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Funny how self rightious rambling is even more funny when you can't tell what triggered it because context has been cut out.

On more serious note, LGBT activist should be more concerned about neutral bystandars not antagonists (homophobes). Why? Because there are fewer of the latter in any given modern, western society right now and you don't want this to revert. Do you think that this whole mockery has been devised by group which hates people because of their sexual preferances or bunch of bored dicks who are just weary of the 'parades' getting spotlight altogeather.

It's pretty much like accusing every person demanding to drop black history month of KKK membership. Only... Morgan Freeman is in that group as well and he'd have a really hard time to pass up for KKK member.

What I wrote previously applies. Best way to defuse silly prank is to play along with it. Make some friends, have a laugh = win.

Being a non-heterosexual is normal = nothing special, be sure to nurse that valuable equality state, instead of pressuring to make it stand out and be 'special'.
Coming again back to Freeman, he gets that. When he said, that black history IS american history and needs not a 'special' segregated treatment.
 

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it's dumb

it's a dumb thing for reasons I'm sure have been sufficiently explained but the short of it is pretty much every day is hetero-pride day because heterosexuality is present and celebrated in our culture, hence why most of the hashtag was people making fun of the concept

pride exists in response to mainstream society's attitude towards gay people, it is a reminder that we are not less than, something some of us need to be reminded of ourselves and that in turn is something straight people don't often experience
 

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Drathnoxis said:
This is just disgusting! Why do threads like these always get so many comments, why can't we have 300 post discussions about any of the things I want to talk about? When exactly did the Escapist become a community that only wants to discuss politics?
It's not like it's anything new. "Politics" and fad posts, mostly.

Though I do miss the days of "your girlfriend and your neighbour's dog are drowning and you can only save one" threads.
 

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Something Amyss said:
Drathnoxis said:
This is just disgusting! Why do threads like these always get so many comments, why can't we have 300 post discussions about any of the things I want to talk about? When exactly did the Escapist become a community that only wants to discuss politics?
It's not like it's anything new. "Politics" and fad posts, mostly.

Though I do miss the days of "your girlfriend and your neighbour's dog are drowning and you can only save one" threads.
I don't. I found those threads incredibly annoying, given how many of them would pop up, and they'd be things like "Anita Sark and Hitler are drowning, and you MUST save one, which is it." clearly trying to bait for an argument. But to be fair, they were as useful and relevant as most of the ones we have now...meaning not very useful or relevant. Just time fillers basically.

Seriously though, how about we just let this thread die Escapees? It's WAY past the day in question, do we really need to speak of it any more at this point?
 

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Jamcie Kerbizz said:
On more serious note, LGBT activist should be more concerned about neutral bystandars not antagonists (homophobes). Why? Because there are fewer of the latter in any given modern, western society right now and you don't want this to revert.
Based on? Because based on the polling and reactions I've seen, there isn't much in the way of

Do you think that this whole mockery has been devised by group which hates people because of their sexual preferances or bunch of bored dicks who are just weary of the 'parades' getting spotlight altogeather.
Well, this wasn't aimed at me, but I'll go ahead and respond anyway:

I don't care. Neither attitude is good. Morgan Freeman is wrong. He was preaching that we stop looking at race at a time where he lived in a state actively curtailing his rights as a...well, I don't see race, and he doesn't want me to call him black, so I guess if his skull gets busted open by a cop shouting the N-word at him, I can't really say anything. I mean, Freeman has the luxury of being rich. He can move. Money somewhat protects him (though you've got plenty more black celebrities who can attest to how money doesn't solve all your racial problems).

What I wrote previously applies. Best way to defuse silly prank is to play along with it. Make some friends, have a laugh = win.
Except, weirdly, that didn't work for decades. Are you sure "win" isn't a way of saying "I don't have to hear about it anymore?"

Being a non-heterosexual is normal = nothing special, be sure to nurse that valuable equality state, instead of pressuring to make it stand out and be 'special'.
Then you're missing the repeatedly stated point.
 

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Happyninja42 said:
I don't. I found those threads incredibly annoying, given how many of them would pop up, and they'd be things like "Anita Sark and Hitler are drowning, and you MUST save one, which is it." clearly trying to bait for an argument. But to be fair, they were as useful and relevant as most of the ones we have now...meaning not very useful or relevant. Just time fillers basically.
That was kind of my point. I paralleled political threads with...political threads.

Seriously though, how about we just let this thread die Escapees? It's WAY past the day in question, do we really need to speak of it any more at this point?
If we only talk about issues when they happen, nothing ever gets done. Not to mention the specific day or hashtag may be gone, but the attitude remains. Look at the responses in here.
 

