Guilty Gear Dev Wants to Make the Games Western Devs Can't
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Yes, buff Lambda for me instead *evil laugh*. Is there a change list for CS Extend yet?Dandark said:
I really don't know how I feel about this thread. I largely have no opinion either way about what country a game came from. I know what games I want and which ones I will/won't buy. The genre affected my choice much more than anything else. I now have far too many RPGs which are skewing my library into decidedly Japanese (LOTS of Shin Megami Tensei, 2 Disgaea's, Agarest War, among others), but I'm waiting to get Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim. Multiplayer in BF3, Blazblue, and Assassin's Creed are eating up time I could be putting towards a single player story and an ending.
I went off topic. I've been largely ignorant of the sales flow of Japanese vs Western games (minus the juggernaut that is Call of Duty). Now that I think about it, I don't remember any recent bombshell announcements from Japan. It would be interesting to really see more culture from Japan in their games rather than some fantasy land again (much as I love them). I'm reminded of Shenmue and vaguely of Persona 4. There was one instance where you attend a festival and the girls are all wearing yukatas. It would have been interesting if that scene was expanded upon.
I agree that Japan has an iron grip over the fighting game department, but I feel that the genre will become over-saturated soon. Street Fighter 4, Street FighterxTekken, TekkenxStreet Fighter, BlazBlue CS (Extend), Persona: The Ultimate in Mayonaka, Arcana Heart 3, and Skull Girls. Half the list is Capcom, the other half is Arc System Works. Much as I love fighting games, I don't have time to learn the ones I want and play them competently while still being able to (attempt to) cut down my backlog. It's good that they're sticking to what they know, but they have to slow it down a bit.
Off topic again: Judging by the HUD, I think Persona will fell awfully similar to BlazBlue with similar "Heat" bars and a Burst Icon. I wanna see if Arc can make a game without a Burst function. It would force them to change their style and not allow combos that regularly go on for 10+ seconds.
Oh God no, A lambda buff? I will be in the nuclear shelter if anyone needs me although I doubt that will offer much protection.Et3rnalLegend64 said:
As for a change list there this topic...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.338282-Blazblue-Continiuum-Shift-Extend?page=1
I would like to see more Japanese themed games as it can be a nice change from what I am used to. The fighting game genre is getting overcrowded so they may want to expand into different areas, although I agree using Japanese culture as part of the design and a selling point could work well.
Not sure what genre they could try though.
I've only played one Guilty Gear game, and also Melty Blood, which is sorta similar. I was never a big fan. They felt too much like button mashers to me. However I've never been a big fan of any fighter that relies heavily on long combos. I also hate the aesthetics but I can't stand anime and anything that looks like it. I prefer the visuals in SF3: 3rd Strike as far as 2D goes, a bit less on the anime overload.
My favorite fighting game is still Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike. I am trying really hard to get into and like Street Fighter IV but the game doesn't make it easy.
My favorite fighting game is still Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike. I am trying really hard to get into and like Street Fighter IV but the game doesn't make it easy.
Daisuke Ishiwatari, never stop being cool. Nothing out of the west could ever match the uniqueness of your fighters.
LastGreatBlasphemer said:
The bias of your above post seems to suggest otherwise, in fact one could say you seem to have a fixation on anime (you know what they say, Love and hate are intimately linked within the human brain). To relieve your stress I would suggest going full on Otaku, indulge in all that you feel is wrong, pepper your wall with moe wall scrolls and buy NIS America's full library, in the end its what you truly want.
On Topic: I would agree, most of the games that I enjoy these days coming out of Japan scoff at Western tropes and styles, games like Rune Factory and Neptunia are laughed at by Western reviewers but I can't get enough of them.
While I do enjoy games from both the West and Japan, I find the comment about making games that Western developers can't sort of bizzare. If these games were only being released in Japan then fair enough, hard to emulate what you don't know, but with the other comment of wanting to approach the world market with these games it becomes somewhat counterintuitive. If anything the thing you would want is for people to play your games, like them, and draw inspiration from them or use them as the jumping off point for their own games. Sure they won't have the same access to the culture that the original games were made in, but so long as one broadens their horizons in both games and culture then they shouldn't have a problem. I can understand the worry that if we (the West) emulate their games well enough that we don't bother looking at what's being made in Japan, and as such Japanese developers have to work around these new issues rather than do what they want, but in the long run I don't buy that argument. If you want to keep up then just make games that people like to play and enjoy, it doesn't matter what design style you're going by so long as those who play it enjoy and start to follow the individual developer(s) rather than dividing it into an East and West thing.
