fun. So enjoy arguing with no one with triple posting.
I'm a fanboy because I choose to be a fanboy, I hate the Xbox 360 because I choose to, it is what makes us human, choices. Quite frankly, I dont have to like the 360 and all I did was defend the console I choose to like above the others, the PS3.

Like what you like, but bashing a console for no reason, and praising another is absurd. I'm not defending the 360 or mocking the PS3, they're both quality systems. Isn't it okay to say that GTA IV is great on either console? It's the game that's fun, not the system, if playing a game on a different system bothers you then I really don't understand where you're coming from. But fanboy isn't a good title to be admitting to considering it basically means "Blind love no matter what, and bash the competition for no reason". Just throwing it out there.
Actually, I wasn't the one that came to this topic and started bashing the Xbox 360, some other guy started bashing the PS3 and I felt angry about his comment and this discussion has escalated and it has turned into an argument and I do hate Xbox with a reason, MS released a dysfunctional console onto the market and got people to buy it, even though it suffered from overheat and it scratches your discs and they knew about it. Also, I have nothing against myself being a fanboy and plus GTA IV would have been better as a PS3 exclusive and it would have been a better game.
Whatever you want to think man. I think it would have been much better exclusive to the Sega Genesis, first off like you said there's no way the disc could get scratched because it runs on cartridges, then they could have come out with a Sega CD expansion disc for realistic radio stations, or they could have gone the whole hog and put out a Sega 32x+CD game for 32 bit graphics and CD quality music. Man those guys were smart, it took 3 power supplies, making it 3 times as powerful as the PS3 or 360 with their single power supply, then stack the blast processing on it and it's no contest!
 

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Reg5879 said:
Aesthetical Quietus said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
Reg5879 said:
Pr0 InSaNiTy said:
You should'nt have got it for PC. The PS3 version sucks ass all the way. 360 FTW!
Give me evidence to back up ur statement, u piece of shit Xbox fanboy. =)
First of all im not a fanboy. I have a pc,360 and ps3. Im just saying that the sixaxis is once again useless and the shoulder buttons are shit. The xbox version is the best because of no stupid controls and exclusive dlc. Is that enough evidence for you?
How could u bring Sixaxis into it, u dont even use Sixaxis in GTA4, the shoulder buttons have no problems and the controls are better on the PS3, so dont chat shit and as for the DLC, no big loss, it is only a matter of time before the PS3 goes beyond everything in the console market, so MS can just waste money trying to secure exclusive DLC.
I know he said it first, but which controls are better are simply a matter of opinion. I myself hate the new PS3 controller, and would much rather use the PS2 one, but it's still better than the old xBox controller, boy I hated that thing.
Personally, I think the PC's controls are better, but that's just because I hate using console controllers to play games.

I'd like to know what you think the PS3 is going to kill the 360 with(well sort of, since I'm really quite frankly mutual in the area).
Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, MAG, Infamous, God Of War 3 and a few more exclusives planned that I cant think of at the moment. Also, I aint arguing, but why do alot of people like the PC controls???
See, I thought you meant they had some special accessory planned, those games do look kick ass though.
It's a fair question, personally, I like the PC's controls better because I prefer fast accuracy(I can Headshot a person faster in GTA: IV with a mouse, than they can bodyshot me with an controller). It's mostly the mouse, but the keyboard is special in that you have so many mappable commands, so close together.
Controllers clearly have the low down on the PC when it comes to things like racing games(I'm talking basic controller vs keyboard/mouse), but racing games aren't as frequently visted in my game library, so meh.