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Parasondox said:
Soooo.... I guess some didn't see my original post as a bit stupid, over the top, very hyperbolic, sarcastic at times and yes, the main bit here, a bit of a joke that wasn't serious about the whole subject in the first place? I even gave out a little disclaimer at the end.

How does anything on here turn heated? If I mention, "Peanut butter and jelly is the best sandwich around", will that turn into a 5+ page thread of heated "discussions"?
More like it would be ignored in favor of whoever made the thread "Peanut butter and jelly oppresses women?!?!"

Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.
 

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Emanuele Ciriachi said:
I don't have a problem with it - I just don't understand the being proud part of it.
I genuinely see continuing family and society as a collective moral duty, which is more pressing the more one has the social and economical abilities to do so.
People express pride in their sexuality when it breaches the societal norm because they are still marginalized, derided, and in the worst cases abused for something they probably can't control. I suppose in a more perfect world there wouldn't be much of a need to have any sort of pride in any sort of sexuality or differing identity. But we're clearly not there yet.

The second statement is all well and good really, and a pretty harmless opinion, though I definitely don't agree with a collective moral imperative to continue the family line or society. Basically, my view is, just do what you feel is right, whether that's having children or not, and fuck whatever someone else says about how you should manage your own life.
 

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DudeistBelieve said:
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It's trending on Twitter.

Seriously though, how do things get days or months? What agency decides this stuff?
Doesn't have to be anyone, doesn't have to be official, a few of the big ones aren't. IIRC, the International Transgender Day of Remembrance doesn't have official status.
So all you need is to spread the word around?

We should start a holiday for the most pointless thing. like Air. Lets make a day to celebrate air.
Actually in some places celebrating air you can breathe would make sense, and in others it wouldn't because the air is so bad you have to wear masks.
 

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Emanuele Ciriachi said:
I think it makes perfect sense; I am genuinely proud of a sexuality that actually contributes to renew society.
Generating and raising children is costly and time consuming, but it is also emotionally rewarding and a fundamental necessity for the world.

I would not be proud of a sterile use of my sexuality, which would merely self-serving, nor I understand people that are.
Well, overpopulation is a major issue in the world today. Also we have the technology to non sexually create children. So even if everyone in the world was gay, life would go on, since I'm guessing the same % of gay people as straight people want to raise families, even if it means adopting or working with others to create them. Hell, even without the tech, I'm sure plenty of Gay men and women would put up with the act merely for the ability to have and raise children.

I would ask your opinion on condoms/safe sex as well with such a view.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.
Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?
 

shrekfan246

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wulf3n said:
shrekfan246 said:
Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.
Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?
The thread itself, as it was started?

No.

Some of the posts in it, however?

Yes, very much so.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
wulf3n said:
shrekfan246 said:
Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.
Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?
The thread itself, as it was started?

No.

Some of the posts in it, however?

Yes, very much so.
Really?

... huh, I must go to some pretty shitty places, because the Escapist is one of the tamest places I know.
 

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Emanuele Ciriachi said:
I don't have a problem with it - I just don't understand the being proud part of it.
I genuinely see continuing family and society as a collective moral duty, which is more pressing the more one has the social and economical abilities to do so.
Which is garbage... there's no moral duty to protect all societies. Moreover, a society doesn't become more moral the more kids it has. Plenty of societies out there that I don't care a jot about if there were a revolution. It's not encumbent on me to make a moral evaluation as their right to exist. Maybe their people would be more happy in a society split into two, three, became a fire truck... who knows?

If we're talking economics... more children, everywhere, is better than less. But that economic truth is only beneficial to me. Someone who won't have kids due to infertility even before GRS, investing my money in businesses your children will consume and labour cheaply in. If that is a moral good then you might want to show me how. I call it 'business', and it need no morals. Laws perhaps... but not morals.

It might backfire in 80 years time. In which case a GTFR of 2.0~2.2 is ideal. Assuming we're talking about long term prospects of ecological stability. If shit hits the fan however, having more kids or not is not going to be a moral statement.
 

shrekfan246

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wulf3n said:
shrekfan246 said:
wulf3n said:
shrekfan246 said:
Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.
Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?
The thread itself, as it was started?

No.

Some of the posts in it, however?

Yes, very much so.
Really?

... huh, I must go to some pretty shitty places, because the Escapist is one of the tamest places I know.
For the record, being aggrieved is this:
feeling resentment at having been unfairly treated.
"they were aggrieved at the outcome"
It has nothing to do with "tameness". This forum has long had a history of being incredibly passive-aggressive due in part to how the rules were enforced; that makes it far more "tame" than other websites where people are allowed to rant and rage openly without many consequences, but it doesn't stop people from being resentful of what they perceive to be unfair treatment. We have people in this very thread claiming that they're "being attacked" for simply being a straight white man. What else would you call that?
 

