Rainboq said:
Given that infinity ward is a studio that employs predominatantly or even solely men, it's lower down or entirely off IW's radar, plus the culture there is fucking toxic towards women, I know, I got a co-op job there for a semester.
I'm actually interested. How is the culture there "fucking toxic towards women"? Depending on who's talking and where they're talking about, I've heard that phrase and similar describe anything from "doesn't take special care to accommodate women" to "actively discriminates" to "actively treats women like property."
LadyZephyr said:
To everyone saying "just use mute".
... Do you not understand that one of the main appeals of a thriving online multiplayer community is being a part of the community? Do you realize what you're saying? "If the community abuses and excludes you, then don't be a part of it" is the same thing as saying that games are a boy's club and anyone not straight/white/male need not apply.
Come on now. This is victim blaming 101.
So, it's victim blaming and excludes you from the community to say "If this person is being an asshole, bar them from interacting with you"? How exactly does that exclude you from the community, or does XBL not have that feature that PSN and every MMO ever made has where you can permanently shut off communications with specific people who you do not wish to speak with or hear from again?
It seems like that feature would make it difficult to harass someone, simply because they can turn you off and then you're just shouting at the void. Bonus points if it doesn't tell the person being ignored that they're being ignored.
erttheking said:
These people are breaking the rules, I don't see why them getting punished for it is a bad thing.
Zero tolerance policies are almost always a bad thing. Zero tolerance policies that cannot be contested always are. They lack any kind of nuance by definition. This is literally effectively a "my rights end where your feelings begin, punishable as severely as is possible within this domain" policy.
soh45400 said:
This kind of thread again?
This could have been made much better and much much less rage inducing by saying they will ban ALL abusive comments. But women's problems get special preference, as always and the related thread turns into a flame war as always.
If you read the fine print, it actually does say that, they're just drawing extra-special attention to women in the interview.
soh45400 said:
Forget solving them, we can't even talk about problems only men face. The words Male Rights Activist has become an insult on Escapist.
Sure you can, so long as you accept the argument from primal misogyny -- that men's problems are really women's problems. So quit trying to make it about men, because we're talking about women here. This same argument has been used in the past to try to keep people from talking about gay rights (gay men are only discriminated against because they are seen as woman-like, therefore homophobia is really about misogyny, so quit trying to make it about men, we're talking about women here).
soh45400 said:
I have never seen female dominated mediums making concessions for men, I have never seen them criticizing women. Men do both and we are still evil?
Can someone just post some good things about men so I don't feel my gender is being targeted as evil?
I have resorted to not talking to women at all(except for work-related stuff) to make sure they know I am not harassing them, that I am not one of those kind of people.
There's a lot to say about women's space, men's space, and male and female dominant spaces and the expectations placed on them, but yeah, to put it in the most basic terms, women's and female dominant spaces are fine, men's spaces need to be destroyed, and male dominant spaces need to be forced to change to explicitly accomodate women and make them more comfortable seems to be the general social consensus.
To give an example, if someone were to plan a LAN party for the launch of some FPS open to whoever would like to RSVP, no women permitted, there would be an uproar about what evil sexist monsters they are for not wanting to be inclusive of women. Want to plan a women-only pre-party for a con? That's awesome! You go girl!
Mick Golden Blood said:
Women seem to have gotten into the habit of forcing things to change for them instead of adapting these days.
This would be one of those things to say about male-dominant and female-dominant spaces -- men in a female-dominant space are expected to conform to the space, whilst women in a male-dominant space expect the space to conform to them.
excalipoor said:
People are offended by 343i taking away the right of pricks to be dicks? I'm baffled.
In Search of Username said:
I don't like sexism either, but I hate the idea of banning people for being dicks.
IceStar100 said:
this is not about the problem you see with society (as in I cant be a prick anymore! PC police dammit!)
Sion_Barzahd said:
I mean some of the people on there are just dicks!
SteewpidZombie said:
It all comes down the simply this ONE thing: "Don't be a dick"
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If you're a total douche who has no social life and enjoys demeaning people you've never met, you're just a prick. (BANNED)
To the five of you above: If the Escapist followed the kind of policy described in the article, and assuming it wasn't itself only enforced in a sexist fashion, that comment right there should have you permabanned on the spot, since you used terms for male genitals as a pejorative, no different than using the terms "****", "twat", or "pussy" to describe some person or group in a negative light.
Since you approve of the kind of policy described, I assume you will hold yourselves to it and request a self ban from the moderators, right?