#HetrosexualPrideDay

[shrekfan246]

Yes, but they're the type of idiots in power.

If a gay person makes a slight against a straight person on tumblr, nothing is going to happen.

If homophobic and transphobic individuals make up a large portion of this country's governing body, something is going to happen.

Nobodies shooting up a bar because they hate straight people.

True, but then again, nobody shoots up a bar because they hate GSM people either, they shoot up bars because they're bugfuck crazy. Yeah, I'm not talking mentally ill, I'm talking fucked up because of nurture, not nature. Or because they don't know any better, I guess. Same reason people do horrible things in general, pratcically nobody does something horrible because they hate somebody, they do it because they're messed up wastes of space.

People do horrible things based off of hatred and fear all the time. As undeadsuitor already pointed out, most of the people who spoke up and knew the Orlando shooter believed him to be homophobic due to events they witnessed in person. Eliot Rodger didn't write 140 or however many pages of his wildly misogynistic "manifesto" before going on a shooting spree because he was "crazy"; he did it because he hated women, and he hated men that he perceived to be more successful with women than he was. If he was "crazy", none of that incredibly strange text would've ever existed, because he wouldn't have had any reason to write or post it. Anders Breivik didn't blow up a van and shoot down a load of people at a summer camp because he's "crazy"; he did it because he's a militant nationalist who has an extreme hatred for Muslims.

Trans people are still routinely beaten and even killed for the crime of being transgender. A disturbing number of men have made careers for themselves on the internet whinging about how evil women are to other men, and winding conspiracy theories about how the Jews have control over everything. Sexual violence against women still largely goes unreported, because the police forces tend to treat it like a joke, and even if they don't blame the woman for being assaulted, you can be damn sure that people in the general public will if the story actually gets reported for whatever reason.

You can try to say that you're not claiming they're "mentally ill", but by associating them with "crazy" people that's exactly what you're doing. There are very real, very measurable reasons for why somebody might grow up to hate gay people, or trans people, or women, or black people, or Muslims, or anything else you care to mention, which you even allude to by saying that it's nurture rather than nature. But saying that they're "crazy" not only throws everyone with mental illness under the bus so that you can feel comfortable under the belief that "normal" people can't do something like that, it also completely erases the fact that "normal" people do stuff like this constantly. There's a reason that "he was always so quiet"/"he always seemed so nice" is a trope when it comes to describing sudden murderers.

 

[anthony87]

How on God's green Earth did this topic become serious?

Because people need something to decry and feel self-rightous and smug about decrying.

C'mon man, it's par for the course around here.

 

[JimB]

But this isn't people murdering someone to make things equal with the death of another, it's taking pride in something you did nothing to achieve

I'm saying that if we take pride in one type of sexuality

God damn it, guys, seriously, at least four people in this thread (and I think I saw one more while I was scrolling between these posts to quote these two) have already said Gay Pride is not about being proud of one's orientation, but of being proud enough not to hide that orientation in the closet in the face of a world where being gay is stigmatized. At least four people have said that, maybe five. I'm honestly asking, is there even a point to me continuing to talk to people about this? Because it feels very much like people intend to ignore the entire context of gay marginalization in society to assert some ridiculous narrative with no basis in anything other than one's own preconceptions, and if that's the way it's gonna fucking be, I need to know so I can bow out now. I legitimately do not have the emotional stamina today to deal with people who think gay pride is about nothing more than liking how one's genitals interact with another's.

 

[Stewie Plisken]

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What.

'Crazy' doesn't mean one thing. 'Crazy' doesn't mean incoherent, unable to write a manifesto or a note or frame a motive. A severely maladjusted person is mentally ill. You cannot promote social injustice by minimizing and dismantling mental health in the name of social justice. This is insane. It's actually dangerous. What are you doing?! You're doing the thing you're claiming to not be doing! There are degrees of mental illness! By referring to those who commit hate crimes as 'normal', you essentially move the issue away from mental health and into empty buzzwords! The Orlando shooter may have been gay. This would point to self-hatred. THIS WOULD MAKE IT A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.

