Hey Everybody, It's the God of War III Sex Scene! *NSFW*

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So... it's degrading for gamers to seek real women online through gaming dating sites (that gamecrush thing) and Dead Or Alive et al are degrading to women because they fight in their bikinis/have large breasts, but this is amazing because it's from a highly anticipated title?

Hypocrisy bar none.

Before I get all the fanboys sending hate-mail rather than admitting to this I should probably point out that the scene itself doesn't bother me (don't have a PS3 for a start), it's more the reaction to it that I find sad.
 

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SakSak said:
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*sigh*

the collective IQ mankind has apparently dropped another dozen or so points since the last time I looked.

Indeed, what is the point? Besides to use digital lesbians and rendered breasts to make a ludicrous amount of money more than what GoW III would have already made. Honestly, I feel ashamed by association to belong to the male side of humanity, because I know not just one, or two, but several cpies of the game will be sold based on that alone.

Just when I was hoping that humanity might have some hope after all... But no, implication of sex and a poor female actor voicing some uuhs and aahhs is still a surefire way to make bucketloads of money from gamers.
See it like that: Greek mythology has always been fond of sex. It's a very important...well, part of the mythology. So it's possible that the sex scene will make it look more authentic.

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[...] but several cpies of the game will be sold based on that alone.

Just when I was hoping that humanity might have some hope after all... But no, implication of sex and a poor female actor voicing some uuhs and aahhs is still a surefire way to make bucketloads of money from gamers.
I agree with you there, it's kind of sad. But hey, I think I, too, would create a sex scene in order to make more moneyz.


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IamQ said:
The IQ of the entire mankind has been lowerd because of a sex scene? How is that possible?
Because someone thought it would be a good idea to associate the greek goddess of beauty, love, sensuality and sexuality with nothing but hot steamy sex, using poor animations, poor voice acting and the male character associated with a game that paints entire mountains red with the blood of his 5000+ dead enemies, mortal and immortal alike.

And someone besides the guy from the marketing department agreed.

And now half of the internet is drooling over that.
First of all: That has nothing to do with IQ, but education. Whether you know what the Greek mytholgy is really like or not is a matter of education.
Anyway-
It's a game. I don't think the game intended to impart knowledge about the Greek mythology, but to be fun. It's all about fun. Nothing more. You're taking it too serious.
 

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It's a game. I don't think the game intended to impart knowledge about the Greek mythology, but to be fun. It's all about fun. Nothing more. You're taking it too serious.
And I believe I have a right to be peeved when they gutted even more of the original mythology, as well as used resources and time to create something distinctly not-fun. Or were you entertained by that scene?

When I wan't to play a game that is about slaughtering enemies by the hundrets in as many bloody ways as possible, I do not want a half-assed, poorly-done non-story-related obligatory fan-yay sex-scene QTE in the middle of facing those hordes of enemies or solving puzzles that will get me to those hordes of enemies. NOt when I could have had better slaughter-fest or more in-depth story to it if the resources used for that sex QTE had been redirected to improve the actual game.
 

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Bloodstain said:
It's a game. I don't think the game intended to impart knowledge about the Greek mythology, but to be fun. It's all about fun. Nothing more. You're taking it too serious.
And I believe I have a right to be peeved when they gutted even more of the original mythology, as well as used resources and time to create something distinctly not-fun. Or were you entertained by that scene?

When I wan't to play a game that is about slaughtering enemies by the hundrets in as many bloody ways as possible, I do not want a half-assed, poorly-done non-story-related obligatory fan-yay sex-scene QTE in the middle of facing those hordes of enemies or solving puzzles that will get me to those hordes of enemies. NOt when I could have had better slaughter-fest or more in-depth story to it if the resources used for that sex QTE had been redirected to improve the actual game.
As I said, I think the scene may establish a deeper connection between the game and the Greek mythology (because sex was a very common thing in the mythology, y'know). Beside of that, it's for making more money. Naked women = moar moneyz. That's how the world is. We could start a debate now about why such scenes are appealing to people, but I think that would go too far.
And no, I wasn't entertained.

"NOt when I could have had better slaughter-fest [...]"
Is slashing through enemies FOR HOURS really that fun? Okay, it is. But said sex QTE actually *is* some kind of diversion. It's something different for a change.
"[...] or more in-depth story to it [...]"
In-depth story in a slash combat gore-game? Really?
Story and atmosphere are very important to me, that's why I usually don't play much gore-games.

The most important reason for this QTE is still the money. Sex sells best.
I could discuss if sex scenes really are a sign of stupidity and whatever else, but that would also go too far.
 
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Err...correct me if I'm wrong, or this was reversed in III, but didn't Athena kinda...die near the end of II?
Oh yeah, sorry, huge late spoiler warning.

Athena is dead, but not dead-dead. She's a shade of her former self, merely a ghostly see-trough body but has still some power and has done a 180 in regards to Zeus' continued existance. So she helps Kratos along but in the end doesn't quite get what she wanted. So she's kind of the tip-giver and tutorial voice-over rolled into one, as well as Deus Ex Machina for plot-elements.
So in other words, she's "only mostly dead"?
 
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Hubilub said:
And now God of War 3 has me drooling over another thing.

That game is going to ruin my carpet!

And my pants..
Just put down some Kleenex.
Phoenixlight said:
Ugh, this really does drag the series down in terms of respectability...
It had respectibility?

OT:AH well this is just funny. I wonder how long it will take before we see other sex in videos or if stuff like this will become normal for that "realism" effect.
 

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As I said, I think the scene may establish a deeper connection between the game and the Greek mythology (because sex was a very common thing in the mythology, y'know).
So then the question becomes, if they wanted to create a deeper connection with the original mythology in regards to sexuality, why did they put sex in only briefly and only into one area?

