#HetrosexualPrideDay

[Phasmal]

Many of us already do.

I'm aware, and I imagine those of us who do aren't the ones who moan about Pride.
Personally, I've never been. I'd like to, one day. I don't do too well in crowds, though.

Yes, for a moment, and then my mother reminded them that I only got to spend so much time on it because I was in hospital and had my head cut open and stitched up again.
That's what I mean. People should be reminded of these things, instead of acting like grabby little children.

Sure, but that's not going to stop people wanting the fun aspects. It's human nature.

Mm, yeah. But humans kinda suck, so we should bear that in mind. =P

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

That seems more like just a general sexuality pride parade... which sounds quite fun.

And all my examples are still totally hetero. All of it. What's the point of a heterosexual day if it only accords arbitrary distinctions of heterosexuality? Is there going to be Southern belles and drill sergeants wandering around and telling various heterosexuals they're not welcome? Defeats the purpose don't you think?

At your average pride day event, you're bound to run into more than a few bears as well. Stocky men, rough men. With hairy chests in form fitting shirts to show off those delicious, rock-hard abs. Seems silly to forbid them, right?

 

[wulf3n]

Mm, yeah. But humans kinda suck, so we should bear that in mind. =P

Haha, very much so

And all my examples are still totally hetero. All of it.

Sans BDSM. That has no inherent orientation.

What's the point of a heterosexual day if it only accords arbitrary distinctions of heterosexuality?

Depends on what you define as an arbitrary distinction.

Is there going to be Southern belles and drill sergeants wandering around and telling various heterosexuals they're not welcome?

Why are they not welcome?

Defeats the purpose don't you think?

What purpose?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Here many of you are whining about heterosexuality

Oh? Who is actually doing that?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Why are they not welcome?

Well, if you read my post you basically whitewashed over whole groups of people for not beeing hetero enough. So I just assume heterosexual pride day is merely 'socially admissable sexual expression pride day' ...

What purpose?

Of having a heterosexual pride day if you just turn around and dismiss alternative expressions of it. It's not really heterosexual pride day anymore, is it?

 

[wulf3n]

Well, if you red my post you basically whitewashed over whole segments of the heterosexual community. So I just assume heterosexual pride day is merely 'socially admissable sexual expression pride day' ...

As I saw it you provided a subset of examples not a definitive list. i.e. "Including but not limited to..."

Of having a heterosexual pride day if you just turn around and dismiss alternative expressions of it. It's not really heterosexual pride day anymore, is it?

What dismissal?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

As I saw it you provided a subset of examples not a definitive list. i.e. "Including but not limited to..."

Which is what Pride days do now. They don't make arbitrary distinctions. Also, what exactly is 'definitive' heterosexuality?

What dismissal?

I gave you a list of heterosexual examples and you called them in a 'general sexuality pride day'. Also, how is a relationship between a mistress sexually attracted to dominating men, and vice versa, not heterosexual? I missed that part before. Maybe dominating women doesn't do it for them?

 

[wulf3n]

As I saw it you provided a subset of examples not a definitive list. i.e. "Including but not limited to..."

Which is what Pride days do now. They don't make arbitrary distinctions.

And?

I gave you a list of heterosexual acts

Not really, you gave a number of sexual acts that aren't inherently heterosexual.

and you called in a 'general sexuality pride day'.

Yes, where the focus is sexuality in general, not ones orientation.

Also, how is a relationship between a mistress sexually attracted to dominating men, and vice versa, not heterosexual? I missed that part before.

Maybe dominating women doesn't do it for them?

I assume you're referring to my BDSM comment, in which case BDSM doesn't not require the Master and the Slave to be of alternate genders. You can have a male sub and a male dom, and vice versa, as such BDSM is not inherently hetero.

 

[happyninja42]

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....your avatar...it....it disturbs me. I...don't know why. I've seen people with avatars on this forum that are gifs from a hentai where some crazy eyed alien woman literally eats the guy she was about to have sex with...and yet...your thing...I...I won't sleep tonight. It's going to follow me into my dreams

YOU'VE DESTROYED MY MIND WITH THAT ABOMINATION!

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

And?

And .... what's the point of a heterosexual pride day if it doesn't care to show heterosexuality?

