Hating Multiplayer Creep
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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'I only raise objections when its presence interferes with my beloved single player experiences without me asking for it, like when games like Spec Ops: The Line are forced to waste effort on a shit multiplayer mode, effort that they could have spent on making the single player campaign even more amazing.'
This is basically my oppinion on any critisism I raise over a piece of art/media/whatever. Im only mad because its a missed oppurtunity, we could have had something kickass or new and intersting but instead we get Mr.Mc Blandys safe adventure with checkpoints... its not nice to think about the number of good ideas that fail to get green lite because someone thinks its a good idea to try and make a shitty clone of something thats already there doing it 1000 times better.
This is basically my oppinion on any critisism I raise over a piece of art/media/whatever. Im only mad because its a missed oppurtunity, we could have had something kickass or new and intersting but instead we get Mr.Mc Blandys safe adventure with checkpoints... its not nice to think about the number of good ideas that fail to get green lite because someone thinks its a good idea to try and make a shitty clone of something thats already there doing it 1000 times better.
Very insightful and funny as usual Yahtzee.
Luckily I don't have as much of a "problem" with playing games with strangers, I'll even chat to them, but I definitely don't like going out with people. Even with friends and family I find small talk to be useless and dull and as a result I avoid going out with friends and family too.
As for the lonely drinker "problem", there is nothing wrong with it.
Captcha: had me at hello
Yahtzee certainly did
Luckily I don't have as much of a "problem" with playing games with strangers, I'll even chat to them, but I definitely don't like going out with people. Even with friends and family I find small talk to be useless and dull and as a result I avoid going out with friends and family too.
As for the lonely drinker "problem", there is nothing wrong with it.
Captcha: had me at hello
Yahtzee certainly did
I think that I'm an online introvert; I like talking to people in person, and I love meeting people who are interesting. But when I try to interact with people on the internet I often feel like I'm trying to talk to a really stupid, really boring, really unfunny version of the borg collective. Like there is this AI hive mind, but rather than being a cold, emotionless and calculating super intelligence it's a really incompetent, spastic, non-intelligence that's constantly spouting references and paraphrasing marketing/PR speak.
I have a hard time seeing why people find it enjoyable to have the tard hive mind butting into their entrainment media. Why would I want to watch a movie while a voice in the room shouts "I AM PLAYING SKYRIM BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS PLAYING SKYRIM! DO YOU REMEMBER HOW A LOT OF NPCS IN SKYRIM SAY I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE? HUH? DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? THEY SAY I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE A LOT! I'M GOING TO SAY IT NOW! I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE! THATS FUNNY RIGHT? DO YOU GET IT? ITS LIKE THEY SAY THAT IN SKYRIM AND NOW I'M SAYING IT! I AM IN THE GROUP!"
I have a hard time seeing why people find it enjoyable to have the tard hive mind butting into their entrainment media. Why would I want to watch a movie while a voice in the room shouts "I AM PLAYING SKYRIM BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS PLAYING SKYRIM! DO YOU REMEMBER HOW A LOT OF NPCS IN SKYRIM SAY I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE? HUH? DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? THEY SAY I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE A LOT! I'M GOING TO SAY IT NOW! I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE! THATS FUNNY RIGHT? DO YOU GET IT? ITS LIKE THEY SAY THAT IN SKYRIM AND NOW I'M SAYING IT! I AM IN THE GROUP!"
Curtains drawn, drink in cup and in stomach, dinner enough for two, eaten by one, with leftovers for tomorrow, a couple of friends at text's distance if I'm feeling talkative, room aglow with a soft warm light from my lamp (not the blinding white light), and wall behind me lit from the glow of either my computer or the tv or both, unless I'm reading.
I don't like multiplayer if the person isn't next to me or I don't actually know them, and even then, there are few games where I actually want to play with other people.
When I go out, I'm out. I can be fun, and sociable, and have a decent rapport with the people around me.
But when I'm in, playing games, or reading, I'm usually by myself, and I like it that way. On occasion, I've played a co-op game with a partner, or some friends might come over and we'll all pass around controllers or beat on plastic instruments, but the majority of my gaming is done with just me.
And that's how I like it.
I don't like multiplayer if the person isn't next to me or I don't actually know them, and even then, there are few games where I actually want to play with other people.
When I go out, I'm out. I can be fun, and sociable, and have a decent rapport with the people around me.
But when I'm in, playing games, or reading, I'm usually by myself, and I like it that way. On occasion, I've played a co-op game with a partner, or some friends might come over and we'll all pass around controllers or beat on plastic instruments, but the majority of my gaming is done with just me.
And that's how I like it.
Entirely on board with this - I still haven't been able to bring myself to play Journey, despite the fact that I'd been looking forward to it for a very long time through its development cycle and even had it preordered. It's probably the one game in the last 5 years that I'd actually been looking forward to, and reviews and word of mouth have only encouraged my interest further... Yet... The "multiplayer" part has kept me at arms' length from day one, and the game just sits there in the XMB, taunting me on a daily basis.
