Hatred steam page is up, they kept the AO rating, first steam game to be sold with such rating

[vledleR]

It does kind of irk me that so many people completely dismiss the premise of Hatred. There is some value in a game that takes an open ended chaos genre, similar to GTA, and does away with the black humor and satire, and instead, does it with a completely straight face. Kind of like what Spec Ops: The Line did with the modern military shooter genre, stripping away the things that make us feel comfortable and the false sense of justification with the violence.

Given how laughable the main characters monologue is in Hatred's trailer..I doubt that will be that effective ;p

 

[The Lunatic]

Good. I'm glad steam has decided it's customers are mature enough to decide on their own.

Obviously private businesses can host whatever products they choose, or don't choose, however, I'm glad that Steam has put faith in the idea that people are actually capable of realising that video games aren't mind control devices.

 

[SecondPrize]

In a Steam Discussion, one of the developers said if you as a player don't start killing immediately, the game will find a way to pull the trigger in the end.
I hope for illusions of you starting killing Demons, only to find that the demons was people.

If they do the think where games follow logic it'll probably be as simple as you're a guy walking around with an arsenal and the police will be interested in that. Fortunately it's on PC so i'm sure a flowers and bunny rabbits mod will happen before too long.

 

[SweetShark]

I'll just wait for Yahtzee's/Angry Joe's review, who knows, maybe the game will be a good subversion or deconstruction, maybe the gameplay will be great, maybe the story will be more than meets the eye... not likely, but there are always surprises.

I thought Angry Joe don't have any kind of interest to play this game at all. The game is after all in his Top 10 Disappointments of 2014.

EDIT:
Sorry, I meant Top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2014.

 

[Soda Spider]

As much as I can see this doing good for the industries fear of AO, this game is just so stupid and juvenile looking. The trailer sounded like some pissed of 15 year olds facebook whine session.

It's like Nathan explosion had a game made

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.

man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

It does kind of irk me that so many people completely dismiss the premise of Hatred. There is some value in a game that takes an open ended chaos genre, similar to GTA, and does away with the black humor and satire, and instead, does it with a completely straight face. Kind of like what Spec Ops: The Line did with the modern military shooter genre, stripping away the things that make us feel comfortable and the false sense of justification with the violence.

Given how laughable the main characters monologue is in Hatred's trailer..I doubt that will be that effective ;p

its an indie game, do you expect the dialogue to be anything above fanfiction tier?

did you play dust? i still cringe

As much as I can see this doing good for the industries fear of AO, this game is just so stupid and juvenile looking. The trailer sounded like some pissed of 15 year olds facebook whine session.

It's like Nathan explosion had a game made

are you implying thats a bad thing in any way shape or form?

 

[BreakfastMan]

Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.

man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)

I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.

man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)

I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?

i am not one bit agaisnt games with sexual content being sold on steam

so, yeah, why not

 

[BreakfastMan]

Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.

man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)

I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?

i am not one bit agaisnt games with sexual content being sold on steam

so, yeah, why not

Well, people have to give a shit first. Apparently people gave a shit about Hatred, for some unknown reason. We need to figure out how to get people to give a shit about sexually explicit games (preferably gay-themed ones, otherwise those will be left out in the cold when straight-themed ones get on steam, because icky gays). Maybe get /v/ to rally around some yuri game on greenlight, to get that in. That could work...

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Well, if this gets on steam, despite the AO rating and the controversy, lets get the gay dating game on there too. Open up the flood-gates to the sex games, straight or not. And no, I am not being sarcastic, they really should do this. Fight the sex prudes and the homophobes, yo.

man where have you been?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312970/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/ (the main character can either be a man or a lesbian)

I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?

i am not one bit agaisnt games with sexual content being sold on steam

so, yeah, why not

Well, people have to give a shit first. Apparently people gave a shit about Hatred, for some unknown reason. We need to figure out how to get people to give a shit about sexually explicit games (preferably gay-themed ones, otherwise those will be left out in the cold when straight-themed ones get on steam, because icky gays). Maybe get /v/ to rally around some yuri game on greenlight, to get that in. That could work...

i think its better to simply rally for more sexual content, if that goes through, the gay stuff will obviously follow, valve has clearly shown no interest in where you put your dick/vagina

i honestly think we are approaching that state of more open sexuality on steam, with hatred establishing a precedent for AO games on the platform and more and more sexy VN not only being accepted into the platform but actually selling WELL, i think its just a matter of time, theres money to be made here

 

[Soda Spider]

It does kind of irk me that so many people completely dismiss the premise of Hatred. There is some value in a game that takes an open ended chaos genre, similar to GTA, and does away with the black humor and satire, and instead, does it with a completely straight face. Kind of like what Spec Ops: The Line did with the modern military shooter genre, stripping away the things that make us feel comfortable and the false sense of justification with the violence.

Given how laughable the main characters monologue is in Hatred's trailer..I doubt that will be that effective ;p

its an indie game, do you expect the dialogue to be anything above fanfiction tier?

did you play dust? i still cringe

As much as I can see this doing good for the industries fear of AO, this game is just so stupid and juvenile looking. The trailer sounded like some pissed of 15 year olds facebook whine session.

It's like Nathan explosion had a game made

are you implying thats a bad thing in any way shape or form?

Not at all

 

[Godhead]

Two of its tags are "Cute" and "Female Protagonist". I for one am appalled that they felt that they had to make the protagonist cute just because she's a grill.

 

[Callate]

Interesting. I wonder if this will lead to the AO rating being more legitimized, or prove to be an extremely unusual exception. I suspect games could actually stand to make more use of AO; some "M" games are surprisingly tame, others really shouldn't be played by anyone under 17, but I don't always get the impression every parent is as on top of monitoring the ratings of what their progeny plays as they should be.

In any case, I'm glad to hear Valve is bold enough to stick to their guns; now it's just up to Destructive Creations to make a game that's actually worth playing, rather than one that's simply milking controversy.

 

[Mutant1988]

Interesting. I wonder if this will lead to the AO rating being more legitimized, or prove to be an extremely unusual exception. I suspect games could actually stand to make more use of AO; some "M" games are surprisingly tame, others really shouldn't be played by anyone under 17, but I don't always get the impression every parent is as on top of monitoring the ratings of what their progeny plays as they should be.

In any case, I'm glad to hear Valve is bold enough to stick to their guns; now it's just up to Destructive Creations to make a game that's actually worth playing, rather than one that's simply milking controversy.

Yeah, I mean really. How hard would it be to implement a age restriction system that specifically requires the holder of the credit card attached to the account and email and to have users specifically enable seeing these games in the store? Go ahead and add a secondary password to enable showing them at all in the games list and not run from the executable or at all offline, in case you have kids that play on your account.

Or hell, just have two accounts. Stop being an idiot.

So little Billy can't buy porn games on Steam? I suppose he will just have to browse the hundreds of millions of potentially malware infested porn sites and download questionable torrents instead then. You know what the best thing about that is parents? You are likely to never know that he does that. You can only suspect he did if he is stupid enough to get viruses on your computer.

The US needs to get over it's hang-ups about sexuality. Hell, Valve is based in the states - If they can get the sales of erotic games going that's more tax money to benefit everyone else.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

Yeah, I mean really. How hard would it be to implement a age restriction system that specifically requires the holder of the credit card attached to the account and email and to have users specifically enable seeing these games in the store? Go ahead and add a secondary password to enable showing them at all in the games list and not run from the executable or at all offline, in case you have kids that play on your account.

Eh, I would have to oppose this, since I don't actually have a credit card, yet I'm more old enough to buy this game.

The US needs to get over it's hang-ups about sexuality. Hell, Valve is based in the states - If they can get the sales of erotic games going that's more tax money to benefit everyone else.

I think we need to stop and think about how ridiculous it is that a single woman's nipple is more offensive than graphic murder. It's an attitude that's so ingrained that when you actually step back and look at it you realise just how preposterous it is.
I can more or less understand the opposition to showing sex to minors, but I wonder what the prudes actually think will happen if nudity is show "too early."

