Has MovieBob been fired from ScrewAttack?

[Neverhoodian]

Well, I might as well join the dogpile.

There are times when I find myself liking something, but disliking its creator. In spite of this, I am often able to separate the person from the product. MovieBob is not one of these instances. His personal beliefs are often the subject of his videos, making it impossible to separate the man from his work. His social media comments read like a fanatical zealot, and the few excerpts I've read from his book gave me the impression that he has genuine mental health issues that aren't being properly addressed. I actually kind of feel bad for him...until I remind myself just how toxic he can be.

Well, as long as you consider people who now take shots at "SJWs" and liberals and progressives and so-called "cultural marxists" neutral. That sounds more like "they fired the people I disagree with and hired people who agree with me." Which is basically what happened. And that's fine, it's not my site. The only downside is the hit the community took from it as people were either harassed away or just got sick of it. But this whole "neutral/apolitical" thing isn't even remotely true.

"Harassed away?" I admittedly didn't follow GG all that closely, but I don't remember harassment playing a major role for the exodus. It seemed to be more of an example of "taking my ball and leaving."

 

[Something Amyss]

"Harassed away?" I admittedly didn't follow GG all that closely, but I don't remember harassment playing a major role for the exodus. It seemed to be more of an example of "taking my ball and leaving."

NotTheBees ended up fighting to get her account removed. It's my understanding that other people did, too, but I'm personally familiar with that user. I received death threats and threats to dox/out me (the latter part of that being a potential death sentence, and having been the victim of hate crimes before, I have a pretty good reason to fear such shit). Other people were swarmed and accused of things like supporting child porn (this was one of the things NTBs dealt with, as well). I'm not sure what your definition of harassment is, so maybe leaving the site because people are doing these things counts as taking your ball and going home. I mean, technically, I didn't get my way when I contacted the then-CM about such issues. Part of the reason I changed my account name was specifically because I couldn't get my account deleted, I have had my profile and personal details archived, and this was literally the best way to de-link my alter ego from at least casual scrutiny. I mean, there's another obvious element to it, but that's not really on the current topic.

Thing is, even bringing this up is almost guaranteed to generate sealioning from folks who will demand I personally prove to them that I was threatened and the like. You may not consider that harassment either, I don't know. But I do, and I've had it happen before. And given that I have no real interest in derailing and limited interest in the topic of MovieBob, I'm just going to go ahead and bow out of the topic now. But you asked, so I answered.

 

[Neverhoodian]

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Fair enough. Sorry to hear you had to put up with all that. People can do thoughtless/asinine things when their blood is up.

Like I said, I didn't follow the GG megathread or similar topics all that closely; it was too hard to keep up with anyway.

 

[Silvanus]

Alright then, who in this thread is so hypocritical? Who shouldn't be criticizing Bob? Can you name the subject of your post?

Yet again, I never said people shouldn't be criticising Bob. That is something you made up.

Just proof that you reap what you sow.

More to the point, it's indicative that people are unable or unwilling to adopt the standards they hold others to.

Who is the subject of your posts? Why are you posting like this?

Do you really see those two quotes as contradicting one another? That is not saying people shouldn't be criticising him.

I was referring to posts like these; 1 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack#23527539], 2 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23527960], 3 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23528198]. Ones which take pot-shots about mental health issues, social skills, or the familiar (political) "SJW" jibe. It's reached such a fever pitch, it feels like the Two-Minutes Hate in here.

And I'm criticised for "apologism" for the above, though I haven't said three words in the guy's defence? Just not being loud enough in condemnation is a fucking issue, now. Bollocks to that.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Alright then, who in this thread is so hypocritical? Who shouldn't be criticizing Bob? Can you name the subject of your post?

Yet again, I never said people shouldn't be criticising Bob. That is something you made up.

Just proof that you reap what you sow.

More to the point, it's indicative that people are unable or unwilling to adopt the standards they hold others to.

Who is the subject of your posts? Why are you posting like this?

Do you really see those two quotes as contradicting one another? That is not saying people shouldn't be criticising him.

