Congrats you got first post, and completely missed the point. I admitted as much in my post that I hadn't played the game and as such had no idea about the veracity of the reviewer's opinion. I would never take a review of anything at face value but I just think its criminal that people can give the impression that a game is utterly, ultimately, world shatteringly good when an apparently major aspect of visual narrative media is neglected, and is admitted to be as much in the review which awards a perfect score.maddawg IAJI said:Or that they liked the games? Who cares what the critic thinks and how do you know that it is mediocre if you have yet to play it yet. You can complain about it all you want, I'll be playing it on Tuesday and forming my own opinion on it.
hehe yeah I know the Godfather is THE goto film in just about every argument about filmaking, I was just trying to illustrate my point with an example that people might recognise. But tbh I don't believe we've had a game (and correct me if I'm wrong) that has as wide critical and artistic consensus as the Godfather (with the exception of Citizen Kane perhaps)Eren Murtaugh said:Dude. Completely agreeable statement, and very well thought out. Gotta say, it's crap like this that pushed me away from Halo in the first place. Also, the Godfather IS good, but can we stop using it as the "be all-end all" of movie perfection?
Untrue. Reviewers slagged off Mario Galaxy 2 for the same shitty tired story of "Bowser kidnaps Peach" but that was still hailed as 'perfect'.Snarky Username said:You can't simultaneously call a game perfect and say it has a bad story. THAT IS NOT LOGICAL!
The thing is, a perfect 10 is supposed to indicate, well, perfect. The main point of his post was saying that IGN is contradictory in terms of review scores, which is something we probably all know.maddawg IAJI said:Or that they liked the games? Who cares what the critic thinks and how do you know that it is mediocre if you have yet to play it yet. You can complain about it all you want, I'll be playing it on Tuesday and forming my own opinion on it.
"IGN"Evil_Weevil said:Halo Reach: 10/10 according to IGN
I think you meant movie, not game, but yeah, very few films have reached the critical massiveness of Godfather, but dude. Watch the movie "M". I promise you'll never EVER look at cinema the same again.Evil_Weevil said:Congrats you got first post, and completely missed the point. I admitted as much in my post that I hadn't played the game and as such had no idea about the veracity of the reviewer's opinion. I would never take a review of anything at face value but I just think its criminal that people can give the impression that a game is utterly, ultimately, world shatteringly good when an apparently major aspect of visual narrative media is neglected, and is admitted to be as much in the review which awards a perfect score.maddawg IAJI said:Or that they liked the games? Who cares what the critic thinks and how do you know that it is mediocre if you have yet to play it yet. You can complain about it all you want, I'll be playing it on Tuesday and forming my own opinion on it.
hehe yeah I know the Godfather is THE goto film in just about every argument about filmaking, I was just trying to illustrate my point with an example that people might recognise. But tbh I don't believe we've had a game (and correct me if I'm wrong) that has as wide critical and artistic consensus as the Godfather (with the exception of Citizen Kane perhaps)Eren Murtaugh said:Dude. Completely agreeable statement, and very well thought out. Gotta say, it's crap like this that pushed me away from Halo in the first place. Also, the Godfather IS good, but can we stop using it as the "be all-end all" of movie perfection?
I think the OP is more commenting on the hypocrisy, for lack of a better word, inherent in giving a perfect score to a game, and then on the same page saying "it has faults X, Y and Z". If it has faults, it's not perfect. Thus, it should not receive a perfect score.maddawg IAJI said:Or that they liked the games? Who cares what the critic thinks and how do you know that it is mediocre if you have yet to play it yet. You can complain about it all you want, I'll be playing it on Tuesday and forming my own opinion on it.
John Funk said:Having just beat the campaign, it's easily the best campaign (and the best-told story) of the Halo franchise. Make of that what you will.