 

[Saelune]

First off, I was gonna respond to your other post, but wifi shenanigans and a reboot caused the post to be eaten. Dizchu though made my point better, but not perfectly. LGBT pride events are earned by the discrimination, they're an expression of the necessity of visibility and dispelling ignorance. Your response to what I said to THM, well it was putting words in my mouth, or at least making leaps of logic based on what I said in response to another person's post... I was challenging THM on the point that they jumped into political affiliation, as if being gay is a political stance, or that basic civil rights are negotiable because people on one side of the political spectrum think another group's existence is immoral.

Anyways most people who hate GSM[footnote]Gender and Sexuality Minorities[/footnote] folk aren't idiots, most of them are ignorant, in the absence of any real experience, or education, they default to fear. Then the real scum bags exploit that fear, because those people decided to hate a group for arbitrary reasons. Those people aren't idiots either, they're very savvy manipulators, who use people's lack of understanding to breed hate.

Still pride isn't so much about celebrating being Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Bisexual, Asexual, Intersex, or whatever else... It's about being visible, about standing up proudly against a culture that tells us to be ashamed of ourselves, it's about making a stand against ignorance and hatred. That's what pride events are about, they're about being proud to be ourselves despite the hatred, shaming, and prejudice. That's also what makes the concept of "straight pride" and "cis pride" absurd and insulting, because cisgender straight folk are accepted by society and permeate every level of culture. Cisgender heterosexual people simply don't need a visibility event, because they're already visible and accepted.

First (this one can be ignored): Good thing I love hearing my own voice, albeit the internal one, because this thread requires a whole lot of responses.

Second (this is where i address your points): Something being earned by discrimination is bullshit, unless you yourself have suffered it is a ridiculous notion that you have some special place in society. I do, however, acknowledge that quite a lot of people from the GSM (so that's the hip new slang, I really should keep up with my acronyms. Easier than Writing LGBT-alphabetsoup though), have suffered actual discrimination, what I've experienced is mainly internet bullshit. Oh, and what is the expiration date on discrimination by the way? To what generation should we pay for the sins of the father, or the mother if we're doing the equality thing?

I think hate is a funny word, and I'm pretty sure that it isn't what we're dealing with. To me it have always seemed like the entire issue was more one of fear, like a form of xenophobia. And like every form of xenophobia this one is abused by those who want power.

The entire pride thing still seems strange to me, why do we need to parade our differences? I wouldn't be able to tell if you were GSM or straight at a glance (unless I spot you in the middle of a pride parade wearing a rainbow unitard), so why is it important to scream it from the rooftops? The most common reason is that it encourages others to acknowledge that they're part of the GMS community, but if that was the case then why isn't it as important to acknowledge that some people might need to affirm that they're straight? Because the GSM is, as the acronym denotes, a minority? Seems like a straight idea, doesn't it? Sure, the world needs to loosen up and allow more content depicting GSM characters/people, but that would be another issue.

As I probably mentioned somewhere else, I, as a white, straight, male, don't get a lot of opportunities to celebrate myself, and to be honest I'm feeling pretty shat on this week. A nod of encouragement, however it might come, would be very appreciated. So yeah, I'd take most chances I got to get out on the street and have people give a cheer, or just sit in my chair and imagine that someone on the internet is giving a thumbs-up.

In all honesty, straight pride is a completely demented idea, but I think the same holds true for any event that encourages people to make on their gender or sexuality the core of their identity, so I figure that if we're going to keep doing one pride we might as well do the other.