I was referring to posts like these; 1 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack#23527539], 2 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23527960], 3 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23528198]. Ones which take pot-shots about mental health issues, social skills, or the familiar (political) "SJW" jibe. It's reached such a fever pitch, it feels like the Two-Minutes Hate in here.

Then quote them instead of passive aggressively pointing to everyone in the thread. Because I should point out that of those, only the first actually falls under what you're criticizing. The other two are pointing out his venomous personality. That's actually a pretty common theme.

The people who are criticizing him for putting his politics into everything are pretty much just saying it lowers the quality of his videos. The people saying fuck Bob might not like that either, but they're referencing the fact that he's kind of a bad person. You posted maybe, MAYBE, one example of someone who genuinely dislikes Bob because he injects his political opinions everywhere.

You're conflating the two groups to try and call the people criticizing him hypocrites (which they aren't) in a passive-aggressive way. So answer my other question, why are you posting like this? Is it because you don't want people criticizing Bob? Do you just want to feel superior?

And I'm criticised for "apologism" for the above, though I haven't said three words in the guy's defence? Just not being loud enough in condemnation is a fucking issue, now. Bollocks to that.

No, I'm accusing you of apologism because you're trying to stop people from criticizing Bob.

 

[Silvanus]

Which is one of the reasons people don't like Bob, he uses the exacts same 'with us or against us' tactic. I don't think you need to condemn anyone to prove a point, but I do find that it is required more from the SJW side than anyone else.

Unrelated political insults.

Then quote them instead of passive aggressively pointing to everyone in the thread. Because I should point out that of those, only the first actually falls under what you're criticizing. The other two are pointing out his venomous personality. That's actually a pretty common theme.

What I was criticising was personal animosity bleeding into every thread he's mentioned in, regardless of relevance, or whether he's done anything new. They fit the bill.

So answer my other question, why are you posting like this? Is it because you don't want people criticizing Bob? Do you just want to feel superior?

Aaand we're done here. If it's always going to default to this mindless notion that I just don't want any criticism at all, there's no point in continuing.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Then quote them instead of passive aggressively pointing to everyone in the thread. Because I should point out that of those, only the first actually falls under what you're criticizing. The other two are pointing out his venomous personality. That's actually a pretty common theme.

What I was criticising was personal animosity bleeding into every thread he's mentioned in, regardless of relevance, or whether he's done anything new. They fit the bill.

Possibly because he's done a lot of work to insult a lot of people. If you set yourself up as a toxic person, you'll get a lot of toxic responses. What's your issue? That they have a different opinion of Bob from you? Why are you calling them hypocrites if they express their opinion?

So answer my other question, why are you posting like this? Is it because you don't want people criticizing Bob? Do you just want to feel superior?

Aaand we're done here. If it's always going to default to this mindless notion that I just don't want any criticism at all, there's no point in continuing.

You haven't yet given a purpose to your posts. I'm defaulting to that because assuming you want to feel smug is demeaning and I can't see any other contribution to the thread from your posts. You won't give any sort of answer either.

 

[Silvanus]

I don't know about apologism, but you seem to be trying to deflect attention and criticism from a really disgusting person. Now you're acting hurt and offended when people are insisting that what they're doing is not equivalent to what he does. You seem unable to refute that, and are getting more upset.

Why is that I wonder?

If you cannot see the difference between criticising a critic and defending their target, then there's nothing else I can say. They're simply not the same thing.

As for acting "hurt and offended", I've given no greater indication of that than those I've been arguing with. It's just a classic tactic to claim hysteria on behalf of the opposition.

 

[RJ 17]

I was referring to posts like these; 1 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack#23527539], 2 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23527960], 3 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23528198]. Ones which take pot-shots about mental health issues, social skills, or the familiar (political) "SJW" jibe. It's reached such a fever pitch, it feels like the Two-Minutes Hate in here.

Don't know what you're bickering about with everyone else, but I'd just like to point out that there was no hate in the post of mine that you've referenced. I simply pointed out Bob's style of review involves a lot of politicizing, and as was implied by my original post: that's not the kind of thing I like in my reviews. Talk about why the game/movie is good or bad, I don't need a sermon on how the game or movie symbolizes the decay of western society.

