Hey 4chan? Can we talk briefly?

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TheYellowCellPhone said:
dragoongfa said:
4chan is no longer affiliated with GamerGate after the banning of the discussion a week ago.

Nice joke though.
Everyone's talking about jumping ship to 8chan.co

It's a lot like the first schism where a bunch of people fled to 7chan, except they're not pedos defending their right to post illegal jailbait and loli images this time.

By everyone I mean the guys who frequent /pol/, /b/, and /v/. Most of the other boards are pretty much unaffected.
As an /a/ resident, I've also jumped ship after recieving a total of 13 days of bans over the past 14 days for posting stuff that the new mods just decided they didn't like. Like a picture with sideboob on /a/. An anime drawing of a video game character got me banned on /vg/ for not pertaining to video games. And I got banned for 7 days on /v/ for posting in a GG thread.

4chan is no longer the place it once was. It's got new mods that ban completely arbitrarily and randomly and moot is a slave to an army of lawyers now.
 

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Unless the entire thread was total and awesome satire then its obviously a place for every stereotype for MRA's ever by the looks of it. I read through like 100 short comments ALL of them to this effect. All.
It is most of the time, they pick up the usual nitpick and go up to eleven with the joke. Like Bioware recently includes a lot of homosexual content (it was even made fun of in Dragon Age 2 where you couldnt be nice to anyone or in the next cutscene you would be having sex with that person, a lot of people probably werent planing on having same sex relations in that game but they happened anyway) so they put that joke up to eleve. Add to the fact that every character in Dragon Age Inquisition is trying to look ugly and you have the mix for exageration to take a jokingly stab at the turbo feminist tumblr crowd. In the end its exageration on purpose to get the rise out of people, sometimes even simply baiting with some foundations to end up with a successful bait.

You end up getting used to it and very easily spotting the joke comment and the serious comment.
 

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Saetha said:
Wait, you expected some actual discussion value at 4chan? Bloody 4chan? What?

I mean, I like the site in the way that you like a dam. It's not going to make for any good conversation, but hey, at least it keeps the bullshit all isolated somewhere far away from me. I'm not sure why anyone would go there for actual discussion, especially if they can't really stand trolling or shitposting.
I've seen just as much intelligent and insightful conversation on 4chan as I have on any other site over the years. I'd tell you to look for yourself, but frankly the site has become a shell of its former self in the past month.
 

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chadachada123 said:
I may be uninformed...but why exactly should anyone give a single fuck about nude celebrity photos?
a violation of privacy for one

[quote/]They were illegally obtained. That's it. Now that they're on the internet, they're fair game, but why is anyone making a big deal of it?[/quote]
they are "fair game" in the same way that somones bike sitting there without a bikelock is "fair game" its so easy to take it but that doesn't make it ok

[quote/]"Hurr sexism" is hardly an argument[/quote]
of coarse it isn't...it isn't even a coherent sentence

[quote/]when nudes of male actors would be met with all sorts of hypocrisy. Don't try to deny for a second that many, many adult women would love to see nude pictures of Ryan Renalds, etc; illegally obtained or not.
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wich proves...what exactly?

1. it hasn't happened

2. it would ALSO be an invasion of privacy (and not ok)

3. don't pretend all this happens in a post-sexist vacumn...it doesn't
 

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[quote/]They were illegally obtained. That's it. Now that they're on the internet, they're fair game, but why is anyone making a big deal of it?
they are "fair game" in the same way that somones bike sitting there without a bikelock is "fair game" its so easy to take it but that doesn't make it ok

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That's the part I don't understand.

Once a photo is shared, it's fair game, in the sense that it's impossible to police. It's the same with any nude photos, of which there are tens of thousands all over various sites. To compare it to a bike, physical property, is obviously incompatible.

The part I don't understand is that this WAS the line of thinking when Hilten's video was leaked, or Vanessa Hudgens.

Is it the fact that the former were hacked while the latter were presumably released by the ex? I could understand the logical/legal difference, but I'd disagree that it should be given any fucks just because *a famous person's* privacy was violated and the evidence spread.

I just don't get the "big deal" part. Privacy was invaded. Big whoop. Some member of 4chan threatens to do it further. Big whoop. Sucks for the parties involved, but its spread over the internet is not a big deal.
 