Oh, I do think when equality is actually equal, things like Gay Pride will be outdated and unnecessary. But its still a ways away. As for celebrating differences, its because people treat others badly for being different, so its about showing that being different doesn't mean bad. And again, "Straight Pride" is shown whenever the Hero and the Girl kiss as the movie fades. I haven't seen the new Independence Day movie, but I bet some man and some woman will have a love plot in it. I bet the freaking Tetris Movie will have a hetero love plot in it. But if some mainstream movie had two men kiss at the end instead, it would be a much bigger deal. When its not a big deal is when Gay Pride is not so needed.

 

[dreng3]

No.

No no.

The Orlando Shooter was homophobic. His coworker confirmed he was homophobic. His family confirmed he was homophobic.

He scouted out several other gay bars in the area for that exact purpose. He went in when it was at it's most crowded. He. wanted. to. kill. gay. people. because. he. hated. them.

at least do 30 seconds of research before trying to claim that bad people do bad things for no reason.

this utterly ugly dismissal of the truth is exactly why 'gay pride' is needed.

I did my research, this particular asshole was a class A misanthrope, regularly talked about murder, and belonged to a faith in which homosexuality is considered one of the worst sins. So no, he didn't just hate gay people, this guy wanted to kill someone, could've just as well been christians, or latinos, both groups he had expressed hatred for. Yeah, he targeted a specific part of society, I couldn't tell you why, but he was clearly a messed up person, though he probably wasn't mentally ill. It's one thing to dislike others, another entirely to go get a gun and kill.

 

[StatusNil]

How on God's green Earth did this topic become serious? It's a topic about a troll hashtag. It's not a real thing. It's like Meninism. Let it go.

You mean making an issue about the gender that is twice as likely to be incarcerated for a way longer duration for the same crime? The gender that has the highest suicide success rate and the highest chance of being homicide victims or homeless? Yeah that's ridiculous, since many men are rich and powerful all those other poor and homeless men don't deserve crap. Anyone saying men have a bad time ignores all the men having a good time and all those homeless guys are just extraneous data since if someone else was homeless they'd have it worse so the white homeless guy doesn't really have it that bad (sorry dude beaten to death for being out when drunks are bored- you're too privileged.)
Let everyone have a day. Roll your eyes and move on. Celebrate the days you think are worth celebrating. Them having a day doesn't take your day away. Them asking to replace your day with theirs is different. Even if you think its passive aggressive, just let the day be and it will have less negative effect than if you try to take the day away.
Isn't the goal of improving society to get to a point where NO ONE is feeling oppressed including people who happened to have the same gender or race as those deigned to be the original oppressors? Penalizing for the past is going to make many people pay, not just the ones popularly seen as the oppressors. If you study enough history you will learn almost every group has done some terrible stuff. If a group needs a day to make things feel fair let them have the day.

Chill, I don't think he was dismissing men's issues. He was specifically talking about the term "Meninism", which actually was a joke on feminism that got taken extremely seriously by some clickbait bloggers, who rushed to condemn it as all kinds of "problematic". At least that's how I read it.

 

[NiPah]

But this isn't people murdering someone to make things equal with the death of another, it's taking pride in something you did nothing to achieve

I'm saying that if we take pride in one type of sexuality

God damn it, guys, seriously, at least four people in this thread (and I think I saw one more while I was scrolling between these posts to quote these two) have already said Gay Pride is not about being proud of one's orientation, but of being proud enough not to hide that orientation in the closet in the face of a world where being gay is stigmatized. At least four people have said that, maybe five. I'm honestly asking, is there even a point to me continuing to talk to people about this? Because it feels very much like people intend to ignore the entire context of gay marginalization in society to assert some ridiculous narrative with no basis in anything other than one's own preconceptions, and if that's the way it's gonna fucking be, I need to know so I can bow out now. I legitimately do not have the emotional stamina today to deal with people who think gay pride is about nothing more than liking how one's genitals interact with another's.

Great point.

Now here's the crux of this entire issue, people don't know that.
People think it's about taking pride in being gay, and when they see a bunch of people shitting on Heterosexual pride day they go "oi, the fuck are these guys on about, why can't I be proud of my sexuality too!". Follow this up with a bunch of internet people telling them heterosexual pride day is homophobic and how bad the LGBT community has it, well people are going to get a bit pissed.

