Hackers Swipe 12 Million Apple Device Codes From the FBI

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Who. The hell. CARES!?

I'm tired of hearing all this "Boohoo! The government is spying on us!" BS when it doesn't actually mean anything. The FBI probably has access to them so they can more easily catch major criminals. Unless you're convinced the government is using them to brainwash us (and if you do, the government should be the least of your concerns) then I don't see how "outing" the FBI for this has accomplished anything but painted targets on the backs of anyone who participated in this.

You can't get much more naive than thinking you have complete privacy on any device with access to the internet.

Fill in the blanks to complete this famous quote:

"He who sacrifices ........ for ........ deserves ........"

The most prominent of all the worlds democracies; the country that likes nothing better than to trumpet their endorsement of freedom and fairness on the world stage, is secretly spying on its own civilians, co-opting their own technology to do so, without legal legal justification and essentially treating everyone as guilty until proven innocent? I's say that's something to get very worried about indeed.

Yeah, if you have nothing to hide then this is of no practical consequence to you, but that's not the point. The point is how blatantly wrong this is in principle. When we take all these little steps along the way to becoming a Police State, when we sell out the very cornerstones of a nation for the sake of protecting it from the 'bad men' that are 'out there', then we've fallen on our own sword. We've destroyed the very thing that said bad men wanted gone in the first place.

This is, of course, not even starting on how easy it seems to be for this information to be stolen.

 

[Xan Krieger]

FBI had no need for that info in the first place. They deserve to be hacked and I will continue to laugh at them. Good job Antisec.

 

[Gilhelmi]

Unless someone is going on a killing spree or rape someone, they're fine.

What IF, AntiSec uses the info too steal a bunch of your money? What IF, the FBI is really trying too spy on every move you make and try some of the strong arming we saw in the 60s/70s?

Today, even if you give your credit card info to the criminals, you can get your credit card fixed. Someday soon, I think that if the banks can prove stupidity on your part, then they might not have too reimburse you.

Today, you are a strong supporter of (insert corp here) but (insert rivel here) does not like it. Rivel decides that you would buy from them if they put a virus on all rivel systems deleting everything.

I do not trust the Government. You know who I trust less? AntiSec and their buddies. Their vigilantism would be one thing, but releasing the data for anyone (including criminals) to access it. Dangerous and reckless.

 

[Gilhelmi]

FBI had no need for that info in the first place. They deserve to be hacked and I will continue to laugh at them. Good job Antisec.

NO. AntiSec released the info, now any criminal has that data.

FBI did not need it. If AntiSec had not released it, I might have agreed. BUT NOW THE GANGS HAVE THAT DATA BECAUSE OF AntiSec. The gangs that are doing less violent crime because it is more profitable, and you do less jail if caught, for computer and ID theft. As far as I am concerned AntiSec is aiding and abiding.

 

[Xan Krieger]

FBI had no need for that info in the first place. They deserve to be hacked and I will continue to laugh at them. Good job Antisec.

NO. AntiSec released the info, now any criminal has that data.

FBI did not need it. If AntiSec had not released it, I might have agreed. BUT NOW THE GANGS HAVE THAT DATA BECAUSE OF AntiSec. The gangs that are doing less violent crime because it is more profitable, and you do less jail if caught, for computer and ID theft. As far as I am concerned AntiSec is aiding and abiding.

So it goes from one group of bad guys (the FBI) to another (gangs), it's all the same and we're screwed either way.

 

[Mr Companion]

I love these hacker groups that go around showing up the FBI and suchlike. Its funny seeing an agency famed for its security and discretion infiltrated by some sad buggers in their moms basement. And Apple amusingly not having anything in their user agreements listing a government surveillance program.

 

[Rainforce]

Sounds like the US and China have a race about who reaches 1984 first.
Then again, time travel doesn't work that way, and people don't either.
but it's nothing new that the US government is obviously insane.

captcha: "chuck norris"
...which reminds me that the fucker *ahem* he took Romney's side. Well, all heroes die somewhen.
: D

 

[fractured_sanity]

I do not trust the Government. You know who I trust less? AntiSec and their buddies. Their vigilantism would be one thing, but releasing the data for anyone (including criminals) to access it. Dangerous and reckless.

Download links to 1,000,001 of the stolen UDIDs, along with decryption instructions, are provided later in the post. "we decided a million would be enough to release. we trimmed out other personal data as, full names, cell numbers, addresses, zipcodes, etc." the statement continues. "not all devices have the same amount of personal data linked. some devices contained lot of info. others no more than zipcodes or almost anything. we left those main columns we consider enough to help a significant amount of users to look if their devices are listed there or not. the DevTokens are included for those mobile hackers who could figure out some use from the dataset."

I'm not saying you should trust them, I'm just saying you should read before you react.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Spoilers: The Federal Bureau of Information gathers and stores information. Shocker.

Also, the FBI is denying AntiSec's claim. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/fbi-says-laptop-wasnt-hacked-never-possessed-file-of-apple-device-ids/

 

[smudgey]

...... So people have no problem with private corporations storing large chunks of their personal data, but they do have a problem with the government having information they could have just gotten off your tax return anyway?

 

[maninahat]

...... So people have no problem with private corporations storing large chunks of their personal data, but they do have a problem with the government having information they could have just gotten off your tax return anyway?

Apparently. To stop the government from getting details about my address and phone number, I've taken to burning every phone book I can find. Wait, they have those online now? My god...

 

[jon_sf]

For the record, it's possible for the FBI to get UDIDs from sources other than Apple itself. The UDID of a device is accessible by any app running on your iPhone. It's part of the SDK that's exposed to developers:

http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/uikit/reference/UIDevice_Class/Reference/UIDevice.html

So an app that you install on your phone can get the UDID off your phone, and then report that to a server somewhere. There's also plenty of personal information that users put on their iPhones, so it's possible that database of information is info that some app collected and sent "home", rather than data that the feds got directly from Apple.

If that's the case, it's an open question what app(s) did this. 12 million people didn't install the "FBI Share" iPhone app. Maybe the FBI bought it off some company, or got it off the black market, or have some traffic sniffers that try to pick up that information passing through the networks. There's still plenty to be concerned about here, and I hope we learn more.

 

[VanQ]

FBI had no need for that info in the first place. They deserve to be hacked and I will continue to laugh at them. Good job Antisec.

NO. AntiSec released the info, now any criminal has that data.

FBI did not need it. If AntiSec had not released it, I might have agreed. BUT NOW THE GANGS HAVE THAT DATA BECAUSE OF AntiSec. The gangs that are doing less violent crime because it is more profitable, and you do less jail if caught, for computer and ID theft. As far as I am concerned AntiSec is aiding and abiding.

Did you even read the article? They chopped out all information that could cause harm and only released the IDs so people could see if they are being tracked.

No one can do anything with your ID if they don't have the rest of your credentials. Your incessant rage is blinding your ability to view and assess the situation.

This is why I'm glad to have an Android device. Yes, I'm aware of the 700% increase of malware article, I'm just not stupid enough to download and install a program I'm not certain is free of malware. I feel bad for the people whose information was stolen by the FBI, there is no excuse for such an invasion of privacy.

 

[Saulkar]

Modern Politician: "If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear"
Ben Franklin: "If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."

Why are all the dead people smarter?

 

[6unn3r]

This is why i use google androids. At least they dont track your every, move, search preferance, sexual needs, food preferances, weight, height, address, exact location down to the square foot, colour of my front door, car registration plate, all my friends and.......WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!

 

[Li Mu]

Come on now folks, these are Apple products. the iSheep need looking after so they dont hurt themselves

Everyone knows what Apple zealots do with their day anyway. They spend most of their day torn between surfing the Apple website for new products and then visiting their local Apple store to throw all their money at Version 1.45826 of the new 'cool' product.

 

[Li Mu]

Modern Politician: "If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear"
Ben Franklin: "If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."

Why are all the dead people smarter?

200 years ago America broke away from an overbearing, powerful empire. The American forefathers knew exactly what it was like to live under such restrictions of liberty and they wanted to be sure that in their new country such things would not happen.

Skip forward 200 years and the USA is making all the same mistakes that the British Empire made. USA is the new British Empire. Their attitudes to foreign policy and globalization is exactly the same as it was during the 1700s for the British. And like Britain, the USA is now a very successful world power which nobody can really fuck with.

But like the British Empire; the USA will collapse under it's own power. It's inability to adapt due to the fact that it firmly believes that the American way is the only way.
China is growing, as are the South American countries. Russia might come back into the game at some point. In a hundred years time I think we might see the end of the USA as a super power. Sure, they'll still be up there at the top, but will likely be China's *****. History is liek a confused old man and repeats itself over and over and over. One thing we can learn from the history of Empires is that they all fall down. A nation who is at the top one moment can quickly collapse the next. Nobody stays on top forever (despite what many Americans think)