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Silvanus said:
I was talking violence in general and wouldn't even begin to argue that trans people wouldn't likely lead the hate crime demo but having said that, the pdf you linked points to most of those murder victims either being killed by partners or in robberies, neither of which could be considered hate crimes. That was a sad/hard read btw, thanks for the depressive thoughts.

Look I think I'm probably being stubborn to a degree and viewing this from my own lower class upbringing perspective, where violence occurred on every day ending with the letter "y". Trans women would be more likely to experience violence than the middle class and above cis/straights so I was wrong there.

As for demographics in violence, the pdf you linked showed that it's shades of grey and not black and white bigotry most of the time. Also speaking as someone with lived experience, violence (more often than not) is rather simplistic and mostly comes down to anger/opportunity. Most violent people are just plain angry and they'll use any excuse/opportunity to be violent for the sake of it. See a Transgendered person? Bash 'em! Wake up the next day, someone made eye contact? Bash 'em too!

I can't count on my fingers and toes the amount of people I've seen get smacked for no real reason other than simply being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. It's a sport to violent people.
 

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Setec Astronomy said:
Nearest and dearest, or "in the commission of another felony" is always in the top slot. Always. Leading causes of death always come after that, in the same way that "Heart Disease" is #1 cause of death.

Get it?
I get it. A partner isn't going to kill someone out of bigotry and robbery is almost always motivated by need and carried out when the opportunity presents itself. You can't just label something a hate crime because a transgendered person was involved and you feel it might have been, especially if there's no evidence to back it up.

So the partner ones are out and robbery is case by case.
 

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Well, you guys should be aware that there exists the International Fetish Day [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fetish_Day] celebrated the third Friday of the year. There is also in Spanish speaking countries July the 24th, 24/7, which is a expresion used for BDSM relationships are all day long all the day.
Interesting....

I'm still far too ashamed of my unnatural tastes to ever be comfortable participating in such an event myself, but it's still interesting regardless!

It is interesting. I'm not ashamed but prefer to celebrate more intimate. But remember no need to be ashamed. I've had my inclinations, for as long as I can remembeer, and accepting them has been awesome. And if you are ashamed, maybe a small gesture, like wearing purple one day, can help you be more confortable with your tastes and accepting yourself. While you are not abusing anyone (I won't say anything about "harming" as inflicting pain can be awesome ;)) knock yourself out of the park. Being a pervert is awesome.

Street Halo said:
lol Are you guys getting the Asian dating site ads or is it just me? I haven't looked up asian porn in weeks but google never forgets.
I have no idea why you made that comment. It has noting to do why my comment.

ANd if you care only about "Hate crimes", well here is the latest statisctic form the FBI: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

In there there are all the reported hate cirmes in 2014 in the FBI. According to them there where 1,248 reported cirmes due to sexual orientation. 98.5% of those where against LGBT population. Only 1.5% reported that were against stright people. FOr every cirme against a striagh person for being straight, there are 65 against the perception of an LGBT community. So hate crimes agisnt sexual preferences is extremely against LGBT, not straights. That is the reality in the US. And those are the only reported ones. There might be more dark numbers.
 

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Phasmal said:
Pffffffft more like Heterosexual Shame Day.

Seriously what's wrong with some people? It's like the White Pride thing. "I know these people were oppressed for hundreds of years, BUT I WANT A HASHTAG TOO".

It's childish, really.
Probably because people don't really like to be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.
And it's not like white people weren't oppressed either, only difference is that white people was oppressed by other white people.

Anyways, I don't really mind Black pride or Gay pride.
Let people be proud of who they are, be they gay, white, black, or whatever.
I don't really mind white pride and straight pride either, as long as it isn't born out of homophobia or racism.
 

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Ushiromiya Battler said:
Probably because people don't really like to be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.
Who's being blamed and what didn't they have anything to do with?
 

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Something Amyss said:
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Probably because people don't really like to be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.
Who's being blamed and what didn't they have anything to do with?
White people in general being blamed for minorities having a shitty life, instead of specific people. Same thing with straight people and homosexuals.
Happens mostly on the internet though.
 

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Ushiromiya Battler said:
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White people in general being blamed for minorities having a shitty life, instead of specific people. Same thing with straight people and homosexuals.
Happens mostly on the internet though.
Which specific people should be blamed? And what does that have to do with gays and straights?
 