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That's the part I don't understand.

Once a photo is shared, it's fair game, in the sense that it's impossible to police.
and my point still stands, just because nobody will stop you from doing something [I/]doesn't make it ok[/I] you could argue that merely looking at them isn't "as bad" as sharing because the former doesn't "contribute" to it or that the "blame" capacity acts like a pyramid (guy who "hacked" them and shared at the top) but its still not righto view naked photos of someone if you know that was not their intention

[quote/]It's the same with any nude photos, of which there are tens of thousands all over various sites.[/quote]

a lot of those nude images are probably consensual, we know for a fact the celebrity ones are not



[quote/]Is it the fact that the former were hacked while the latter were presumably released by the ex? I could understand the logical/legal difference,[/quote]
I never said there was one, though being released by an ex seems almost worse to me since its such a petty malicious thing to do

[quote/]but I'd disagree that it should be given any fucks just because *a famous person's* privacy was violated and the evidence spread.

I just don't get the "big deal" part. Privacy was invaded. Big whoop. Some member of 4chan threatens to do it further. Big whoop. Sucks for the parties involved, but its spread over the internet is not a big deal.[/quote]

maybe it [I/]hurts[/I] people? maybe its humiliating? maybe they feel violated? maybe it can seriously harm their reputation?
 

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4Chan is not something that anyone should take seriously regarding anything. Those that do clearly have no idea what they are talking about. It puts you on par with the CNN guy who thought 4Chan was a person.
 

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4Chan is not something that anyone should take seriously regarding anything. Those that do clearly have no idea what they are talking about. It puts you on par with the CNN guy who thought 4Chan was a person.
Just so you don't get hate elsewhere on the internet, it's 4chan, not 4Chan.
Vault101 said:
[quote/]but I'd disagree that it should be given any fucks just because *a famous person's* privacy was violated and the evidence spread.

I just don't get the "big deal" part. Privacy was invaded. Big whoop. Some member of 4chan threatens to do it further. Big whoop. Sucks for the parties involved, but its spread over the internet is not a big deal.
maybe it [I/]hurts[/I] people? maybe its humiliating? maybe they feel violated? maybe it can seriously harm their reputation?[/quote]

I admit those, but I just don't see at as much more than tripping during the graduation ceremony. Really embarrassing/humiliating for the time being, but inconsequential in the long run (since essentially everyone their age does it to begin with, and because of the number of people involved). The reputation part, too, since this is after the Vanessa Hudgins incident. I don't get why we haven't gotten to the "it's embarrassing to be leaked but normal in private" stage despite it being exactly that.

It could mostly be that I just don't care about an issue like this, given that I'm pretty sure one or several pictures of my dick are spread around the internet because of a certain jilted ex. But..I simply don't give a heck, even if my name ended up attached (so long as my size is deemed sufficient).
 

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chadachada123 said:
I admit those, but I just don't see at as much more than tripping during the graduation ceremony. Really embarrassing/humiliating for the time being, but inconsequential in the long run (since essentially everyone their age does it to begin with, and because of the number of people involved). The reputation part, too, since this is after the Vanessa Hudgins incident. I don't get why we haven't gotten to the "it's embarrassing to be leaked but normal in private" stage despite it being exactly that.

It could mostly be that I just don't care about an issue like this, given that I'm pretty sure one or several pictures of my dick are spread around the internet because of a certain jilted ex. But..I simply don't give a heck, even if my name ended up attached (so long as my size is deemed sufficient).
Tripping during a ceremony is something you do yourself.

If you were to be tripped by someone on purpose, and the media went round blaming you for not stopping them doing that, and how you are setting a terrible example to kids, then it might be more comparable.
 

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... 4chan is crashing and burning by having the same amount of traffic as they did a year ago? Really gotta let that chart go for a couple more months for any conclusions to be reached from it.
 

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I left shortly after the whole BOXXY wars debacle, with many others who hung there from starters. And, back then, nobody really cared at all about /b/, much less /pol/. Also many of /k/ommandos and /p/ros were /b/tards too.

P.S. I didn't speak of cultures of different boards. I never even lurked many boards. As I said, /k/ and /p/ were my mains with occasional hot to several others.
 