Next time it'd be more helpful to laugh off people's misunderstanding of gay/heterosexual pride and use it as a point to teach people about what gay pride really is, instead of trending a hashtag which in all honesty no one even knew was an actual day.

Now I'm going to wait for Masturbation day, which is celebrated on the 28th of Masturbation month, also known as May.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Masturbation_Day

 

[Jarrito3002]

I wonder if anybody actual went there. Like does everybody laid by just attending what the hell is to celebrate. I will celebrate my heteroness by jagging off the drawn internet porn and feel relaxed and ashamed about where my life is spiraling too.

This did nothing but stir up the and rise to the top the dumbasses who don't like gay people and try to mask it with rhetoric and the typical self righteous with the head up their asses.

I think the whole goal the endgame here was just to cause some shit..... well mission accomplished I need all the drinks right now.

 

[shrekfan246]

What.

'Crazy' doesn't mean one thing. 'Crazy' doesn't mean incoherent, unable to write a manifesto or a note or frame a motive. A severely maladjusted person is mentally ill.

"Crazy", when used in the context of describing crimes, is generally a blanket term used to imply that someone has performed an action over which they had little or no control. Often, it is used to imply mental instability, which, in tandem with most frequently being applied to violent criminals, associates the mentally ill with violent criminals. This is pretty basic stuff here.

A severely maladjusted person is not mentally ill. They can be, just as anyone else in the world can be, but they are not mentally ill just because they grew up with an intense hatred for [X]. I even used an example of somebody who was found to be sane in a court of law.

You cannot promote social injustice by minimizing and dismantling mental health in the name of social justice. This is insane. It's actually dangerous. What are you doing?! You're doing the thing you're claiming to not be doing! There are degrees of mental illness! By referring to those who commit hate crimes as 'normal', you essentially move the issue away from mental health and into empty buzzwords! The Orlando shooter may have been gay. This would point to self-hatred. THIS WOULD MAKE IT A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.

1. So, by acknowledging that there are potentially societal causes rather than singularly mental causes for violent crimes, I'm "minimizing and dismantling mental health"?

2. You realize that claiming I'm (or my words are) "insane" is... exactly what I'm saying is the problem in the first place? I know this is going to infuriate you, but there's a term called "ableism" which is exactly what you, and the person I quoted, are doing. I assure you, I'm completely rational and in full control of my mental facilities, and in fact I'd say that I'm probably far better suited to address this sort of topic than you because I've actually been interacting with the people who have to deal with the cultural and societal fallout of such widespread acceptance of making people with mental illnesses seem more dangerous than they actually are.

3. Hate crimes do not equate to mental disorders, regardless of what your personal definition of a mental disorder might include. This follows on from the last point, actually, because automatically equating violent crime to mental illness - ding ding ding! You know what this is called? "Othering". I'll restate here that it's something people do so that they can rest easy, assured that "normal" people could never go out and shoot up a gay nightclub, or ride into Orlando on a bus from out of town to shoot a young pop singer.

4. Self-hatred is not a mental illness. In fact, this is one of the strongest arguments in favor of what I was saying; how does self-hatred get bred into somebody?

If your answer isn't "by a society that routinely discriminates against [insert sexuality, race, gender, or identity here]", then you're wrong.

Gay people can be homophobic. Women can be misogynists. Non-white people can be racist against their own race. It does not make them mentally ill, and your casual willingness to label them as such without any evidence is what trivializes and minimizes the actual harm that mental illness can cause.