Good, please don't. You can't swing a dead cat over here without knocking over a pile of shovel-ware shooters and platforms like Steam are just dripping with half-baked RTSs. There's enough of that garbage already, spend your time and money to make something at least slightly different.Grey Carter said:
He really does sound like one of those closeted, over-compensating, southern gay guys trying desperately to repress their urges by violently attacking the objects of their repressed affection until they explode, except, ya know, with anime and stuff.NiPah said:
Also, you liked Neptunia? Yeesh. I do have almost the entire NIS library and that game was unenjoyable enough to make me appreciate my time with FF13 a bit more.
I, for once, welcome a Japanese developer that is "we have a lot in our culture to explore in games", instead of "what can we do to appeal to the west".
Seriously, if there is one thing more off to Westerners than Japanese culture, is Japaneses trying to emulate Westerners sensibilities.
Seriously, if there is one thing more off to Westerners than Japanese culture, is Japaneses trying to emulate Westerners sensibilities.
Weaboos are dominating our culture? Do you know how many times I've said that word and then had to explain in full what a "weaboo" even is?LastGreatBlasphemer said:
Are you some kind of clod? He didn't say "LETS OVERFLOW THE WORLD WITH ANIME CLOOOOOONESS YYEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!1!1" He said he wants to focus on getting more of actual Japanese culture out there. Look at what you're saying: "DERP I'm a REAL culture buff WHEEEEE" and look at what he's saying: "We need to get REAL culture out there". He didn't even suggest he wanted to emulate anime in ANY way. He could very well mean what you were suggesting, by using Japanese history as a jump off point for video game concepts, OR he could mean doing things the way Japan is known to do them, through innovation unlike anything we've seen.
So calm down with the tirades; you're making yourself seem like a quasi-xenophobic ass.
More games that focus on Japanese culture?
*looks at Okami avatar*
I can get behind something like that.
Let's get one thing straight, I hate shitty Japanese androgynous angst, ala Final Fantasy 13, terrible characters, terrible story telling.
But if we get more games like Okami?
I'll put up with all the crap.
*looks at Okami avatar*
I can get behind something like that.
Let's get one thing straight, I hate shitty Japanese androgynous angst, ala Final Fantasy 13, terrible characters, terrible story telling.
But if we get more games like Okami?
I'll put up with all the crap.
completely off-topic, but related via Arc systems:
I wouldnt mind them making another game like Hard Corps: Uprising. That was a fun as hell game...
I wouldnt mind them making another game like Hard Corps: Uprising. That was a fun as hell game...
I thought that was the reason Japanese games sold. >.>SnakeoilSage said:
I kid, but I'm not sure "Unique 2D fighters" is the way to go here.
Though I would love to see some more actually unique titles come out. Even niche games seem to be getting more cookie cutter.
I certainly welcome any developer making games that draw more from their culture at least then we may get some real diversity and more studios focusing on their strengths to make a good game rather than blindly following market forces trying to make something similar to something that sold well.
Generally the more mass appeal you try and give something the less character it will have, best to just focus on what you are making and if people like it great if they dont they can try something else.
Generally the more mass appeal you try and give something the less character it will have, best to just focus on what you are making and if people like it great if they dont they can try something else.
I don't know if it's a weird translation or he doesn't know what he wants to say.
So Japanse games need to evolve yet he doesn't intend to stray from his formula... can you take a guess why you have a hard time evolving?
Japan might not be one to dominate the shooter scene (although I would love to see their crazy ideas in FPS games), but they should totally turn towards hack&slash adventure games.
So Japanse games need to evolve yet he doesn't intend to stray from his formula... can you take a guess why you have a hard time evolving?
Japan might not be one to dominate the shooter scene (although I would love to see their crazy ideas in FPS games), but they should totally turn towards hack&slash adventure games.
A lot of people (particularly in the FGC) are going to be disappointed. Seems to me Ishiwatari has little interest in shitting out a new Guilty Gear. In fact, his XBOX 360 Guilty Gear was some RTS/Action type thing.
I wouldn't mind seeing something new from him. He's got an amazing creative mind and as long as gameplay is just as good, he could do some great things.
Also, I wouldn't say that the Japanese gaming industry is doing all that bad. In fact, a lot of their best games don't even get released here. Can you guess why? That's right! They're too deeply rooted in Japanese culture, ergo we Westerners "can't relate to that shit" (looking at you Ryu ga Gotoku: Kenzan!).
I wouldn't mind seeing something new from him. He's got an amazing creative mind and as long as gameplay is just as good, he could do some great things.
Also, I wouldn't say that the Japanese gaming industry is doing all that bad. In fact, a lot of their best games don't even get released here. Can you guess why? That's right! They're too deeply rooted in Japanese culture, ergo we Westerners "can't relate to that shit" (looking at you Ryu ga Gotoku: Kenzan!).