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shrekfan246 said:
For the record, being aggrieved is this:
feeling resentment at having been unfairly treated.
"they were aggrieved at the outcome"
resentment said:
bitter indignation at having been treated unfairly
bitter said:
feeling or showing anger, hurt, or resentment because of bad experiences or a sense of unjust treatment.
They seem like pretty strong emotions, that I'm just not seeing here [on the escapist].

shrekfan246 said:
It has nothing to do with "tameness". This forum has long had a history of being incredibly passive-aggressive due in part to how the rules were enforced; that makes it far more "tame" than other websites where people are allowed to rant and rage openly without many consequences, but it doesn't stop people from being resentful of what they perceive to be unfair treatment.
That's not really what I was referring to by tame. I meant it more so in the level of emotion, not the level of attack.

shrekfan246 said:
We have people in this very thread claiming that they're "being attacked" for simply being a straight white man. What else would you call that?
The inherent loss of expression that stems from a significantly visual method of communication being stripped down to just words. probably.
 

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Thaluikhain said:
Reactionary passive aggressive attack on the idea of gay pride. Rather childish in of itself, but a symptom of a greater issue.
Wait, have you actually seen someone use that hashtag who isn't either:

1. Complaining about the very idea of such a thing from an at least vaguely social justice related standpoint.

2. Mocking people in (1).

I haven't yet, but there's a lot of tweets out there.

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Mind you, considering the timing of being just about 1 or 2 weeks after the shooting in Orlando, I wouldn't exactly be surprised if this hashtag was created by somebody on 4chan who just wanted to piss people off, like they did with the black guy in star wars a while back.
This is what it feels like to me. No proof, but it just "feels" like #EndFathersDay.
 

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Schadrach said:
Thaluikhain said:
Reactionary passive aggressive attack on the idea of gay pride. Rather childish in of itself, but a symptom of a greater issue.
Wait, have you actually seen someone use that hashtag who isn't either:

1. Complaining about the very idea of such a thing from an at least vaguely social justice related standpoint.

2. Mocking people in (1).

I haven't yet, but there's a lot of tweets out there.
TBH, not seen any tweets about this instance at all, but this is hardly the first time this has come up, or similar things like "White Pride". Now, sure, maybe this time it's not about reactionary bigots getting upset other people exist, but...it is. We know it is.
 

shrekfan246

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wulf3n said:
They seem like pretty strong emotions, that I'm just not seeing here [on the escapist].
... I don't even know what to say to that. I'm serious, if you think "indignation" and "bitterness" are strong emotions, then I actually don't know how to continue having a conversation here.

EDIT: For clarity, I believe they can certainly fester into strong emotions, but don't imply strong emotions by themselves.

That's not really what I was referring to by tame. I meant it more so in the level of emotion, not the level of attack.
Again, have you literally never seen someone bottle up their emotions? Generally speaking, people can be pretty good at that, especially since around here letting your anger out will frequently result in punishment.

Also, people posting in these sociopolitical threads get emotional all the time. If you haven't been seeing it, then once again, I don't know what to say.


The inherent loss of expression that stems from a significantly visual method of communication being stripped down to just words. probably.
I'm glad someone is firing back. It is annoying being told i'm evil due to my sexuality and having that demonization be cuturally acceptable.
Not really sure what exactly is being lost in that expression, there, but okay.
 

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Dear god this oppression olympics shit is getting really old, frankly I wouldn't mind a new day called "Everyone Yes Everyone Is A Fucking Moron So Fuck You And The ***** You Came Out Of" or just call it "Misanthropy Day" for short. I get why some of these days became a thing but it's just about blowing sunshine up your own ass and virtue signalling at this point. Society is ruled by rich sociopaths, for petty narcissists and their mind numbingly boring need for endless validation.

New flash (outside of the ruling elite and even they have their issues) we've all got our own struggles, rich, poor, black, white, gay, straight etc etc. This idea that any one set lives an easy life of free cocaine/hookers and rides a unicorn to their job at the chocolate factory is deluded. And while we're all busy tearing each other down, fuck all really changes.

Bartender, pour me a bleach on the rocks.... *GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG*
 

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Street Halo said:
This idea that any one set lives an easy life of free cocaine/hookers and rides a unicorn to their job at the chocolate factory is deluded.
More so than the idea that people are actually claiming so?

That people face all sorts of problems is beyond question. That LGBT people face extra, and rather severe ones, simply for being LGBT also should be beyond question.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I know its done tongue in cheek but it still kinda puts me in mind of someone finding out his neighbor is having a birthday and deciding to have a bigger better party to outshine them.
 

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Worgen said:
I know its done tongue in cheek but it still kinda puts me in mind of someone finding out his neighbor is having a birthday and deciding to have a bigger better party to outshine them.
Putting aside the struggle for gay acceptance in society, yeah, that's not a bad analogy. Though perhaps it seems more like someone grumbling to their mates about how they totally should do that, then going back to whatever they were doing.

The "meninist" movement was mentioned earlier in the thread, how many of them didn't get bored and wander off by now?
 

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Worgen said:
I know its done tongue in cheek but it still kinda puts me in mind of someone finding out his neighbor is having a birthday and deciding to have a bigger better party to outshine them.
Heh, competition breeds excellence.

We heterosexuals will throw the best pride parade, the greatest party, with blackjack and hookers! (it'll be tremendous!)