Not really, you gave a number of sexual acts that aren't inherently heterosexual.

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I'm sorry, what dictionary definition are you making that basis on?

Here's me thinking heterosexuality simply meant being attracted to the opposite sex. I'll spend the night with anyone that takes my fancy and their own. I didn't stop to ponder my pansexuality, regardless of what sexual acts we got up to in the bedroom.

Yes, where the focus is sexuality in general, not ones orientation.

And that has to do with being heterosexual ... how? How does one's sexuality not dictate their criterion of heterosexuality, existent or not?

I assume you're referring to my BDSM comment, in which case BDSM doesn't not require the Master and the Slave to be of alternate genders. You can have a male sub and a male dom, and vice versa, as such BDSM is not inherently hetero.

And ... how does that stop mistresses pegging exclusively boytoy subs from being heterosexual? Surely straight mistresses are still straight and would be a fitting addition to any Straight Pride day? Maybe leading their subs by leash and collar? Or its inverse, for that matter.

 

[wulf3n]

....your avatar...it....it disturbs me. I...don't know why.

Haha, I know right!

I've seen people with avatars on this forum that are gifs from a hentai where some crazy eyed alien woman literally eats the guy she was about to have sex with...and yet...your thing...I...I won't sleep tonight. It's going to follow me into my dreams

YOU'VE DESTROYED MY MIND WITH THAT ABOMINATION!

I apologise. I saw it on one of the facebook things where it's like "tag a mate who eats like this" and immediately thought "I must have this!".

Which is what Pride days do now. They don't make arbitrary distinctions.

And?

Quoteception mishap?

Not really, you gave a number of sexual acts that aren't inherently heterosexual.

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I'm sorry, what dictionary definition are you making that basis on?

Here's me thinking heterosexuality simply meant being attracted to the opposite sex. I'll spend the night with anyone that takes my fancy and mine theirs. I didn't stop to ponder my pansexuality, regardless of what sexual acts we got up to in the bedroom.

Sure, but when you include examples that don't automatically imply attraction to the opposite sex, heterosexuality goes out the window.

Yes, where the focus is sexuality in general, not ones orientation.

And that has to do with being heterosexual ... how? How does one's sexuality not dictate their criterion of heterosexuality, existent or not?

It doesn't, hence the notion that it's no longer about heterosexuality, rather sexuality.

I assume you're referring to my BDSM comment, in which case BDSM doesn't not require the Master and the Slave to be of alternate genders. You can have a male sub and a male dom, and vice versa, as such BDSM is not inherently hetero.

And ... how does that stop mistresses pegging exclusively boytoy subs from being heterosexual?

Heterosexuals may engage in BDSM, that does not imply all BDSM is heterosexual.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Quoteception mishap?

Most likely ... let me get my spinning top and give it a whirl.

Sure, but when you include examples that don't automatically imply attraction to the opposite sex, heterosexuality goes out the window.

No it doesn't though. Heterosexual couples performing mock BDSM acts is a pretty clear example of heterosexuality. The straight crossdressers might be a bit questionable, but that doesn't stop drag queens and kings at Pride day events. I mean, we know straight crossdressers exist so maybe they deserve some recognition on het pride day, too?

I'm failing to get what you are actually going to show on heterosexual pride day. You made the argument that you wanted a fun party, but I gave you examples of heterosexual fun, of a myriad of expressions (which is the whole point of pride days to begin with). But if that doesn't make the cut, what does and why will it be as fun?

It doesn't, hence the notion that it's no longer about heterosexuality, rather sexuality.

Then what are you going to show, and will it still represent and make more visible diverse elements of heterosexuality? Surely being heterosexual is more important than how you be heterosexual on Het Pride Day? What better way to showcase that by showing concepts of what being heterosexual means to everybody heterosexual, and making it publicly visible?

Heterosexuals may engage in BDSM, that does not imply all BDSM is heterosexual.

And those heterosexual BDSM couplings then deserve recognition and additional visibility in the idea of heterosexual pride.

 

[wulf3n]

Most likely ... let me get my spinning top and give it a whirl.

What does it say?

Sure, but when you include examples that don't automatically imply attraction to the opposite sex, heterosexuality goes out the window.

No it doesn't though. Heterosexual couples performing mock BDSM acts is a pretty clear example of heterosexuality.