 

[dreng3]

People do horrible things based off of hatred and fear all the time. As undeadsuitor already pointed out, most of the people who spoke up and knew the Orlando shooter believed him to be homophobic due to events they witnessed in person. Eliot Rodger didn't write 140 or however many pages of his wildly misogynistic "manifesto" before going on a shooting spree because he was "crazy"; he did it because he hated women, and he hated men that he perceived to be more successful with women than he was. If he was "crazy", none of that incredibly strange text would've ever existed, because he wouldn't have had any reason to write or post it. Anders Breivik didn't blow up a van and shoot down a load of people at a summer camp because he's "crazy"; he did it because he's a militant nationalist who has an extreme hatred for Muslims.

Trans people are still routinely beaten and even killed for the crime of being transgender. A disturbing number of men have made careers for themselves on the internet whinging about how evil women are to other men, and winding conspiracy theories about how the Jews have control over everything. Sexual violence against women still largely goes unreported, because the police forces tend to treat it like a joke, and even if they don't blame the woman for being assaulted, you can be damn sure that people in the general public will if the story actually gets reported for whatever reason.

You can try to say that you're not claiming they're "mentally ill", but by associating them with "crazy" people that's exactly what you're doing. There are very real, very measurable reasons for why somebody might grow up to hate gay people, or trans people, or women, or black people, or Muslims, or anything else you care to mention, which you even allude to by saying that it's nurture rather than nature. But saying that they're "crazy" not only throws everyone with mental illness under the bus so that you can feel comfortable under the belief that "normal" people can't do something like that, it also completely erases the fact that "normal" people do stuff like this constantly. There's a reason that "he was always so quiet"/"he always seemed so nice" is a trope when it comes to describing sudden murderers.

Okay, to rebuff this I'm gonna need to get somewhat personal, so let's have at it. I'm certifiable, I have little to no emotion, I don't like people, I don't care if I hurt them, and I get a thrill out of fighting, and hurting, others. I have never killed anyone, I have fought beyond self-defense, mostly for the heck of it, once out of anger, but never because I hated somebody. I'm pretty sure I could hurt someone seriously, I've even considered how to do it, but for a series of reasons, I won't.
I'm mentally ill, Breivik and the Orlando asshole? Crazy.

No matter what we think people can do some horrible stuff and still function as rational people, doesn't make them mentally ill, however there's still something wrong with them. I'm not saying we should go easy on killers, but we should recognize that no civilized human goes out and kills someone in cold blood, it's usually about rational motives, money or revenge. But in the cases where it isn't money or revenge it's about anger, anger or fear. Breivik was afraid of muslims, so he went and killed the ones he thought supported them. The guy from Orlando, I don't recall his name, harboured a general hatred and had a desire to kill, so he went after a target provided by his religion and the society he lived in.

In the end it's all about programming, the GSM community was at the forefront of his mind so that became his target.
At least that's what I assume, as I can't peer into the mind of the crazy assholes, nor would I want to.

Perhaps he wouldn't have gone for the GSM community if he'd had more positive role models, or if his mother had loved him more, or if that girl in highschool hadn't dumped him, hell, he might not have done it if somebody had told him he was a worthy of love as his victims.
We can't tell why people do stuff, and more often than not we shouldn't really blame anyone but the ones that commit the crimes.

And on the topic of abuse, isn't domestic abuse of males largely unreported as well? Don't we tend to joke about prison rape? Equality is a nice idea, but we're far away from it being reality.

 

[Signa]

I can not stop gigging at this. It's the menenist movement all over again. Some people just can not stand having their mirror reflected back at themselves. All their ugliness and hate that they've spent years explaining and justifying is being thrown back at them and all they can do is shriek in anger at their vile reflection. If asking for equality for a group you think doesn't deserve it angers you, then you aren't actually for equality.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

First (this one can be ignored): Good thing I love hearing my own voice, albeit the internal one, because this thread requires a whole lot of responses.

Well that makes one of us, I find the constant bickering online tiring. I'm gonna break this one down into bite-size paragraphs to respond.