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josemlopes said:
It is most of the time, they pick up the usual nitpick and go up to eleven with the joke. Like Bioware recently includes a lot of homosexual content (it was even made fun of in Dragon Age 2 where you couldnt be nice to anyone or in the next cutscene you would be having sex with that person, a lot of people probably werent planing on having same sex relations in that game but they happened anyway) so they put that joke up to eleve. Add to the fact that every character in Dragon Age Inquisition is trying to look ugly and you have the mix for exageration to take a jokingly stab at the turbo feminist tumblr crowd. In the end its exageration on purpose to get the rise out of people, sometimes even simply baiting with some foundations to end up with a successful bait.

You end up getting used to it and very easily spotting the joke comment and the serious comment.
If it was satire theres obviously a level in the community im just not used to, because it was played DAMN straight, like some comments were obviously light hearted but the general idea that a game with lesbians in it is a SJW game by default was played straight as an arrow. Maybe theres some nuance though, perhaps youre right. It just didnt read like satire, and tbh im not sure i want to wade through potentially terrible and childish discussions to understand it but thats my prerogative.

It just read like a load of horny teenagers denied a porn mag. Maybe i projected my expectations onto the text :p
 

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thaluikhain said:
chadachada123 said:
I admit those, but I just don't see at as much more than tripping during the graduation ceremony. Really embarrassing/humiliating for the time being, but inconsequential in the long run (since essentially everyone their age does it to begin with, and because of the number of people involved). The reputation part, too, since this is after the Vanessa Hudgins incident. I don't get why we haven't gotten to the "it's embarrassing to be leaked but normal in private" stage despite it being exactly that.

It could mostly be that I just don't care about an issue like this, given that I'm pretty sure one or several pictures of my dick are spread around the internet because of a certain jilted ex. But..I simply don't give a heck, even if my name ended up attached (so long as my size is deemed sufficient).
Tripping during a ceremony is something you do yourself.

If you were to be tripped by someone on purpose, and the media went round blaming you for not stopping them doing that, and how you are setting a terrible example to kids, then it might be more comparable.


Who, except for a couple of pundits and stupid soccer moms, would say that? Who the hell would blame them, nor say they're setting a bad example?

THOSE are the types that are immoral, not anyone spreading them around the internet. (The person that started it is obviously an illegal dick, but everyone else is nothing compared to Hollywood, tabloids, and soccer moms).

So, yeah, caring about what Hollywood media says is pretty silly. Just tell them to politely fuck off. Problem solved.

Your analogy is right about the media being retarded for putting false blame, but your peers (fellow graduates) wouldn't be judging you for it, nor thinking it was your fault yada yada. They'd think it funny at first then be pissed at the one who tripped you if it became more than "heh, she got tripped."
 

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chadachada123 said:
Who, except for a couple of pundits and stupid soccer moms, would say that? Who the hell would blame them, nor say they're setting a bad example?

THOSE are the types that are immoral, not anyone spreading them around the internet. (The person that started it is obviously an illegal dick, but everyone else is nothing compared to Hollywood, tabloids, and soccer moms).

So, yeah, caring about what Hollywood media says is pretty silly. Just tell them to politely fuck off. Problem solved.

Your analogy is right about the media being retarded for putting false blame, but your peers (fellow graduates) wouldn't be judging you for it, nor thinking it was your fault yada yada. They'd think it funny at first then be pissed at the one who tripped you if it became more than "heh, she got tripped."
Was it...Vanessa Hudgens or something who had to come out and apologise to her fans that someone leaked naked pics of her? And her career took a nasty knock, IIRC.

Sure, people really shouldn't judge, but they do, and in great numbers. Hell, remember when Kristen Stewart had an affair with someone that wasn't RPatt and there was a massive backlash against her?
 

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Oh fantastic! Turns out the whole thing was a hoax by a scummy, slimy "PR firm", who are a cover for a group of professional trolls.

You know what, if the internet wasn't integral to my job, I'd just live in a flipping cave.

http://www.businessinsider.com/emma-watson-naked-photo-countdown-hoax-2014-9#ixzz3EEiqEpy9
 

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thaluikhain said:
chadachada123 said:
Who, except for a couple of pundits and stupid soccer moms, would say that? Who the hell would blame them, nor say they're setting a bad example?