And homosexual couples performing mock BDSM acts are pretty clear examples of homosexuality. Hence BDSM is not defined by sexual orientation.

The straight crossdressers might be a bit questionable, but that doesn't stop drag queens and kings at Pride day events. I mean, we know straight crossdressers exist so maybe they deserve some recognition on het pride day, too?

And would in a sexuality pride parade.

I'm failing to get what you are actually going to show on heterosexual pride day. You made the argument that you wanted a fun party, but I gave you examples of heterosexual fun, of a myriad of expressions (which is the whole point of pride days to begin with). But if that doesn't make the cut, what does and why will it be as fun?

I wasn't after a heterosexual pride parade. A sexuality pride parade on the other hand...

It doesn't, hence the notion that it's no longer about heterosexuality, rather sexuality.

Then what are you going to show, and will it still represent and make more visible diverse elements of heterosexuality?

What am I going to show? EVERYTHING :|

Heterosexuals may engage in BDSM, that does not imply all BDSM is heterosexual.

And those heterosexual BDSM couplings then deserve recognition and additional visibility in the idea of heterosexual pride.

Not really, BDSM transcends sexual orientation.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

What does it say?

Not much ... it's still spinning.

And homosexual couples performing mock BDSM acts are pretty clear examples of homosexuality. Hence BDSM is not defined by sexual orientation.

Neither is drag inherently communicative of being gay. The point of a pride day is to show the diversity of its membership, and to be out and proud in your expression of sexuality and identity. Hence why showing diverse examples of heterosexuals being out and proud in how they express their heterosexuality is the best way to do it.

What else can you do?

And would in a sexuality pride parade.

Why can't they be out with their crossdressing and heterosexuality even if dressed in lolita fashion? Surely that's the point ... men dressing as lolita darlings and still be heterosexual. And want people to recognize crossdressing doesn't mean gay. That there's men out there that want to be pretty, and yet are still attracted to girls.

Seems like a perfect addition to any heterosexual pride day that actually makes arguments about what it means to be heterosexual. Headdresses, petticoats, jumper skirts and all.

I wasn't after a heterosexual pride parade. A sexuality pride parade on the other hand...

Ahh, well that I can get behind ... but I still don't see why a heterosexual pride day shouldn't involve people showing unconventional elements of it. Being proud of their diverse expressions of heterosexuality.

Not really, BDSM transcends sexual orientation.

There's also plenty of BDSM activities of unconventional ideas of heterosexuality. And recognition that it's still heterosexuality is what it means to be proud of being out with it.

 

[wulf3n]

Not much ... it's still spinning.

Let me know how it goes.

Neither is drag inherently communicative of being gay.

I never assumed it was.

The point of a pride day is to show the diversity of its membership, and to be out and proud in your expression of sexuality and identity. Hence why showing diverse examples of heterosexuals being out and proud in how they express their heterosexuality is the best way to do it.

Sure.

What else can you do?

With regards to sexuality? the simpler question is what can't I do.

And would in a sexuality pride parade.

Why can't they be out with their crossdressing and heterosexuality

Who said they couldn't in my sexuality parade?

even if dressed in lolita fashion? Surely that's the point ...

Yup.

men dressing as lolita darlings and still be heterosexual. And want people to recognize crossdressing doesn't mean gay. That there's men out there that want to be pretty, and yet are still be attracted to girls.

Sure.

Seems like a perfect addition to any heterosexual pride day that actually makes arguments about what it means to be heterosexual. Headdresses, petticoats, jumper skirts and all.

Very much so.

I wasn't after a heterosexual pride parade. A sexuality pride parade on the other hand...

Ahh, well that I can get behind ... but I still doesn't see why a heterosexual pride day shouldn't involve people showing unconventional elements of it.

It can.

Not really, BDSM transcends sexual orientation.

There's also plenty of BDSM activities of unconventional ideas of heterosexuality. And recognition that it's still heterosexuality is what it means to be proud of being out with it.

I agree

 

[Something Amyss]

Ah, ok. Seems weird that homosexuals of all people would discriminate against other homosexuals for not acting in a stereotypical fashion.

Gays are discriminating against gays for acting in a stereotypical fashion in this case. Interestingly enough, it's all based on feminine traits. Well, I say interesting, but it's more just the repetition of the notion that femininity is inferior.