Second (this is where i address your points): Something being earned by discrimination is bullshit, unless you yourself have suffered it is a ridiculous notion that you have some special place in society. I do, however, acknowledge that quite a lot of people from the GSM (so that's the hip new slang, I really should keep up with my acronyms. Easier than Writing LGBT-alphabetsoup though), have suffered actual discrimination, what I've experienced is mainly internet bullshit. Oh, and what is the expiration date on discrimination by the way? To what generation should we pay for the sins of the father, or the mother if we're doing the equality thing?

Point well missed. Pride in this case isn't earned, it's a show of defiance against social concepts that are used to oppress us. In other words, pride events are primarily used as a safe haven for authentic personal expression and protest against systemic discriminatory bullshit. It's less about "look how special and great we are" and more about "this is who we are and we're not going to quietly sit and take the abuse".

Discrimination, or in this case systemic oppression doesn't have an expiration date per-say. Again this isn't about paying a group back for the years of mistreatment, because even I'll admit that's bullshit. When discrimination, prejudice, and such bigoted expressions that result in a group being treated like second class citizens finally ends.

Now I have experienced discrimination for being trans, because of friends accidentally outing me(I have a lot of passing privilege here), mostly in the form of nasty comments, threats, and denials of service. I'm very lucky in that regard, especially because I'm the only trans person I personally know, that hasn't been beaten for coming out to one's own parents. The sad fact of the matter is, with GSM folk discrimination and negative prejudice is still the rule, not the exception.

I think hate is a funny word, and I'm pretty sure that it isn't what we're dealing with. To me it have always seemed like the entire issue was more one of fear, like a form of xenophobia. And like every form of xenophobia this one is abused by those who want power.

Trust me there's plenty of hatred, even if the hatred is caused by buying into misinformation, lies, and ignorance... It's still hate.

The entire pride thing still seems strange to me, why do we need to parade our differences? I wouldn't be able to tell if you were GSM or straight at a glance (unless I spot you in the middle of a pride parade wearing a rainbow unitard), so why is it important to scream it from the rooftops? The most common reason is that it encourages others to acknowledge that they're part of the GMS community, but if that was the case then why isn't it as important to acknowledge that some people might need to affirm that they're straight? Because the GSM is, as the acronym denotes, a minority? Seems like a straight idea, doesn't it? Sure, the world needs to loosen up and allow more content depicting GSM characters/people, but that would be another issue.

That's because you're looking at pride events as being a celebration of being different, instead of what they actually are, a show of defiance against a society that tells a group to hate itself. You'd probably also be able to tell most gay, or lesbian folk are what they are when they display affection to their partner in public... Which in many places in the first world still to day can be sickeningly dangerous.

Still the reason for pride is also not affirmation and validation, while that can play a role, it's still not the point. The point is a protest against society being abusive to certain groups of people for being different. Again open prejudice and discrimination against GSM folk is still the rule, not the exception. On the other hand again, straight cisgender people are the norm, totally accepted by society, and don't face even ostracism for their sexuality, or gender identity. There is literally no need for straight cisgender people to stand up and say "I'm Straight and proud!", or "I'm cisgender and I'm proud", because no one's telling to be ashamed of being cisgender, or straight...

Also the reason that we're a minority... Is because there are statistically fewer of us than heterosexual and cisgender folk.

As I probably mentioned somewhere else, I, as a white, straight, male, don't get a lot of opportunities to celebrate myself, and to be honest I'm feeling pretty shat on this week. A nod of encouragement, however it might come, would be very appreciated. So yeah, I'd take most chances I got to get out on the street and have people give a cheer, or just sit in my chair and imagine that someone on the internet is giving a thumbs-up.

Again you're reading into this as a "Yay! Go you!" type thing, that's not what it is. It's a more an assertion of our own humanity and equal worthiness. Society celebrates straight cis folk all the time, we basically get the table scraps of society, if we're lucky... Often enough we don't even get that. Every little thing is a struggle because so many people refuse to treat us with basic human decency and mind their own business. Because plenty of people use their negative views of homosexuality and transgenderism as a means of interfering with other people's lives.