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Something Amyss said:
Ushiromiya Battler said:
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White people in general being blamed for minorities having a shitty life, instead of specific people. Same thing with straight people and homosexuals.
Happens mostly on the internet though.
Which specific people should be blamed? And what does that have to do with gays and straights?
The people that actually make things shitty for them. If a cop screws you over, you shouldn't blame all cops, just that one cop in particular.

It has to do with straights and whites in that the same thing happens there. People like to throw everyone into on pot and blame them all instead of the individuals that slighted them.
 

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I really don't care about it to be honest, let them have their own festivals. What we should do instead is import the Japanese penis festivals make it a international holiday. Straights love them and so do gays, Hell I'm a straight guy and I fancy looking at a cute trap's cute dick every now and then. It'd be the best way to reconcile tensions between the sexualities, World peace achieved through our mutual admiration of the penis. We can also a vagina day for those with other preferences and an ass day too because everyone enjoys a nice piece of ass .

skip to(8:49)
 

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Ushiromiya Battler said:
Something Amyss said:
Ushiromiya Battler said:
Probably because people don't really like to be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.
Who's being blamed and what didn't they have anything to do with?
White people in general being blamed for minorities having a shitty life, instead of specific people. Same thing with straight people and homosexuals.
Happens mostly on the internet though.
You seem not to understand something here, the systemic issues that are attached here. For example, while it's federally illegal to deny someone a place in a university, or college... Try being a black student, who is neither a star athletic, nor a star student, but passably within the standards of a given university, or college. Even with affirmative action programs the odds are against your getting in any of the schools you applied for. Now stack upon that the liklihood of being born into a shitty neighborhood, with an equally shitty school, where most of the teachers don't give a fart in the vastness of space about your success... Versus in any white dominate school where the teachers bend over backwards to make sure their students succeed. I grew up in a Podunk little white as it gets town in Southern Oregon, my teachers there showed an obvious bias to the white students, but still bent over backwards to make sure all in their care did well. All of my teachers were very success oriented, in a very success important environment. Now compare that to an inner city school with mostly racial minority students, where the common culture is heavily racial minorities, and the concept of scholastic success is seen as hopeless...

Now look at the common culture where LGBT folk are concerned... Where over a quarter(28%) of people think that being gay/lesbian should be illegal... [http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx]

These are systemic issues that stem from personal prejudice... Writing them off because some people don't experience that systemic hate and fear base prejudice, where many in the majority might not express such prejudice, is short sighted. The fact of the matter is, that many of the people in power are disproportionately represented by those with backwards ideas. If that weren't the truth things like North Carolina's HB2, which doesn't just make bathrooms unacceptable to trans folk, but repeals all GSM[footnote]Gender and Sexuality Minority[/footnote] protections across the state, while preventing new ones from being passed... While a major political group like the Family Research Council can fight to deny trans people our basic rights... [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/and-then-they-came-for-tr_b_9258678.html] When the Republican National Convention can officially take up an anti-transgender possition [http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/2/25/republican-national-committee-endorses-anti-trans-bathroom-bills] while also trying to roll back marriage equality...

Tell me that there isn't a hate driven position among straight cisgender folk to deny basic rights to GSM(LGBTQI+) folk. One that the good and supportive majority is unwilling to back. That most straight cis folk will allow to exist out of either apathy, or a vested interest to protect their privilege to harm vulnerable minorities... Because if you say that system doesn't exit, you're at best ignorant of the reality, or at worst happy to let the hate mongers drive us to the closet, suicide, and further violence and murder.
 

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KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Ushiromiya Battler said:
Something Amyss said:
Ushiromiya Battler said:
Probably because people don't really like to be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.
Who's being blamed and what didn't they have anything to do with?
White people in general being blamed for minorities having a shitty life, instead of specific people. Same thing with straight people and homosexuals.
Happens mostly on the internet though.
You seem not to understand something here, the systemic issues that are attached here. For example, while it's federally illegal to deny someone a place in a university, or college... Try being a black student, who is neither a star athletic, nor a star student, but passably within the standards of a given university, or college. Even with affirmative action programs the odds are against your getting in any of the schools you applied for. Now stack upon that the liklihood of being born into a shitty neighborhood, with an equally shitty school, where most of the teachers don't give a fart in the vastness of space about your success... Versus in any white dominate school where the teachers bend over backwards to make sure their students succeed. I grew up in a Podunk little white as it gets town in Southern Oregon, my teachers there showed an obvious bias to the white students, but still bent over backwards to make sure all in their care did well. All of my teachers were very success oriented, in a very success important environment. Now compare that to an inner city school with mostly racial minority students, where the common culture is heavily racial minorities, and the concept of scholastic success is seen as hopeless...