Pessimistic, perhaps, but I just don't want to be responsible for someone else's enjoyment, or dependent upon someone else for my own.
Pessimistic, perhaps, but I just don't want to be responsible for someone else's enjoyment, or dependent upon someone else for my own.
From what I hear, Borderlands 2's single player is identical to its co-op, but without teammates. Like, they don't even scale down the enemies to account for you having a quarter of the firepower and enemies having a quarter of the targets to shoot at. Is that true? Magicka did the same damn thing, but at least the co-op in that game is often so hectic that additional players can be as much a liability as an asset.
I still don't understand why the idea of making games that are multiplayer-only, a la Quake III Arena and Unreal Tournament, never stuck. Seems to me like more and more it's the single-player campaigns that are tacked on and rushed out of some feeling of obligation. Do Sony and Microsoft have some sort of guideline requiring games to be playable without a working Internet or multiple controllers? And if so, wouldn't a bot mode (like in Left 4 Dead) satisfy that requirement just fine? It's not like we haven't spent the last decade and a half improving and perfecting multiplayer AI technology. Valve seems like the only company left that still understands this.
And speaking of Valve, I'm surprised you didn't bring up Gabe Newell's recent statement about how Portal 2 would be their last game with an "isolated single-player experience." Given that they're just about the only video game company you still like, I was hoping you'd use the excuse to rant about that.
I still don't understand why the idea of making games that are multiplayer-only, a la Quake III Arena and Unreal Tournament, never stuck. Seems to me like more and more it's the single-player campaigns that are tacked on and rushed out of some feeling of obligation. Do Sony and Microsoft have some sort of guideline requiring games to be playable without a working Internet or multiple controllers? And if so, wouldn't a bot mode (like in Left 4 Dead) satisfy that requirement just fine? It's not like we haven't spent the last decade and a half improving and perfecting multiplayer AI technology. Valve seems like the only company left that still understands this.
And speaking of Valve, I'm surprised you didn't bring up Gabe Newell's recent statement about how Portal 2 would be their last game with an "isolated single-player experience." Given that they're just about the only video game company you still like, I was hoping you'd use the excuse to rant about that.
This... thank you for this.
I am bad at games. My reaction time is horrible, I don't care about strategy, etc, etc... I will sometimes play multiplayer with my friends, but I always lose horribly and spend the whole time making self-deprecating jokes. I usually enjoy that, don't get me wrong, but competing with other people is not why I play games.
The thing that draws me to games is the value of a powerful singleplayer experience ? the sort of feeling you get from a run-through of Half-Life or Portal or Iji that you just wouldn't get from a movie or a book. I may only be able to play on Normal difficulty most of the time, but singleplayer experiences are why I like games.
As always, you are a shining light reason in this depressing world. (No Irony)
You are completely right with what you said. I am an introvert too and it really bugs me, when people try to "help me" enjoy the "important things" of life. Everyone just assumes that you really, reaaaaaally want to go clubbing or talk for hours on facebook/ICQ/Skype about meaningless nonsense.
I enjoy the company of my friends, but i want some time for myself, too. Being an introvert really brands you as looser today.
There are studies that suggest that introverts are more intelligent, as they tend to think more. But will the people listen? No, cause there is always one extrovert in the room with a lampshade on his Head and a bottle of *insert alcoholic brand here* in his hand, screaming for attention.
The problem with being an introvert is that extroverts are louder. And at this day and age people tend to think that louder means better.
You are completely right with what you said. I am an introvert too and it really bugs me, when people try to "help me" enjoy the "important things" of life. Everyone just assumes that you really, reaaaaaally want to go clubbing or talk for hours on facebook/ICQ/Skype about meaningless nonsense.
I enjoy the company of my friends, but i want some time for myself, too. Being an introvert really brands you as looser today.
There are studies that suggest that introverts are more intelligent, as they tend to think more. But will the people listen? No, cause there is always one extrovert in the room with a lampshade on his Head and a bottle of *insert alcoholic brand here* in his hand, screaming for attention.
The problem with being an introvert is that extroverts are louder. And at this day and age people tend to think that louder means better.
I agree with this. However, I haven't had a hard time doing Borderlands 1/2 by myself. Some parts were a bit difficult, but I managed to get passed them. Orcs Must Die 2, on the other hand, I quit playing due to the extreme focus on coop. Maybe only two or three (if that) levels where you only had to put traps in one area and not watch multiple sides. Once it got to the point where I was having to look up on youtube how to set the traps up just right and make sure I was on the right side at the right time just to have hopes to beat the level by myself, I quit playing.
For the record everytime I saw borderlands 2 advertised it said "Kick Ass. Bring Friends." Or something along those lines. What I don't like is when we're supposed to believe playing anything online on our own is fun. No-one goes paintballing on their own, so why should we play team games online with strangers, when communication and cooperation is key to winning and fun, and people who have just met, who can't talk to each other, can't do that with any enjoyment.
