I stand corrected then. I still believe my argument still works, however, as the story clearly isn't 'masterful.'StriderShinryu said:
Halo Reach Perfect 10! WTF?
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Really? I mean really? No sarcasm?Skullkid4187 said:
Meh, it's IGN.
Of course they're gonna get down and suck the all mighty cock of Halo.
It's IGN. That's what they do.
They reward whoever pays them the most to give a good review.
You cannot give a 10 to anything that has flaws. Or is IGN an impersonation of division by zero? Respect -1/0 then.
As for people who defend perfect scores... 0 is shit, 10 is where it can't go higher. It doesn't make sense to skew the scale, when it's clear what a 0 is, and that 10 should be a game produced by the laws of physics themselves. Manipulating the scale like this is just being a wishful human (*cough* and a stupid one at that *cough*) at best.
As for people who defend perfect scores... 0 is shit, 10 is where it can't go higher. It doesn't make sense to skew the scale, when it's clear what a 0 is, and that 10 should be a game produced by the laws of physics themselves. Manipulating the scale like this is just being a wishful human (*cough* and a stupid one at that *cough*) at best.
What would super mario bros. 3 get? I would probably give it a 10, it is one of the games that I would consider playing on an island if I could only play one single game for another 80 years. Does it have a good story? Not really. Go rescue the princess? That's pretty much it. That, and that she's in another castle.
Now, I'm not a halo fanboy saying this, I actually hate halo. I cant stand playing with my friends for more than maybe an hour or so. But I can understand a score like this.
Now, I'm not a halo fanboy saying this, I actually hate halo. I cant stand playing with my friends for more than maybe an hour or so. But I can understand a score like this.
I'm surprised Ign gave a perfect score to a microsoft game. they always give em to nintendo gamesJulianking93 said:
Um, I thought IGN gave it a 9.5.
And are you saying that if something has Halo in the title, it can't have a good story? Have you even read any of the books or comics or seen any of the anime or short films? Halo has an incredibly deep story with literally 500 years of human history as well as thousands of years of alien history to play around in.
EDIT: Btw, I see that IGN UK gave it a 10/10. IGN UK is absolute dogshit. You can't trust them about anything.
Disregard for the complete package my shiny rainbow colored ass. Halo: Reach is one of the most complete games on the market. It has something for everyone except a video-game-alergic-movie-critic and an RPG-fanatic. It has a 10 hour campaign filled with fast-paced refined gameplay and intelligent detailed enemies, it has Firefight (which is basically Gears of War's Horde mode, but with the Covenant, difficulty multipliers, better AI, matchmaking support, and an insane amount of customizability), multiplayer (some of the best multiplayer, if not the best, on any console, as well as an amazing level of customizability), Forge (in which you can quite literally play anything from board games to building rube goldberg machines to platforming to building castles in the sky), and even some simple but polished space combat.Evil_Weevil said:
And are you saying that if something has Halo in the title, it can't have a good story? Have you even read any of the books or comics or seen any of the anime or short films? Halo has an incredibly deep story with literally 500 years of human history as well as thousands of years of alien history to play around in.
EDIT: Btw, I see that IGN UK gave it a 10/10. IGN UK is absolute dogshit. You can't trust them about anything.
OK, one thing that is really bothering me here is that you guys are whining about how it was given a ten and it didn't deserve it and you are saying 8 or 9 but you haven't played the game. I am not saying that the 10/10 was justified but don't try to arbitrarily assign a number to a game you haven't played yet.
My biggest problem with this thread really is that you guys are just nitpicking. Some people play games for the gameplay, some people play games for the story, i even have some friends who played Oblivion and Fallout 3 to make their character look as cool as possible, I don't understand it but if one of them gave New Vegas a 10/10 because they might be able to like customize everything or something, they might mention in their review that the shooting is imprecise but give it a 10/10 regardless then you (playing the roll of the generic internet trolls in this scenario) will go in and call fouls about how that is not a good way to play games but really, who are you to judge other people's ways of playing games. If they think the gameplay is fun enough to justify an imperfect story then let it be, don't storm the castle with angri faeces.
And also, what do you plan to gain from this, do you want IGN UK to be like, "Oh, crap you're right, 8.2/10" That isn't going to happen. You guys are just trying to feed your own internet dicks by pointing out meaningless flaws
My biggest problem with this thread really is that you guys are just nitpicking. Some people play games for the gameplay, some people play games for the story, i even have some friends who played Oblivion and Fallout 3 to make their character look as cool as possible, I don't understand it but if one of them gave New Vegas a 10/10 because they might be able to like customize everything or something, they might mention in their review that the shooting is imprecise but give it a 10/10 regardless then you (playing the roll of the generic internet trolls in this scenario) will go in and call fouls about how that is not a good way to play games but really, who are you to judge other people's ways of playing games. If they think the gameplay is fun enough to justify an imperfect story then let it be, don't storm the castle with angri faeces.
And also, what do you plan to gain from this, do you want IGN UK to be like, "Oh, crap you're right, 8.2/10" That isn't going to happen. You guys are just trying to feed your own internet dicks by pointing out meaningless flaws
Do they? I've only ever seen them steer towards saying everything on the 360 is the greatest thing ever.Skullkid4187 said:
That's what pisses me off most about them is their bullshit bias towards the xbox.
If you see any review of a multiplatform game, they will always make a point to say the 360 version is the best and hardly ever give sufficiant reason for doing so.