Now look at the common culture where LGBT folk are concerned... Where over a quarter(28%) of people think that being gay/lesbian should be illegal... [http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx]

These are systemic issues that stem from personal prejudice... Writing them off because some people don't experience that systemic hate and fear base prejudice, where many in the majority might not express such prejudice, is short sighted. The fact of the matter is, that many of the people in power are disproportionately represented by those with backwards ideas. If that weren't the truth things like North Carolina's HB2, which doesn't just make bathrooms unacceptable to trans folk, but repeals all GSM[footnote]Gender and Sexuality Minority[/footnote] protections across the state, while preventing new ones from being passed... While a major political group like the Family Research Council can fight to deny trans people our basic rights...[/url="http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/2/25/republican-national-committee-endorses-anti-trans-bathroom-bills"] When the Republican National Convention can officially take up an anti-transgender possition [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/and-then-they-came-for-tr_b_9258678.html] while also trying to roll back marriage equality...

Tell me that there isn't a hate driven position among straight cisgender folk to deny basic rights to GSM(LGBTQI+) folk. One that the good and supportive majority is unwilling to back. That most straight cis folk will allow to exist out of either apathy, or a vested interest to protect their privilege to harm vulnerable minorities... Because if you say that system doesn't exit, you're at best ignorant of the reality, or at worst happy to let the hate mongers drive us to the closet, suicide, and further violence and murder.
Wow, that was a totally unnecessary reply, it's not like I actually said that people don't experience racism or prejudice.
I'm just annoyed that it's all fine and dandy to generalize a whole group of people just because they are statistically more likely to be more privileged than you.

Now when it comes to rights and stuff, I'm proud as shit of my country for finally allowing transgenders to legally change their gender without having to go through any medical treatment first.
 

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Ushiromiya Battler said:
The people that actually make things shitty for them. If a cop screws you over, you shouldn't blame all cops, just that one cop in particular.
Okay, but...what if it's not one cop? What if it's a series of cops pointing to a systemic or institutional issue?

Cops, in general, are a problem for the LGBT community.

Straight people, in general, are a problem for the LGBT community. It's only been the last couple of years that opposition to us having rights has lost the majority, and right now, it's in the margin of error. There is a culture out there that treats us poorly, and if you think it's the 3% of the population that's non-straight that's controlling that, then there's a bigger issue at work here.

No, straight people have been dictating our rights and our lives for centuries. Individual people are not being blamed, and thus, if you're not part of the problem, you shouldn't feel blamed. This is sort of like saying "but I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, so how can you call her the Democratic nominee for President?"

People are addressing a systemic problem. Being petulant and doing something like complaining about the lack of a straight pride day because you are upset that you feel like you are being blamed only makes you part of the problem.
 

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Ushiromiya Battler said:
I'm just annoyed that it's all fine and dandy to generalize a whole group of people just because they are statistically more likely to be more privileged than you.
You're annoyed that people are generalised because they're generally more likely to be more priveleged than you?

wait, what?
 

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Something Amyss said:
Ushiromiya Battler said:
The people that actually make things shitty for them. If a cop screws you over, you shouldn't blame all cops, just that one cop in particular.
Okay, but...what if it's not one cop? What if it's a series of cops pointing to a systemic or institutional issue?

Cops, in general, are a problem for the LGBT community.

Straight people, in general, are a problem for the LGBT community. It's only been the last couple of years that opposition to us having rights has lost the majority, and right now, it's in the margin of error. There is a culture out there that treats us poorly, and if you think it's the 3% of the population that's non-straight that's controlling that, then there's a bigger issue at work here.

No, straight people have been dictating our rights and our lives for centuries. Individual people are not being blamed, and thus, if you're not part of the problem, you shouldn't feel blamed. This is sort of like saying "but I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, so how can you call her the Democratic nominee for President?"

People are addressing a systemic problem. Being petulant and doing something like complaining about the lack of a straight pride day because you are upset that you feel like you are being blamed only makes you part of the problem.
Okay, first thing to get out of the way, I'm not straight. Just wanted to get that out there.

Cops being a problem for the LGBT community depends on where you live and blaming every cop after you've been slighted is just silly. And that's my point, you should not blame everyone, for something only a few have done. And yes, this is hard as shit when you are the one that has been hurt, but blaming everyone wont help.

Now, when it comes to straight people, there's shitloads of straight people out there that support our rights. Should I blame them for something other straight people have done? No, cause they had nothing to do with it.

My whole point is that we should not stereotype or generalize people. Throw them all into one pot. It just hurts our cause.