You speak much sense, but no, I meant game as I was trying to point out that no videogame released has had the same level of critical and artistic appreciation AND the pop cultural recognition as a film like TGFEren Murtaugh said:I think you meant movie, not game, but yeah, very few films have reached the critical massiveness of Godfather, but dude. Watch the movie "M". I promise you'll never EVER look at cinema the same again.Evil_Weevil said:Congrats you got first post, and completely missed the point. I admitted as much in my post that I hadn't played the game and as such had no idea about the veracity of the reviewer's opinion. I would never take a review of anything at face value but I just think its criminal that people can give the impression that a game is utterly, ultimately, world shatteringly good when an apparently major aspect of visual narrative media is neglected, and is admitted to be as much in the review which awards a perfect score.maddawg IAJI said:Or that they liked the games? Who cares what the critic thinks and how do you know that it is mediocre if you have yet to play it yet. You can complain about it all you want, I'll be playing it on Tuesday and forming my own opinion on it.
hehe yeah I know the Godfather is THE goto film in just about every argument about filmaking, I was just trying to illustrate my point with an example that people might recognise. But tbh I don't believe we've had a game (and correct me if I'm wrong) that has as wide critical and artistic consensus as the Godfather (with the exception of Citizen Kane perhaps)Eren Murtaugh said:Dude. Completely agreeable statement, and very well thought out. Gotta say, it's crap like this that pushed me away from Halo in the first place. Also, the Godfather IS good, but can we stop using it as the "be all-end all" of movie perfection?
P.S. If it doesn't have Peter Lorre in it, it;s the wrong film.
He spent 2 paragraphs talking about how shit and pretentious the story is and the cast of really boring, bog-standard "gun men", that doesn't sound like a perfect 10 to me. Surely that kind of thing costs a point or two? Crumby story and bad characters ruin immersion for me.maddawg IAJI said:Or that they liked the games? Who cares what the critic thinks and how do you know that it is mediocre if you have yet to play it yet. You can complain about it all you want, I'll be playing it on Tuesday and forming my own opinion on it.
Wait, you guys get early copies? I didn't know that The Escapist was that well known in the industry. O_OJohn Funk said:Having just beat the campaign, it's easily the best campaign (and the best-told story) of the Halo franchise. Make of that what you will.
Sorry, but if you look to the right of the USA based IGN review of Halo reach you will notice the UK site awarded it 10/10. Being a UK citizen, I am automatically redirected to the UK version. I'm tempted to give you the old "door.use it" but to be fair I didn't make clear that i was referring to the UK versionagentmaine said:Maybe you should re-read that review, it isn't given a 10/10
If you knew how to read you would understand that they gave it a 9.5/10 BECAUSE the story was imperfect. They like the gameplay and they like the multiplayer enough to forgive an imperfect story. Next time you point your need for attention at unwarrented 10/10's, make sure it is ACTUALLY a 10/10 review you are whining about
OH! Gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding.Evil_Weevil said:You speak much sense, but no, I meant game as I was trying to point out that no videogame released has had the same level of critical and artistic appreciation AND the pop cultural recognition as a film like TGFEren Murtaugh said:I think you meant movie, not game, but yeah, very few films have reached the critical massiveness of Godfather, but dude. Watch the movie "M". I promise you'll never EVER look at cinema the same again.Evil_Weevil said:Congrats you got first post, and completely missed the point. I admitted as much in my post that I hadn't played the game and as such had no idea about the veracity of the reviewer's opinion. I would never take a review of anything at face value but I just think its criminal that people can give the impression that a game is utterly, ultimately, world shatteringly good when an apparently major aspect of visual narrative media is neglected, and is admitted to be as much in the review which awards a perfect score.maddawg IAJI said:Or that they liked the games? Who cares what the critic thinks and how do you know that it is mediocre if you have yet to play it yet. You can complain about it all you want, I'll be playing it on Tuesday and forming my own opinion on it.
hehe yeah I know the Godfather is THE goto film in just about every argument about filmaking, I was just trying to illustrate my point with an example that people might recognise. But tbh I don't believe we've had a game (and correct me if I'm wrong) that has as wide critical and artistic consensus as the Godfather (with the exception of Citizen Kane perhaps)Eren Murtaugh said:Dude. Completely agreeable statement, and very well thought out. Gotta say, it's crap like this that pushed me away from Halo in the first place. Also, the Godfather IS good, but can we stop using it as the "be all-end all" of movie perfection?
P.S. If it doesn't have Peter Lorre in it, it;s the wrong film.