Although I did go paintballing once and there was this one nutter in camo gear who tried to order us about. I think he wanted us to be a 'distraction'....See, imagine him online!
Although I did go paintballing once and there was this one nutter in camo gear who tried to order us about. I think he wanted us to be a 'distraction'....See, imagine him online!
It's not really the developers hating on introverts though, it's the corporate, suit wearing, investor types who cause it. Most programmers are stereotypically introverts, but then some higher-up says the game needs some compatibility with social type programs so they can advertise that part.
Knowing as I do that there is a very minor chance that he bothers to read these threads at all, I just have to say that this article really touched me because I, too, find the societal assumption that I am just some shy flower waiting for someone dynamic to bring me out of my shell insulting. I don't want to go out partying, or hang out with giant crowds of people, because those things don't appeal to me at my very core. There is no part of me that craves that sort of thing and never has.
It's nice to see Yahtzee's human side a bit more.
The last "I hate multiplayer" XP he wrote that I remember (in response to Modern Warfare 2, I believe) he came off as a jaded misanthrope in distilled, unbridled form.
This one was much more raw, and as lifetime, unapologetic introvert, I greatly empathize.
I don't WANT to use GameCenter on my iPhone because I don't give a toss what other people are playing! And no, I don't WANT my Facebook to "push" when when I'm not using it!
I don't WANT to play on Xbox Live! I GREATLY prefer single-player to multiplayer, and I DON'T CARE how many millions are playing COD online, I DON'T WANT TO!
I've had to spell these things out so many times because so many people just don't "get" that I really truly don't care about playing multiplayer games on Xbox Live
These things don't make me wrong, they just make me introverted, and there's nothing wrong with that, damn it.
The last "I hate multiplayer" XP he wrote that I remember (in response to Modern Warfare 2, I believe) he came off as a jaded misanthrope in distilled, unbridled form.
This one was much more raw, and as lifetime, unapologetic introvert, I greatly empathize.
I don't WANT to use GameCenter on my iPhone because I don't give a toss what other people are playing! And no, I don't WANT my Facebook to "push" when when I'm not using it!
I don't WANT to play on Xbox Live! I GREATLY prefer single-player to multiplayer, and I DON'T CARE how many millions are playing COD online, I DON'T WANT TO!
I've had to spell these things out so many times because so many people just don't "get" that I really truly don't care about playing multiplayer games on Xbox Live
These things don't make me wrong, they just make me introverted, and there's nothing wrong with that, damn it.
This makes me feel so much better.
I have social anxiety. I'm not "shy" or "introverted," I'm actually really frigging terrified of people. I do not DO social interaction very well. It takes time with me. Video games are one of my safe havens, where I can go and be ALONE and have fun. If they keep putting other people into my safe haven, it will no longer be a haven and I will no longer be able to go there. I resent the hell out of that.
I've had "friends," and I use the term loosely, who want to try and "draw me out of my shell." These are the friends who, six minutes into a four-hour car ride, ask what I've done about getting rid of my anxiety and it's been two years already since they found out I have it so come ON what are you waiting for?! Like I can call up a person mechanic and ask them to fix my fears. Like I'd even really want to. Sure, the crippling fear part is something I want to get rid of, but I don't WANT to be a social butterfly. I LIKE being by myself, with my pets, and hanging out with my fiance or A friend. Why does that have to be a bad thing?
I have social anxiety. I'm not "shy" or "introverted," I'm actually really frigging terrified of people. I do not DO social interaction very well. It takes time with me. Video games are one of my safe havens, where I can go and be ALONE and have fun. If they keep putting other people into my safe haven, it will no longer be a haven and I will no longer be able to go there. I resent the hell out of that.
I've had "friends," and I use the term loosely, who want to try and "draw me out of my shell." These are the friends who, six minutes into a four-hour car ride, ask what I've done about getting rid of my anxiety and it's been two years already since they found out I have it so come ON what are you waiting for?! Like I can call up a person mechanic and ask them to fix my fears. Like I'd even really want to. Sure, the crippling fear part is something I want to get rid of, but I don't WANT to be a social butterfly. I LIKE being by myself, with my pets, and hanging out with my fiance or A friend. Why does that have to be a bad thing?
I agree wholeheartedly with the article. VALV[sup]E[/sup] know how to do this properly. Want an amazing singleplayer experience? Portal. Want an amazing Multiplayer game? Team Fortress 2.
Of course, there was HL: Deathmatch, which wasn't as good as Quake. and the MP mode of Portal 2. Which was...less good...than Portal 2's singleplayer.
Well no one's perfect, I guess.
Except Columbo.
Of course, there was HL: Deathmatch, which wasn't as good as Quake. and the MP mode of Portal 2. Which was...less good...than Portal 2's singleplayer.
Well no one's perfect, I guess.
Except Columbo.
Say it aint so!