You're not the one who has to deal with people telling you that you're against nature, an abomination against god, and that you cease to exist... Us GSM folk have to put up with that on a daily basis... So for us pride events have their place, because of how much prolific extrenious bullshit we have to put up with on a daily basis, that cisgender heterosexual folk don't have to deal with at all...

In all honesty, straight pride is a completely demented idea, but I think the same holds true for any event that encourages people to make on their gender or sexuality the core of their identity, so I figure that if we're going to keep doing one pride we might as well do the other.

That's making it a competition, rather than understanding why LGBT pride exists in the first place... Which is all the extra bullshit we have to deal with just being our selves, the massive hatred and bigotry directed at us daily. Honestly the trans community and the lesbian and gay community separately by themselves have much higher than average suicide rates, and not for no reason. When it comes to our exposure and acceptance pride is vital. Straight cisgender people don't need more visibility and pushes for acceptance, because you're accepted and recognized by default. That statement you made, that's taking the word "pride" without any context, the context is everything in this case.

 

[The Dead Singer]

4. Self-hatred is not a mental illness. In fact, this is one of the strongest arguments in favor of what I was saying; how does self-hatred get bred into somebody?

If your answer isn't "by a society that routinely discriminates against [insert sexuality, race, gender, or identity here]", then you're wrong.

I guess my 8-year long white, cis male friend must just really hate himself because it's very vogue these days, according to tumblr, and it isn't because he has exceptionally low self-esteem and suffered from abusive parents. It's the truth, isn't it? I always knew...

Don't be fucking stupid. And practice what you preach and don't throw people who suffer from self-hatred (for reasons that have nothing to do with anything that you're talking about) under the bus the same way you claim people who call murderers crazy (Murderers, crazy? Well, I'll be!) throw "actually crazy" or "mentally ill" people under the bus.

 

[shrekfan246]

YOU don't get to decide that. MEDICAL SCIENCE is to decide that.

Then you'll be happy to know that I didn't decide anything, I'm simply using what society has decided as a whole.

YES, because you don't seem interested in looking for the root of the cause. You are talking about societal issues as if the term means jack-shit without looking to what it is that causes these issues. These issues don't pop up out of nowhere. From bad upraising to blind loyalty to ideology, all of these have an effect and leave a mark on one's mental health.

Since the rest of this post has mostly devolved into you angrily personally attacking me, allow me to perhaps rephrase what my initial argument actually was:

Mental [http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/04/mental-illness-crime.aspx] illness [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/] does [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/02/20/facts-about-mental-illness-and-crime/] not [http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php] increase [http://icclr.law.ubc.ca/sites/icclr.law.ubc.ca/files/publications/pdfs/Mental%20Illness%20and%20the%20Criminal%20Justice%20System%20%5BFinal%20VS%5D.pdf] the chance of someone being a violent criminal. And until there is actually evidence of someone who committed a violent crime having a mental illness, it is unhelpful to immediately assume that they must simply based on the fact that they committed a violent crime.

 

[dreng3]

That's making it a competition, rather than understanding why LGBT pride exists in the first place... Which is all the extra bullshit we have to deal with just being our selves, the massive hatred and bigotry directed at us daily. Honestly the trans community and the lesbian and gay community separately by themselves have much higher than average suicide rates, and not for no reason. When it comes to our exposure and acceptance pride is vital. Straight cisgender people don't need more visibility and pushes for acceptance, because you're accepted and recognized by default. That statement you made, that's taking the word "pride" without any context, the context is everything in this case.

This is the thing I truly made not of. Heterosexuals are pretty much the most homogenized group in the world, if you look at games and movies every relationship works the same way, if you're white every guy looks the same, if you're a woman you need to follow some very specific stereotypes. From my point of view, being part of the GSM lends you something important, a rock solid fundament for your identity. Despite being white, male, and straight, I honestly don't feel that anything in this world is directed at me, I don't feel that people like me is visible, or actually accepted. Sure, I'm not persecuted, but that's mainly because I don't wear my personality on my sleeves. To be frank it would be nice to have someone tell it's okay to feel the way I do without paying out the butt for a shrink.