Ok, this thread kinda got side tracked. Do I believe that H:R should get a 10/10? no, but then no game ought to get 10/10 otherwise thats it, game over (hurhur).
What got to me more was the sheer disregard for a huge element of the medium as somehow of less worth than the soundtrack or the graphics. Both of these things have improved over the years and so has immersion undoubtedly, so why hasn't writing been given the scrutiny and serious appreciation it deserves? These three things ought to be the cornerstones of the medium, but instead we swallow the dross written on the back of a napkin in crayon and accept it as somehow what we deserve.
Will Halo sell squillions? yes, its Halo, it banks on its name and familiarity and what is without doubt a solid basis of gameplay and visual flair. I just wish we could move beyond this "Blockbuster" mentality of compromise in the service of profit.
What got to me more was the sheer disregard for a huge element of the medium as somehow of less worth than the soundtrack or the graphics. Both of these things have improved over the years and so has immersion undoubtedly, so why hasn't writing been given the scrutiny and serious appreciation it deserves? These three things ought to be the cornerstones of the medium, but instead we swallow the dross written on the back of a napkin in crayon and accept it as somehow what we deserve.
Will Halo sell squillions? yes, its Halo, it banks on its name and familiarity and what is without doubt a solid basis of gameplay and visual flair. I just wish we could move beyond this "Blockbuster" mentality of compromise in the service of profit.
Very true. I often completely ignore the scores nowadays because it's more along the line's of this: 1) 7.0, 2) 7.5, 3) 8.0, 4) 9.0, 5) 9.9, And those are all out of 10.Agayek said:
I see your point, but damn the scores for a second.
Take for instance why people use reviews.
For one it's often to basically let you know if you should buy the game.
Two you like to see what the reviewers thought of the games you love
Three in some cases people look for reasons to hate a game and a better way to reson said hate rather than being on the lesser half boat.
To me that saying if it has a lacking plot while giving it a good score (though scores are irrelevant beyond good/bad) says to me that while the game lacks some areas, screw it it's hella fun to play.
Which is what I often thought reading crackdown 2 reviews, (oh repetitive, well screw it there're millions of random muck abouts you can do with just one other player)
Games in all honesty just cannot be reviewed objectively as books or movies can, they have more dimensions of entertainment by far, I rarely see a review that points out that the game is fun and so on. yahtzee has managed this a few times but still misses the point.
Part of me thinks that this is a partial dig at IGN or reviewers in general, it seems you've missed the point that I've made, the game is still damn good fun to play, it's not a case of oh it's halo TENS ALL AROUND, it's (for the nth time) that it is a fucking (+ve adjective here) game so it doesn't shit on the player and laugh about it, it just makes it up in areas
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Take for instance why people use reviews.
For one it's often to basically let you know if you should buy the game.
Two you like to see what the reviewers thought of the games you love
Three in some cases people look for reasons to hate a game and a better way to reson said hate rather than being on the lesser half boat.
To me that saying if it has a lacking plot while giving it a good score (though scores are irrelevant beyond good/bad) says to me that while the game lacks some areas, screw it it's hella fun to play.
Which is what I often thought reading crackdown 2 reviews, (oh repetitive, well screw it there're millions of random muck abouts you can do with just one other player)
Games in all honesty just cannot be reviewed objectively as books or movies can, they have more dimensions of entertainment by far, I rarely see a review that points out that the game is fun and so on. yahtzee has managed this a few times but still misses the point.
Part of me thinks that this is a partial dig at IGN or reviewers in general, it seems you've missed the point that I've made, the game is still damn good fun to play, it's not a case of oh it's halo TENS ALL AROUND, it's (for the nth time) that it is a fucking (+ve adjective here) game so it doesn't shit on the player and laugh about it, it just makes it up in areas
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I don't think that a 10 needs to be perfect per se, because, frankly, I doubt we'll ever see a perfect game.
However, I do think that a 10 should indicate a game that has all the major aspects of game design well in hand, and story is a big part of that. Sure, you can argue that the score is simply indicative of how much the reviewer enjoyed it, but if that's the case then why read reviews at all? No two people are going to enjoy all the same things, so basing score just on "fun" factor has no value to anyone other than the reviewer.
So while I'm not going to voice an opinion on the game itself, I feel that any review which admits that the game's story is lacking should not give it a 10/10. 9.5, sure, maybe even 9.8, but don't give a 10 unless there are no major issues with it.
However, I do think that a 10 should indicate a game that has all the major aspects of game design well in hand, and story is a big part of that. Sure, you can argue that the score is simply indicative of how much the reviewer enjoyed it, but if that's the case then why read reviews at all? No two people are going to enjoy all the same things, so basing score just on "fun" factor has no value to anyone other than the reviewer.
So while I'm not going to voice an opinion on the game itself, I feel that any review which admits that the game's story is lacking should not give it a 10/10. 9.5, sure, maybe even 9.8, but don't give a 10 unless there are no major issues with it.
Extraneous media should not be the crutch for bad storytelling in a game.Eipok Kruden said:
EDIT: I have tried to avoid giving an opinion on the game as I have not played it. My criticism was NOT of the game itself but the way in which reviewers approach games in general, and some games, like Halo, in particular
The Masterful designation is given for the entire game as a whole, not for the story. All games that are often named as "Masterful" (or even perfect or classic) have notable flaws that keep them from perfection but don't lower the impact of the experience as a whole. Of course, your personal results will vary as opinions always do.ALuckyChance said: