Words of wisdom that Confucius would be envious of.boag said:Dude, just follow this simple advice.
FUCK EA.
Words of wisdom that Confucius would be envious of.boag said:Dude, just follow this simple advice.
FUCK EA.
Correction: you can't buy everything you want to play. Again, you have no right or need to play all these games.Wild_Marker said:I can't buy everything I play
Actually, it's called reality. While you can't get everything you want, you can take whatever you can, whether you're supposed to or not. You can do whatever you want, so long as you can. Whether it's morally right or not is up to the individual.Eamar said:You have no god-given right to play the game. Either pay for it or don't play it at all. Simple as that.
EDIT:Correction: you can't buy everything you want to play. Again, you have no right or need to play all these games.Wild_Marker said:I can't buy everything I play
I love movies. I can't afford to watch every movie I want to see at the cinema. I compromise. I choose the movies I see at the cinema carefully, only seeing the ones I'm most keen to see. For the rest, I have to wait until I can pick up the DVD at a price I can afford, or even *gasp* not see them at all.
It's called real life. You can't have everything you want. Deal with it.
What about games that are no longer sold, supported, or even recognised by companies anymore, or were never ported off of an obsolete system like the N64?tippy2k2 said:I've said it in multiple threads and I'll go ahead and say it here: There is no excuse for piracy for 1st world countries (the 3rd world one is a different argument that I'm not going to go near).
I gave a much deeper run-down for my own "piracy rules" in other threads (though I never ever pirate either way but I can sympathize with certain situations). I didn't go in-depth on this thread since it's a new game they were asking but I can throw my view down if you'd like (this is from an earlier thread where I go into more detail:Saulkar said:What about games that are no longer sold, supported, or even recognised by companies anymore, or were never ported off of an obsolete system like the N64?
CAPTCHA: how about that! - It speaks the truth.
The only times I feel it's OK to pirate is if you are unable to access the game in any way, shape, or form OR if it's at such a high price that it's not worth it (I gave $200 as my example here and I'm pretty happy with that. It's not a small amount but if you really wanted the game, I think $200 is fair.). IF the game is available on another format (PS3 store like the above example), then the $200 rule does not apply and I think you have to get it for the PS3.No. If you can find a second hand copy at a reasonable price (or another format), you buy it (this price will vary but my rule has always been $200ish; never ran into a game where I couldn't get it for less but then again, I don't go old/obscure very often). Piracy is wrong, slippery slope, blah blah blah, cliche cliche cliche.
EDIT: Final Fantasy 8 for the PC? Then I'm going right back to no.
Amazon.com: Final Fantasy 8 for the PC: $80
Playstation Network (if you have a PS3): $10
Amazon.com: Playstation 1 and Final Fantasy 8: $20 (PS1 after shipping) and $12 (FFVIII after shipping); $32 total
This is available in so many different formats for a minimal price that it doesn't pass the one exception I make to the rule.
Yes, yes, that's all very edgy and nihilistic of you. Choose your own destiny, make up your own moral code, it's a dog eat dog world out there, take what you can etc... *sigh*.No. said:Actually, it's called reality. While you can't get everything you want, you can take whatever you can, whether you're supposed to or not. You can do whatever you want, so long as you can. Whether it's morally right or not is up to the individual.Eamar said:You have no god-given right to play the game. Either pay for it or don't play it at all. Simple as that.
EDIT:Correction: you can't buy everything you want to play. Again, you have no right or need to play all these games.Wild_Marker said:I can't buy everything I play
I love movies. I can't afford to watch every movie I want to see at the cinema. I compromise. I choose the movies I see at the cinema carefully, only seeing the ones I'm most keen to see. For the rest, I have to wait until I can pick up the DVD at a price I can afford, or even *gasp* not see them at all.
It's called real life. You can't have everything you want. Deal with it.
In that case, what I would suggest, is looking for price drops at online distributors, such as Steam. If you're patient, it's not at all unlikely that a game you're interested in will get a price drop eventually. There are a couple of websites that can help you keep track of current discounts, two of them being steamgamesales.com and cheaparsegamer.com.Wild_Marker said:Not really possible since it locks up to an Origin account once you activate it. Also, used PC games in south america are er... not something you can actually get. Anywhere. We don't have the big Gamestops and such. But yeah, it would be a good idea if it was possible. (and then someone would step up to tell you about how bad you are for buying used games instead of new but whatever)kingthrall said:BUY IT- SECOND HAND that way your not feeding EA. and your not pirating!
just be careful, the sims just wreaks of greed off of EA, those expansions and the micro of it all...good heavens, if you went and bought all of sims 3 shit right now, you'd be spending a fortune on shit that shouldn't cost 30 dollars in a bundle at this age.Wild_Marker said:If you guys are wondering, this is what ended up happening:
I found it at 18 dollars in India. God bless international credit cards.
I guess I have a new conclusion: I CAN stand some bullshit if it's for an 18 dollar price tag.
PS: And for everyone interested, the discount is still up on India's origin store until this friday, if you can acces it (most people can't, others use VPNs, I accessed simply with chrome, not sure why it didn't react to my IP)
Yeah, but who's going to stop you otherwise...the law?Eamar said:Yes, yes, that's all very edgy and nihilistic of you. Choose your own destiny, make up your own moral code, it's a dog eat dog world out there, take what you can etc... *sigh*.No. said:Actually, it's called reality. While you can't get everything you want, you can take whatever you can, whether you're supposed to or not. You can do whatever you want, so long as you can. Whether it's morally right or not is up to the individual.Eamar said:You have no god-given right to play the game. Either pay for it or don't play it at all. Simple as that.
EDIT:Correction: you can't buy everything you want to play. Again, you have no right or need to play all these games.Wild_Marker said:I can't buy everything I play
I love movies. I can't afford to watch every movie I want to see at the cinema. I compromise. I choose the movies I see at the cinema carefully, only seeing the ones I'm most keen to see. For the rest, I have to wait until I can pick up the DVD at a price I can afford, or even *gasp* not see them at all.
It's called real life. You can't have everything you want. Deal with it.
That's cool. Just take a couple words and base my beliefs on them. But fine. Take it anyway you want, misconstrue my ideas as much as you like, put words into my mouth... *sigh*Eamar said:Yes, yes, that's all very edgy and nihilistic of you. Choose your own destiny, make up your own moral code, it's a dog eat dog world out there, take what you can etc... *sigh*
I was not trying to convince you of anything, I just wanted you view (which I completely disagree with and leave it simply at that). Lastly what do you say about 15-30 year old Arcade cabinet ROMS?tippy2k2 said:I gave a much deeper run-down for my own "piracy rules" in other threads (though I never ever pirate either way but I can sympathize with certain situations). I didn't go in-depth on this thread since it's a new game they were asking but I can throw my view down if you'd like (this is from an earlier thread where I go into more detail:Saulkar said:What about games that are no longer sold, supported, or even recognised by companies anymore, or were never ported off of an obsolete system like the N64?
CAPTCHA: how about that! - It speaks the truth.
The only times I feel it's OK to pirate is if you are unable to access the game in any way, shape, or form OR if it's at such a high price that it's not worth it (I gave $200 as my example here and I'm pretty happy with that. It's not a small amount but if you really wanted the game, I think $200 is fair.). IF the game is available on another format (PS3 store like the above example), then the $200 rule does not apply and I think you have to get it for the PS3.No. If you can find a second hand copy at a reasonable price (or another format), you buy it (this price will vary but my rule has always been $200ish; never ran into a game where I couldn't get it for less but then again, I don't go old/obscure very often). Piracy is wrong, slippery slope, blah blah blah, cliche cliche cliche.
EDIT: Final Fantasy 8 for the PC? Then I'm going right back to no.
Amazon.com: Final Fantasy 8 for the PC: $80
Playstation Network (if you have a PS3): $10
Amazon.com: Playstation 1 and Final Fantasy 8: $20 (PS1 after shipping) and $12 (FFVIII after shipping); $32 total
This is available in so many different formats for a minimal price that it doesn't pass the one exception I make to the rule.
Are there exceptions to this? Probably but this is how I've always defined the rules of piracy and I personally feel that it's very fair.
EDIT: Not that I think it's your intention Saulkar but I'm going to state it anyway. People, you don't need to bother trying to convince me that piracy is OK or morally acceptable because you're not going to succeed; I guarantee it. If you've got absolutely nothing better to do and want to try, feel free but I figured I'd just save you the time.
Well heck, if you're gonna follow a $200 rule...Saulkar said:I was not trying to convince you of anything, I just wanted you view (which I completely disagree with and leave it simply at that). Lastly what do you say about 15-30 year old Arcade cabinet ROMS?tippy2k2 said:I gave a much deeper run-down for my own "piracy rules" in other threads (though I never ever pirate either way but I can sympathize with certain situations). I didn't go in-depth on this thread since it's a new game they were asking but I can throw my view down if you'd like (this is from an earlier thread where I go into more detail:Saulkar said:What about games that are no longer sold, supported, or even recognised by companies anymore, or were never ported off of an obsolete system like the N64?
CAPTCHA: how about that! - It speaks the truth.
The only times I feel it's OK to pirate is if you are unable to access the game in any way, shape, or form OR if it's at such a high price that it's not worth it (I gave $200 as my example here and I'm pretty happy with that. It's not a small amount but if you really wanted the game, I think $200 is fair.). IF the game is available on another format (PS3 store like the above example), then the $200 rule does not apply and I think you have to get it for the PS3.No. If you can find a second hand copy at a reasonable price (or another format), you buy it (this price will vary but my rule has always been $200ish; never ran into a game where I couldn't get it for less but then again, I don't go old/obscure very often). Piracy is wrong, slippery slope, blah blah blah, cliche cliche cliche.
EDIT: Final Fantasy 8 for the PC? Then I'm going right back to no.
Amazon.com: Final Fantasy 8 for the PC: $80
Playstation Network (if you have a PS3): $10
Amazon.com: Playstation 1 and Final Fantasy 8: $20 (PS1 after shipping) and $12 (FFVIII after shipping); $32 total
This is available in so many different formats for a minimal price that it doesn't pass the one exception I make to the rule.
Are there exceptions to this? Probably but this is how I've always defined the rules of piracy and I personally feel that it's very fair.
EDIT: Not that I think it's your intention Saulkar but I'm going to state it anyway. People, you don't need to bother trying to convince me that piracy is OK or morally acceptable because you're not going to succeed; I guarantee it. If you've got absolutely nothing better to do and want to try, feel free but I figured I'd just save you the time.
True, though I believe Maxis is smart enough to know the difference between audiences of the Sims and SimCity. I mean think about it, the Sims was a precursor to all the Facebook games, not by it's gameplay I mean, but by the type of audience they managed to catch. You can use that bussiness model with this audience, but you can't so easily pull that off with core gamer audiences a.k.a the SimCity playerbase.gmaverick019 said:just be careful, the sims just wreaks of greed off of EA, those expansions and the micro of it all...good heavens, if you went and bought all of sims 3 shit right now, you'd be spending a fortune on shit that shouldn't cost 30 dollars in a bundle at this age.Wild_Marker said:If you guys are wondering, this is what ended up happening:
I found it at 18 dollars in India. God bless international credit cards.
I guess I have a new conclusion: I CAN stand some bullshit if it's for an 18 dollar price tag.
PS: And for everyone interested, the discount is still up on India's origin store until this friday, if you can acces it (most people can't, others use VPNs, I accessed simply with chrome, not sure why it didn't react to my IP)
oh while I agree there is a big difference, to EA, you are just another suckerWild_Marker said:Oh wow, I accidentally seem to have revived this thread with the last post.
Guys, READ the first posts, you're just repeating what others said at this point AND the topic wasn't piracy, nor it was the defense of it. It was a discussion about percieved value of SimCity considering all the bullshit you can get as an EA customer (that got waaaaay out of hand because I mentioned piracy to put some context in).
True, though I believe Maxis is smart enough to know the difference between audiences of the Sims and SimCity. I mean think about it, the Sims was a precursor to all the Facebook games, not by it's gameplay I mean, but by the type of audience they managed to catch. You can use that bussiness model with this audience, but you can't so easily pull that off with core gamer audiences a.k.a the SimCity playerbase.gmaverick019 said:just be careful, the sims just wreaks of greed off of EA, those expansions and the micro of it all...good heavens, if you went and bought all of sims 3 shit right now, you'd be spending a fortune on shit that shouldn't cost 30 dollars in a bundle at this age.Wild_Marker said:If you guys are wondering, this is what ended up happening:
I found it at 18 dollars in India. God bless international credit cards.
I guess I have a new conclusion: I CAN stand some bullshit if it's for an 18 dollar price tag.
PS: And for everyone interested, the discount is still up on India's origin store until this friday, if you can acces it (most people can't, others use VPNs, I accessed simply with chrome, not sure why it didn't react to my IP)
I have NEVER heard anyone say 3000 was the best. Everyone and their dog vouches for 2000. I am no exception. 2000 is just about perfect.Matthew94 said:Really?Vuliev said:Don't. Just skip playing the game altogether and boot up SimCity2000 again.
SimCity2000 is best SimCity.
People always say 3000 is the best. I played it for a few minutes and when I tried to zone a simple 5x5 residential zone on some land it came out as a fractured mess because the land wasn't uniformly flat. I assume SC2K is no better.
I'll stick to SC4.
As an older fan of Simcity (see above) I've always glanced at Tropico like you glance at that girl a few desks over that keeps glancing at you back. Is she into me and my tastes? Would I like her if I tried/asked her out? I hear she's got a sly sense of humour that might appeal to me. (Why) should I give her a go? (And do I go for her, or go instead for one of her older sisters? God this analogy is getting creepy...)Worgen said:Buy tropico instead. I loved me some simcity also back in the day but even though the new one looks good, I'm expecting ea to fuck it up beyond just requiring origin or the weird social things its gonna use.
I always found tropico a little lacking in scale. I mean it has personality in droves, but SC has both the personality AND the scale. And a LOT more numbers.Squilookle said:As an older fan of Simcity (see above) I've always glanced at Tropico like you glance at that girl a few desks over that keeps glancing at you back. Is she into me and my tastes? Would I like her if I tried/asked her out? I hear she's got a sly sense of humour that might appeal to me. (Why) should I give her a go? (And do I go for her, or go instead for one of her older sisters? God this analogy is getting creepy...)Worgen said:Buy tropico instead. I loved me some simcity also back in the day but even though the new one looks good, I'm expecting ea to fuck it up beyond just requiring origin or the weird social things its gonna use.
I feel that it applies to my above rules (though I have revised it slightly; my $200 amount was just pulled out of my ass and now that I've actually thought about it with 'Owyn Merrilin's' take, I dropped it to what I feel is a much more reasonable amount.Saulkar said:I was not trying to convince you of anything, I just wanted you view (which I completely disagree with and leave it simply at that). Lastly what do you say about 15-30 year old Arcade cabinet ROMS?