One of the most common sentiments I hear from the GSM community is that they're not just the same, well, this goes for the Straight Cisgendered people as well. Far as I know there aren't any prides for colossal fuckups with mental issues and personality problems, so I'll take whatever the hell I can get.

Yeah, pride might be stretching it, I don't give a damn about pride, I'd just appreciate someone telling me that it's okay to be the way I am. But as a straight white dude I can go bugger myself, at least if I ask the world.

 

[dreng3]

"Yeah, he targeted a specific part of society, I couldn't tell you why"

Yes. Yes you can. You just don't want to admit it.

Yeah, no. Maybe his mother didn't love him, perhaps she didn't breastfeed, perhaps he saw to guys kissing once. Actions and motives are completely different, couldn't tell you the least about why, I can however tell you what. What is the fact that he went against almost every single rule of civilized society when he decided that he could violate the laws and kill whomever he chose.

 

[JimB]

People think it's about taking pride in being gay, and when they see a bunch of people shitting on Heterosexual pride day they go "oi, the fuck are these guys on about, why can't I be proud of my sexuality too!"

Such people are ignorant, but ignorance is correctable. I don't expect a straight person to intuitively understand the perspective of a gay person or the way social pressure bears down on gay people. However, when talking about a discussion thread in which this was quite explicitly explained before the first page was out, and in which this has been repeated multiple times, my sympathy wanes to nearly nothing. At some point, ignorance becomes willful, and I think someone not reading the discussion he joins in order to crow about his own prejudices is someone who has crossed that line.

 

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This is the thing I truly made not of. Heterosexuals are pretty much the most homogenized group in the world, if you look at games and movies every relationship works the same way, if you're white every guy looks the same, if you're a woman you need to follow some very specific stereotypes. From my point of view, being part of the GSM lends you something important, a rock solid fundament for your identity. Despite being white, male, and straight, I honestly don't feel that anything in this world is directed at me, I don't feel that people like me is visible, or actually accepted. Sure, I'm not persecuted, but that's mainly because I don't wear my personality on my sleeves. To be frank it would be nice to have someone tell it's okay to feel the way I do without paying out the butt for a shrink.

One of the most common sentiments I hear from the GSM community is that they're not just the same, well, this goes for the Straight Cisgendered people as well. Far as I know there aren't any prides for colossal fuckups with mental issues and personality problems, so I'll take whatever the hell I can get.

Yeah, pride might be stretching it, I don't give a damn about pride, I'd just appreciate someone telling me that it's okay to be the way I am. But as a straight white dude I can go bugger myself, at least if I ask the world.

Not visible, how? For starters, being gay or trans isn't a personality. Trans people are still the bank clerk in your service branch, the waitperson in your restaurant, or all too often the homeless person taking shelter under the railbridge. It is no more indicative of another personality trait. I've met other trans people who like motorcycles and I'll click with them solely for that reason, because funnily enough I like motorcycles. I like talking about motorcycles. And funnily enough I've met straight cisgender people who like motorcycles, too. And I'll click with them, because motorcycles are awesome and I like talking about motorcycles.

Being LGBTQ has no inference on recognizing why motorcycles are awesome, and why I click with people because they're like me in liking motorcycles. Visibility helps motivate communities to organise, activism is a human right. Ask any trans person, and they'd love to be told they are okay from the rest of society. Principally by people not making assumptions about their personality, or questioning their existence. You're telling people that you're not persecuted, that's because you're already been told by society that being cisgender and straight is okay. Funnily enough that's exactly what we want, and we don't need nor want any more scrutiny than what you have now, yourself.

That is to say, none.