To be clear: I wouldn't care if he was a gun-toting right-wing conspiracy any more than I care if he's a raving communist...I just don't like having politics mixed up in reviews for games and/or movies. I dislike the way he plies his trade, I've no reason to dislike him as a person because quite frankly I really don't care about any random talking head on the internet enough to hold a grudge.

 

[Redryhno]

I was referring to posts like these; 1 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack#23527539], 2 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23527960], 3 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.934808-Has-MovieBob-been-fired-from-ScrewAttack?page=2#23528198]. Ones which take pot-shots about mental health issues, social skills, or the familiar (political) "SJW" jibe. It's reached such a fever pitch, it feels like the Two-Minutes Hate in here.

Don't know what you're bickering about with everyone else, but I'd just like to point out that there was no hate in the post of mine that you've referenced. I simply pointed out Bob's style of review involves a lot of politicizing, and as was implied by my original post: that's not the kind of thing I like in my reviews. Talk about why the game/movie is good or bad, I don't need a sermon on how the game or movie symbolizes the decay of western society.

To be clear: I wouldn't care if he was a gun-toting right-wing conspiracy any more than I care if he's a raving communist...I just don't like having politics mixed up in reviews for games and/or movies. I dislike the way he plies his trade, I've no reason to dislike him as a person because quite frankly I really don't care about any random talking head on the internet enough to hold a grudge.

To be fair, there's some games where explaining the politics of it can make it more understandable or make the reviewers views on it more nuanced. But I will agree Bob injected it where it wasn't needed far too often. Especially his Picture Pig stuff had too much in it even for a show that largely was just him blabbering about.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Which is one of the reasons people don't like Bob, he uses the exacts same 'with us or against us' tactic. I don't think you need to condemn anyone to prove a point, but I do find that it is required more from the SJW side than anyone else.

Unrelated political insults.

Then quote them instead of passive aggressively pointing to everyone in the thread. Because I should point out that of those, only the first actually falls under what you're criticizing. The other two are pointing out his venomous personality. That's actually a pretty common theme.

What I was criticising was personal animosity bleeding into every thread he's mentioned in, regardless of relevance, or whether he's done anything new. They fit the bill.

So answer my other question, why are you posting like this? Is it because you don't want people criticizing Bob? Do you just want to feel superior?

Aaand we're done here. If it's always going to default to this mindless notion that I just don't want any criticism at all, there's no point in continuing.

While I'll admit my "Fuck Bob" statement is immature, perhaps even hypocritical and completely in conflict with what I personally believe. I do genuinely feel that way, and it be going against my nature to take oppurtunity to express it... keeping in mind for a long time, even after he left he was still considered "Site Staff" and according to the rules off limits, even while he de-valued other human beings and "othered" people.

But I recognize my unDudeness towards MovieBob. Now why you indirectly quoted me to use as an example instead of outright calling me on it... I mean I would of preferred that to being just a link in your conversation with another user.

 

[Kameburger]

Wait wait wait.........

You're telling me people still care about MovieBob? Mr. "I Can't Review Anything Without Forcing My Personal Political Beliefs Upon The Audience While Judging The Thing I'm Reviewing Based Upon Said Personal Political Beliefs"?

Wow, that's a long name.

Yeah. He's even got a paying gig at screenrant, and got a lot of positive press for his Pixels review. General opinion is escapist letting him go was essentially taking the ol double barrels to their own foot.

I used to think the Escapist letting him go was more of a positive, but now I'm starting to agree with your second statement. it's not as though he didn't do enough to warrant them letting him go, as he put them in a position where they had to either get behind his beliefs or distance themselves from them, and they chose the latter. But at the same time, Him and Jim leaving meant that they lost 2 out of the 3 personalities they really had on the site. I'm not a big fan of what they replaced it with...So yeah I think they may very well have shot themselves in the foot...

 

[sky14kemea]

Oh no! The hate train has crashed!

Sorry guys but the question was already answered. That's enough of your nonsense.

IIRC he explained on his site that ScrewAttack's adopting a season-style approach to content. His shows are having a break and will be back when another show goes on a break.