Half-Life 2: Episode 4 Could Have Looked Like This

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Vivi22 said:
Capitano Segnaposto said:
Ivalice was reset thanks to a bunch of kids in Final Fantasy Tactics: Advanced. Therefore, the Ivalice of the original Tactics/Vagrant Story no longer exists.

Unless they do a Vagrant Story in their new Ivalice, there would be 0 way to make a meaningful sequel.
This is kind of way off topic, but this isn't really true. If Square wanted to make a game in the same Ivalice as Vagrant Story they absolutely can. Hell, they already did. It's called FFXII and came out three years after Tactics Advance.
Don't forget, Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift was a stellar DS title. 120+ hours of good times right there.
 

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Capitano Segnaposto said:
Actually... no. FFXII takes place in the new Ivalice, the one that was created by the magical book the children had back in Tactics Advance as their are races that had never existed within Ivalice until the rebirth of the world by the children, prior to the original Vagrant Story/Tactics Advance.

There is another... less popular theory that the children created the universe which all characters existed, but I personally do not believe that theory as... well there is little proof to back up the claim currently.

As it sits, the Timeline (IMO) is this:

Vagrant Story/Tactics: War of the Lions -> Tactics Advance -> Final Fantasy XII -> Rev. Wings
Except that none of what you said agrees with what the producers of XII have said, nor the official timeline of the games.

Officially, XII takes place in Ivalice before Tactics. Vagrant Story takes place after Tactics as well, followed by Tactics Advance.
 

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Having far more experience with lab equipment than the average human I can safely say... That I have no idea what that lab setup would do.
But her's my stab in the dark anyway: it seems to involve separately vaporizing 2 chemicals and then funneling both gasses into that metallic cylinder in the middle. I'd guess it's set up that way because the gasses react into something quite dangerous once they meet. Furthermore I'd bet the cylinder is made of metal, as opposed to glass, because it's supposed to be taken out of the setup once the gasses are in. Conclusion: it makes some kind of makeshift grenades. Depending on the chemicals involved they could be anything from smokebombs to poison gas grenades.

OT: Working at valve has to be so weird. You wouldn't even be able to doodle on a napkin without it turning up on the internet one week later, complete with 4 page in-depth analysis of how it may be related to a new valve IP.
 

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OT: Working at valve has to be so weird. You wouldn't even be able to doodle on a napkin without it turning up on the internet one week later, complete with 4 page in-depth analysis of how it may be related to a new valve IP.
This is genius.

You sir, deserve a medal for such a witty statement.
 

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Capitano Segnaposto said:
All this has been known for years, yet people still can't figure it out. It is even more sad when people think there will be an Episode 3 when it was announced years ago that they weren't making one. /sigh
There aren't any mentions on the Half Life wiki page about that. But all things considered, a game developer that doesn't bring out any news about it's current projects, might just as well shut down their entire operation.

Because when you don't get that you are not making just a game for yourself, but for all those fans who are waiting in anticipation for the follow up... and don't deliver any kind of information, then it's just no good PR at all.

So here for I declare Half Life 2: Episode 3 / Half Life 3 dead. It's time to move on and if it does surface somehow, I hope people will boycott the game. Companies need to learn that they can't dick us around any more.
 

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Steven Bogos said:
Back when Half-Life 3 wasn't the new Duke Nukem Forever of the gaming industry
No, its not. Valve's baby turns 15 years old this year. That's the same length of time Duke Nukem Forever spend in development.

Valve tried the episodic thing and have seemingly decided it wasn't for them. If we're going to hear anything regarding Episode 3 or Half-Life 3 this year it might be around November.
 

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I held on to hope for new HL stuff for quite some time, but then I realized that there was plenty else out there in gaming land to look forward to, including a whole lineage of games that had been influenced by the sorts of things HL introduced. So while I would still like to see more Half Life at some point, I've had to stop thinking it would be any time soon. My current, wildly unsubstantiated wishful thinking is that it's going to release with the Steambox.
 

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Don't think Valve is going to continue the series at all, and that's probably fine. They made decent games in the meantime.
 

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Burnhardt said:
Steven Bogos said:
Back when Half-Life 3 wasn't the new Duke Nukem Forever of the gaming industry
No, its not. Valve's baby turns 15 years old this year. That's the same length of time Duke Nukem Forever spend in development.
They didn't start doing Half-Life 2 Episodes until circa 2004, though, so that's less than 9 years ago.

And Episode Two was released in 2007, so that puts Episode Three's development at about 6 years now.
 

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I don't know that "there was a significant amount of work done on advancing the series that has since been abandoned" is an improvement on "there may or may not be work going on with Half-Life franchise that Valve is being singularly cagey about."

I recognize that, given the amount of time that has passed, it would be hard for any version of HL to be introduced at this point that wouldn't be a crushing disappointment. Still, it's frustrating to be left hanging.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Did we ever get a reason why Valve stopped making HL2? Other then Gabe didn't want to do episodic gaming anymore?
It just Left 2 Die 4.
They never announced that they stopped developing Episode Three. Whenever they're asked about it they just avoid talking about it.
 

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Doom972 said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Did we ever get a reason why Valve stopped making HL2? Other then Gabe didn't want to do episodic gaming anymore?
It just Left 2 Die 4.
They never announced that they stopped developing Episode Three. Whenever they're asked about it they just avoid talking about it.
Actually they did say Ep3 was dead and that they decided to do a full game and abandon episodic gaming. I recall reading it on this very website. Maybe Ill find the artical later (on train heading to work)
 

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I guess Valve really never wanted to make a 3rd installment, so they just skipped it.
 

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Oh dear... it seems some people got a little overeager to voice themselves.

josemlopes said:
Really... Episode 4 now, did they just really just decided to jump the mighty number 3?
MASTACHIEFPWN said:
I guess Valve really never wanted to make a 3rd installment, so they just skipped it.
Try reading right there in the article, it tells you about that >.<

Episode 3 was planned to finish gordon's story, while additional episodes further fleshed out the world. The first of these background world ones was evidently adding more to ravenholm's story.

Mr.Tea said:
So Ravenholm means zombies, the models are all basically clutter, there is a hospital level and it was scrapped a long time ago already...

I'm sorry, why the fuck wasn't Left 4 Dead the first thing that popped into their heads? Oh right, because if one puts HL:Ep4 in one's title, one guarantees oneself those sweet sweet page views...
'left 4 dead', acquired from turtlerock in 2008.
this 'half life 2: episode 4' project, shut down in 2007.

Also i don't quite get it, are you attacking valve or attacking the article? Either way you're not making much sense, and are acting needlessly hostile.

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For the topic itself:
Always great seeing this behind the scenes stuff, learning about a game's development. Although, i disagree on the models indicating it was late in development. You have to keep in mind, they have an art team they're paying, and a game engine that already comes with nearly all the functionality and assets ready to use, making prototyping fairly quick.
It's quite likely that they would set their modellers to work straight away on building new pieces, to make best use of the development time/money.
No need to waste the modeller's time making rough/placeholder pieces given the engine already has stuff that can serve that purpose, they'd go straight onto finalised assets.
 

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Capitano Segnaposto said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Did we ever get a reason why Valve stopped making HL2? Other then Gabe didn't want to do episodic gaming anymore?
It just Left 2 Die 4.
They stopped doing episodic content. Therefore, Half-Life 2 is finished.

They are currently working on Half-Life 3 and the new Source Engine.

All this has been known for years, yet people still can't figure it out. It is even more sad when people think there will be an Episode 3 when it was announced years ago that they weren't making one.

/sigh
No, it hasn't been known. Valve have never said that they are working on a new version of Source or Half-Life 3.
 

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I still have hope there will be a new Half-Life. If it ever comes out I'll buy it in a second. It's a shame they didn't release the third episode a few years back after that cliffhanger.