Hatred steam page is up, they kept the AO rating, first steam game to be sold with such rating

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There has never been a game in the history of games that has made me roll my eyes as much and as hard as Hatred. EVERYTHING about this game screams of immaturity, and will be used as evidence against the medium. That is frustrating beyond belief, and it really couldn't be coming out at a worse time where we are seeing the idea of gaming as an art being more accepted.

That being said it is a good thing that Steam is hosting it. It will bring the game some distribution, but if we want to have games seen as art then even the filth will have to be released and available. All the other mediums have had to deal with this shit too.

Also I think that the ESRB's rating is spot on- but really needed to add some context. The difference between this game and say the Postal series is tone, not content. Postal in its heart is a joke. A bad joke, but it isn't taking the murder and the chaos at face value. Hatred, however, is. Manhunt 2, did. There really needs to be a qualifier in the wording of the rating that is more implicit about the tone of the violence. I don't think that adding "Intense" to the "Violence Blood and Gore", counts.
 

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It does kind of irk me that so many people completely dismiss the premise of Hatred. There is some value in a game that takes an open ended chaos genre, similar to GTA, and does away with the black humor and satire, and instead, does it with a completely straight face. Kind of like what Spec Ops: The Line did with the modern military shooter genre, stripping away the things that make us feel comfortable and the false sense of justification with the violence.

Given how laughable the main characters monologue is in Hatred's trailer..I doubt that will be that effective ;p
 

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Good. I'm glad steam has decided it's customers are mature enough to decide on their own.

Obviously private businesses can host whatever products they choose, or don't choose, however, I'm glad that Steam has put faith in the idea that people are actually capable of realising that video games aren't mind control devices.
 

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SweetShark said:
In a Steam Discussion, one of the developers said if you as a player don't start killing immediately, the game will find a way to pull the trigger in the end.
I hope for illusions of you starting killing Demons, only to find that the demons was people.
If they do the think where games follow logic it'll probably be as simple as you're a guy walking around with an arsenal and the police will be interested in that. Fortunately it's on PC so i'm sure a flowers and bunny rabbits mod will happen before too long.
 

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inu-kun said:
I'll just wait for Yahtzee's/Angry Joe's review, who knows, maybe the game will be a good subversion or deconstruction, maybe the gameplay will be great, maybe the story will be more than meets the eye... not likely, but there are always surprises.
I thought Angry Joe don't have any kind of interest to play this game at all. The game is after all in his Top 10 Disappointments of 2014.

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Sorry, I meant Top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2014.
 

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Thomas Guy said:
As much as I can see this doing good for the industries fear of AO, this game is just so stupid and juvenile looking. The trailer sounded like some pissed of 15 year olds facebook whine session.
It's like Nathan explosion had a game made
 

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BreakfastMan said:
Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.
man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)
 

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vledleR said:
It does kind of irk me that so many people completely dismiss the premise of Hatred. There is some value in a game that takes an open ended chaos genre, similar to GTA, and does away with the black humor and satire, and instead, does it with a completely straight face. Kind of like what Spec Ops: The Line did with the modern military shooter genre, stripping away the things that make us feel comfortable and the false sense of justification with the violence.

Given how laughable the main characters monologue is in Hatred's trailer..I doubt that will be that effective ;p
its an indie game, do you expect the dialogue to be anything above fanfiction tier?

did you play dust? i still cringe

Soda Spider said:
Thomas Guy said:
As much as I can see this doing good for the industries fear of AO, this game is just so stupid and juvenile looking. The trailer sounded like some pissed of 15 year olds facebook whine session.
It's like Nathan explosion had a game made
are you implying thats a bad thing in any way shape or form?
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
BreakfastMan said:
Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.
man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)
I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?
 

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BreakfastMan said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
BreakfastMan said:
Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.
man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)
I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?
i am not one bit agaisnt games with sexual content being sold on steam

so, yeah, why not
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
BreakfastMan said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
BreakfastMan said:
Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.
man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)
I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?
i am not one bit agaisnt games with sexual content being sold on steam

so, yeah, why not
Well, people have to give a shit first. Apparently people gave a shit about Hatred, for some unknown reason. We need to figure out how to get people to give a shit about sexually explicit games (preferably gay-themed ones, otherwise those will be left out in the cold when straight-themed ones get on steam, because icky gays). Maybe get /v/ to rally around some yuri game on greenlight, to get that in. That could work...
 

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BreakfastMan said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
BreakfastMan said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
BreakfastMan said:
Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.
man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)
I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?
i am not one bit agaisnt games with sexual content being sold on steam

so, yeah, why not
Well, people have to give a shit first. Apparently people gave a shit about Hatred, for some unknown reason. We need to figure out how to get people to give a shit about sexually explicit games (preferably gay-themed ones, otherwise those will be left out in the cold when straight-themed ones get on steam, because icky gays). Maybe get /v/ to rally around some yuri game on greenlight, to get that in. That could work...
i think its better to simply rally for more sexual content, if that goes through, the gay stuff will obviously follow, valve has clearly shown no interest in where you put your dick/vagina

i honestly think we are approaching that state of more open sexuality on steam, with hatred establishing a precedent for AO games on the platform and more and more sexy VN not only being accepted into the platform but actually selling WELL, i think its just a matter of time, theres money to be made here
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
vledleR said:
It does kind of irk me that so many people completely dismiss the premise of Hatred. There is some value in a game that takes an open ended chaos genre, similar to GTA, and does away with the black humor and satire, and instead, does it with a completely straight face. Kind of like what Spec Ops: The Line did with the modern military shooter genre, stripping away the things that make us feel comfortable and the false sense of justification with the violence.