THOSE are the types that are immoral, not anyone spreading them around the internet. (The person that started it is obviously an illegal dick, but everyone else is nothing compared to Hollywood, tabloids, and soccer moms).

So, yeah, caring about what Hollywood media says is pretty silly. Just tell them to politely fuck off. Problem solved.

Your analogy is right about the media being retarded for putting false blame, but your peers (fellow graduates) wouldn't be judging you for it, nor thinking it was your fault yada yada. They'd think it funny at first then be pissed at the one who tripped you if it became more than "heh, she got tripped."
Was it...Vanessa Hudgens or something who had to come out and apologise to her fans that someone leaked naked pics of her? And her career took a nasty knock, IIRC.

Sure, people really shouldn't judge, but they do, and in great numbers. Hell, remember when Kristen Stewart had an affair with someone that wasn't RPatt and there was a massive backlash against her?
Fair point for the first; I believe you're correct there.

The second one, though? She deserves mocking and the like, as do any adulterers. In my opinion. But that's an entirely different subject.

I guess I'll revise my thoughts on the subject: HOPEFULLY these actresses won't have their careers damaged, and if they do, it's almost entirely because of soccer moms and Hollywood, not the spread of them on the internet (per the OP). And, of course, the fault of the hacker himself, who may or may not be using 4chan as a cover.
 

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Dakkagor said:
Oh fantastic! Turns out the whole thing was a hoax by a scummy, slimy "PR firm", who are a cover for a group of professional trolls.

You know what, if the internet wasn't integral to my job, I'd just live in a flipping cave.

http://www.businessinsider.com/emma-watson-naked-photo-countdown-hoax-2014-9#ixzz3EEiqEpy9
As mentioned in other threads, that might be what people at 4chan want us to think.

chadachada123 said:
The second one, though? She deserves mocking and the like, as do any adulterers. In my opinion. But that's an entirely different subject.
She got it, he didn't, IIRC.

chadachada123 said:
I guess I'll revise my thoughts on the subject: HOPEFULLY these actresses won't have their careers damaged, and if they do, it's almost entirely because of soccer moms and Hollywood, not the spread of them on the internet (per the OP). And, of course, the fault of the hacker himself, who may or may not be using 4chan as a cover.
Well...without them being spread on the net, we'd not have the issue.
 

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Eh, hit quote not edit. First time I've done that.

...

[small]Now, back when there was lots of double posting, I'd mention H2O: Just add water, but now I guess the spinoff Mako Mermaids is more relevant. And Lucy Fry from that went on to be in the, IMHO, unfairly maligned Vampire Academy movie.

US vampire stuff, taking Australian mermaids and making them put on bad British accents[/small]
 
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Dakkagor said:
Oh fantastic! Turns out the whole thing was a hoax by a scummy, slimy "PR firm", who are a cover for a group of professional trolls.

You know what, if the internet wasn't integral to my job, I'd just live in a flipping cave.

http://www.businessinsider.com/emma-watson-naked-photo-countdown-hoax-2014-9#ixzz3EEiqEpy9
Yeah, 8chan's /pol/ broke that story themselves after a lot of investigation and passed it on to any news agency they thought would cover it. Not that it was hard to figure out after that site started redirecting to that whole "#ShutDown4chan" page. They even made an infograph with evidence:



Regardless, it's fucking ON, now. Everyone, including you, OP, was so willing to believe that 4chan are a bunch of scumbags that you'll believe any clever hoax without evidence just because somebody slaps "we r leejun" on it, claiming to be from there. But you know what - we can take it. Because we're the hero the internet deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So they'll hunt us; but they'll never pin us down. We're more than a site, now. We're a goddamn ethnicity, and we refuse to be genocided. Home is where the heart is, guys. Keep your chin up and fight back.
 

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Regardless, it's fucking ON, now. Everyone, including you, OP, was so willing to believe that 4chan are a bunch of scumbags that you'll believe any clever hoax without evidence just because somebody slaps "we r leejun" on it, claiming to be from there. But you know what - we can take it. Because we're the hero the internet deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So they'll hunt us; but they'll never pin us down. We're more than a site, now. We're a goddamn ethnicity, and we refuse to be genocided. Home is where the heart is, guys. Keep your chin up and fight back.
Genocided? The hero the internet deserves?

This is a joke, right?