 

[Mutant1988]

Eh, I would have to oppose this, since I don't actually have a credit card, yet I'm more old enough to buy this game.

Hmm, yeah. I suppose there's payment methods that aren't specifically tied to a person - Like pre-paid cards.

That shot down that idea then.

But my point being - If they can hide the very existence of that marketplace to those that are not legally allowed to browse or purchase such content then I fail to see why it should be such a big deal.

To be perfectly fair and I don't mean this in an insensitive way - But if the only way to ensure that is by credit cards, I'm fine with you just not buying these games. Through Steam at least.

I think it would be a good step forward to remove the stigma of erotica as well as explicitly child unfriendly games. Adults Only means that Adults should be allowed to see and legally purchase it. Most might not want to, but I think it would be good for society if those that do could.

I can more or less understand the opposition to showing sex to minors, but I wonder what the prudes actually think will happen if nudity is show "too early."

Uncomfortable questions they are too immature themselves to answer.

It's really just that simple. If we were more open with kids about sexuality (Non-parent speaking here), I think our society and the future generation would become a lot more open to differences and secure with their own and others sexuality.

I think it's mostly just religious conservatives that violently oppose the idea anyway. All other people are likely just embarrassed about the whole thing.

 

[chadachada123]

As much as I can see this doing good for the industries fear of AO, this game is just so stupid and juvenile looking. The trailer sounded like some pissed of 15 year olds facebook whine session.

Eh, I think a game would have to be good before it could drive change. At best, it will be ignored. At worst it will make things worse by reinforcing negative stereotypes in the publics mind. I'm pretty sure other AO titles have received steam releases, to little fanfare.

Such as? Since I can't find info on other AO games on Steam.

Really, if this game is going to have any actual impact it is going to be rating-wise. As far as I understand, Steam hasn't allowed AO-rated games to be sold on their distribution platform, so far anyway.
So this is going to either be a special case (which is questionable, what makes this special then?) or they'll have to remove that limitation.

I was thinking more graphic. Around the time Hatred was in greenlight, there was a gay dating sim that got rejected because it was too explicit. That "My Ex-Boyfriend" game has sex on the same level as Leasure Suit Larry, from what I gather. And the steam version of Huniepop was censored so it could be on steam, from what I remember; the full game that you can get from the website includes more nudity and explicit sex scenes. So yeah, if steam breaks their "no AO games" rule for this nonsense, how about they break their "no sex" rule as well?

I don't think there ever WAS a "No-AO games" rule, just a "No sex" rule. Since every game (besides Manhunt 2) that was rated AO was rated so because of sex, this is the very first time we've even had a chance for Steam to allow or disallow the rating by itself.

Personally, I think Valve should make a sister-client that goes alongside Steam (Vapor?) that contains games which feature sex. That way, everyone wins.

 

[Mutant1988]

Personally, I think Valve should make a sister-client that goes alongside Steam (Vapor?) that contains games which feature sex. That way, everyone wins.

I propose "Steamy"

 

[veloper]

Good. Steam customers can decide for themselves whether they want to buy a game or not.

They can. They always have been able to.

Steam is under no obligation to sell anything they don't want to. There are other places to buy games.

Obligation doesn't come into it. It's a matter of attitude towards customers. And in this case Valve are taking the open, non-patronizing approach.

Patronizing doesn't come into it either. Steam's customers have always been able to decide for themselves whether they want to buy a game or not. And Steam can decide for itself whether it wants to sell a game or not.

Such a decision is always made for a REASON and there's very few reasons for not taking good money for the nearly effortless service of copying digital content, legally.
Such a reason would always have to come down to some kind of moral objection to the content of the work, which in this case is entirely fictional and to be viewed on private computers, so that would be patronization, pure and simple.

Since Valve made the smart choice for effortless money here, I cannot fault them and the above is hypothetical ofcourse.