Given how laughable the main characters monologue is in Hatred's trailer..I doubt that will be that effective ;p
its an indie game, do you expect the dialogue to be anything above fanfiction tier?

did you play dust? i still cringe

Soda Spider said:
Thomas Guy said:
As much as I can see this doing good for the industries fear of AO, this game is just so stupid and juvenile looking. The trailer sounded like some pissed of 15 year olds facebook whine session.
It's like Nathan explosion had a game made
are you implying thats a bad thing in any way shape or form?
Not at all
 

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Two of its tags are "Cute" and "Female Protagonist". I for one am appalled that they felt that they had to make the protagonist cute just because she's a grill.
 

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Interesting. I wonder if this will lead to the AO rating being more legitimized, or prove to be an extremely unusual exception. I suspect games could actually stand to make more use of AO; some "M" games are surprisingly tame, others really shouldn't be played by anyone under 17, but I don't always get the impression every parent is as on top of monitoring the ratings of what their progeny plays as they should be.

In any case, I'm glad to hear Valve is bold enough to stick to their guns; now it's just up to Destructive Creations to make a game that's actually worth playing, rather than one that's simply milking controversy.
 

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Callate said:
Interesting. I wonder if this will lead to the AO rating being more legitimized, or prove to be an extremely unusual exception. I suspect games could actually stand to make more use of AO; some "M" games are surprisingly tame, others really shouldn't be played by anyone under 17, but I don't always get the impression every parent is as on top of monitoring the ratings of what their progeny plays as they should be.

In any case, I'm glad to hear Valve is bold enough to stick to their guns; now it's just up to Destructive Creations to make a game that's actually worth playing, rather than one that's simply milking controversy.
Yeah, I mean really. How hard would it be to implement a age restriction system that specifically requires the holder of the credit card attached to the account and email and to have users specifically enable seeing these games in the store? Go ahead and add a secondary password to enable showing them at all in the games list and not run from the executable or at all offline, in case you have kids that play on your account.

Or hell, just have two accounts. Stop being an idiot.

So little Billy can't buy porn games on Steam? I suppose he will just have to browse the hundreds of millions of potentially malware infested porn sites and download questionable torrents instead then. You know what the best thing about that is parents? You are likely to never know that he does that. You can only suspect he did if he is stupid enough to get viruses on your computer.

The US needs to get over it's hang-ups about sexuality. Hell, Valve is based in the states - If they can get the sales of erotic games going that's more tax money to benefit everyone else.
 

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Mutant1988 said:
Yeah, I mean really. How hard would it be to implement a age restriction system that specifically requires the holder of the credit card attached to the account and email and to have users specifically enable seeing these games in the store? Go ahead and add a secondary password to enable showing them at all in the games list and not run from the executable or at all offline, in case you have kids that play on your account.
Eh, I would have to oppose this, since I don't actually have a credit card, yet I'm more old enough to buy this game.

The US needs to get over it's hang-ups about sexuality. Hell, Valve is based in the states - If they can get the sales of erotic games going that's more tax money to benefit everyone else.
I think we need to stop and think about how ridiculous it is that a single woman's nipple is more offensive than graphic murder. It's an attitude that's so ingrained that when you actually step back and look at it you realise just how preposterous it is.
I can more or less understand the opposition to showing sex to minors, but I wonder what the prudes actually think will happen if nudity is show "too early."
 

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FirstNameLastName said:
Eh, I would have to oppose this, since I don't actually have a credit card, yet I'm more old enough to buy this game.
Hmm, yeah. I suppose there's payment methods that aren't specifically tied to a person - Like pre-paid cards.

That shot down that idea then.

But my point being - If they can hide the very existence of that marketplace to those that are not legally allowed to browse or purchase such content then I fail to see why it should be such a big deal.

To be perfectly fair and I don't mean this in an insensitive way - But if the only way to ensure that is by credit cards, I'm fine with you just not buying these games. Through Steam at least.

I think it would be a good step forward to remove the stigma of erotica as well as explicitly child unfriendly games. Adults Only means that Adults should be allowed to see and legally purchase it. Most might not want to, but I think it would be good for society if those that do could.

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I can more or less understand the opposition to showing sex to minors, but I wonder what the prudes actually think will happen if nudity is show "too early."
Uncomfortable questions they are too immature themselves to answer.

It's really just that simple. If we were more open with kids about sexuality (Non-parent speaking here), I think our society and the future generation would become a lot more open to differences and secure with their own and others sexuality.

I think it's mostly just religious conservatives that violently oppose the idea anyway. All other people are likely just embarrassed about the whole thing.