But it shouldn't be surprising that this exists in pretty much every group. There's always a pecking order. You don't even need to leave this thread to find LGBT folk who act in an anti-LGBT fashion, or even those who will negative the LGBT-ness of others.

You as an individual whine about straights, I as a straight have a problem with you, at this point in time I don't care for your "muh systematic oppression" to justify your childish
attitude towards me.

Who here has said anything about you for being straight?

One of which you were never barred from participating in in the first place.

Funny thing. This brings me back to the days when this site had threads complaining about the Gaymer cons. "Why are they necessary" was one of the frequent questions in those threads. One of the complaints was that straight people were being excluded, and a response I got more than a couple times when I pointed out straight people were not excluded was essentially "I wouldn't feel comfortable being part of the minority." And really, that should answer the first question nicely, except it doesn't. it's different somehow.

I guess because straight people are normally the majority, and so it's somehow more traumatic when the tables turn?

There was a gay bar in town for 20 years, and that same argument seemed to apply there.

Also, since I forgot to respond before:

Well... we live and labour in love and hope.

Hope is leaving office. Hate is trying to get in.

 

[Amaror]

Gays are discriminating against gays for acting in a stereotypical fashion in this case. Interestingly enough, it's all based on feminine traits. Well, I say interesting, but it's more just the repetition of the notion that femininity is inferior.

But it shouldn't be surprising that this exists in pretty much every group. There's always a pecking order. You don't even need to leave this thread to find LGBT folk who act in an anti-LGBT fashion, or even those who will negative the LGBT-ness of others.

Not really. We were talking about the phrase "straight-acting", which apparently is used to negatively label gay men that don't act feminine/stereotypical. Mainly by suggesting that their "straight" behaviour is just acting and that they are just trying to hide their feminine side, which I largely disagree with because I have a gay friend that could be described as "straight-acting" and he is really not "acting".

 

[Something Amyss]

Yes, for a moment, and then my mother reminded them that I only got to spend so much time on it because I was in hospital and had my head cut open and stitched up again.
That's what I mean. People should be reminded of these things, instead of acting like grabby little children.

I wonder how many people would really want a straight pride day if they got everything else that came with homosexuality, yes.

Also, stepping away from the analogy for a second, there is literally nothing stopping straight people from going and celebrating at Pride. Go, have fun, wave rainbow flags, nobody's stopping you.

The problem is that it's still celebrating someone else, and that seems to be the big thing. Pride celebrates the LGBT community, and it seems like that offends a lot of straight people. The notion that for one day (or even several) in an incredibly heteronormative society, we dare to pay attention to someone else. And the fact that our lives almost constantly revolver around straight people is of no relevance, because for a brief period of time, that's been taken away from them.

 

[wulf3n]

The problem is that it's still celebrating someone else, and that seems to be the big thing. Pride celebrates the LGBT community, and it seems like that offends a lot of straight people.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I'd wager most straight people aren't offended by that.

 

[happyninja42]

Funny thing. This brings me back to the days when this site had threads complaining about the Gaymer cons. "Why are they necessary" was one of the frequent questions in those threads. One of the complaints was that straight people were being excluded, and a response I got more than a couple times when I pointed out straight people were not excluded was essentially

"I wouldn't feel comfortable being part of the minority." And really, that should answer the first question nicely, except it doesn't. it's different somehow.

I guess because straight people are normally the majority, and so it's somehow more traumatic when the tables turn?

There was a gay bar in town for 20 years, and that same argument seemed to apply there.

I've never understood this. I've been to several gay bars over the years, and while I was probably the only straight guy there (that I knew of anyway), I hardly felt weird, or well, no weirder than I would feel at any club. I don't like social gatherings like that at all really, gay or straight. It's just people drinking, dancing and chatting. It was actually really funny watching the guys' reactions when I would tell them I was straight, they'd do a mental double take, and you could see the "Straight guy in gay club? Does not compute!" expression pass across their faces. Hell I have more fun at gay clubs if for the simple reason that they play more techno/club/house music, which is more my style than any Top 40 list. So yeah, the "uncomfortable as the minority" reason makes no sense to me. I mean, I fully believe people use it, but it just doesn't compute for me.