Beside of that, it's for making more money.
Yes, this we agree in. I simply lament the fact that something so poorly executed and out of place as this sex scene actually can, will and has sold.

"NOt when I could have had better slaughter-fest [...]"
Is slashing through enemies FOR HOURS really that fun? Okay, it is. But said sex QTE actually *is* some kind of diversion. It's something different for a change.
I suppose I can't argue with that too much. It simply feels like if a game suddenly turned into C&C when minutes earlier I had been playing Civilization, or into an FPS from Total War... It's out of place, feels disconnected and in terms of the rest of the game, doesn't fit in too well and as far as I can see serves no purpose other than a fan-yay.

"[...] or more in-depth story to it [...]"
In-depth story in a slash combat gore-game? Really?
Story and atmosphere are very important to me, that's why I usually don't play much gore-games.
Yes, it is a shame. Now imagine if the GoW III story had been better, if we simply removed the sex scene. There was a story, but it could have been so much better and instead of improving that the developers gave us a QTE event with a few oohs and aahs, an event that serves no purpose plot- or gameplay-wise and isn't even fun.
 

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thebobmaster said:
So in other words, she's "only mostly dead"?
Yeah. Fairly early in the game, after pushing the reset-button (roughly 1 minute into the vid):

 
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It had already been established that Hephaestus had a direct line to Aphrodite, its just she never used it. And knowledge of how to repair the bridge would require either technical or current knowledge, which rules out both Pandora (who's been trapped for years) and Athena (engineering doesn't come under wisdom). I notice how your point seems to be drifting more towards you disliking sex scenes rather than disapproving how they dealt with Aphrodite
Read my previous posts in this thread. I never said I disliked sex scenes on principle, but rather because in this case

it did nothing plot-wise (A return trip to Hephaestus would have even been possible, since at the broken bridge there were A: No harpies to ride, B: upward drafts to glide, C: no walls to climb etc), gameplay-wise or story-wise
He was on the bridge and followed what he could, leading him to Aphrodite and thus to Hephaestus. Simple.
And really the scene had about as much point as, say, the fight with Hercules, and I don't see you complaining about that being added in, or that they didn't give him his true Greek name of Herakles. So, as I suspected earlier, this isn't about you disliking the handling of mythology. You just dislike the sex scene

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Pallindromemordnillap said:
vastly oversimplifies original greek mythology (then again, that has been getting bumfrakked sideways all troughout the game so what is a little more)

and used up time and resources in creating it, that could have been used to improve other portions of the game instead.
As I said, sex was an integral part of Aphrodite's character. Her priestesses were prostitutes, she was herself a seducer. She was formed from the genitals of Ouranos. To argue that she shouldn't have any part in a sex scene because she's also related to beauty/fertility is pointless because so were most of the Greek goddesses. They all had aspects (Hera and marriage, Artemis and childbirth, Demeter and pregnancy) and Aphrodite's part was sex

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Pallindromemordnillap said:
See some of my previous comments in this thread:

"They are using sex and sexuality to market a game that isn't about sex or sexuality. They are giving the boot to an even larger part of Greek mythology to do it (more than they already are, that is) and the scene does not add to the gameplay, story, overall polish or the end value to those gamers who happen not to be 'in need of it'. And creating this scene cost time and money, which could have been used to improve one of the aforementioned aspects of the game.

The reason I'm griping about this is that it leads to a worse product than what it would have been without it and no one seems to give a damn because they are distracted by Teh Jubblies."
"To clarify things further: I would be equally ranty if the scene was about Kratos making gooey faces to a child and the QTEs about making said child laugh. Or alternative if the scene was absolute harcore beastiality featuring Kratos, the Cerberus and a horde of Pegasi. The content of the scene, as it does not improve the gameplay, characters or story, is secondary to my complaints. The fact that it is sex simply makes it easier for people to ignore what I'm complaining about and see this all as being opposed to showing sex in general."
The games have always been about Kratos and who he is. You argue about simplification being a bad thing, yet you just want Kratos to be devoid of any personality bar "kills things"? Seems a bit of a contradiction to me. And before you say anything about this not adding to kratos' character let me point you to the first game where we see no women can replace the void left by his wife. In this game we see not even Aphrodite can, which links into the final scenes in his own mind where he finally forgives himself for killing his family

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Pallindromemordnillap said:
And as for engineering not falling under the purview of wisdom:

Athena: "Kratos, the bridge is broken. But this bridge was build by Hephaestus, perhaps you can get his help to cross it" - Cue return to the underworld via some twisted and long-winded means to lenghten gameplay and gaining the Electro-Blades (tm)

Aphrodite had one line that tied her to the game. A line that could have been said or the information in it gained via half-a-dozen other means, none of which involve Aphrodite. As far as plot and story is concerned, Aphrodite is useless. She serves no other purpose but the sex-scene.
And what purpose does Herakles play apart from gaining the Nemean Cestus? If you're going to use arguments at least be consistent
 

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Pallindromemordnillap said:
And what purpose does Herakles play apart from gaining the Nemean Cestus? If you're going to use arguments at least be consistent
God Of War is, as far as gameplay is considered, about killing things en masse and defeating creatures of mythology (such as centaurs, cerberus, Titans, gods). On that vein, Herakles fits in quite well as a mid-game boss-battle. Not to mention it deals with his mmmh... downfall from the limelight as the mortal champion of the gods and subsequent jealousy for Kratos and to him pounding Kratos to dust would bring him his own resolution and as he sees it, rightful place as the favourite of Zeus.

For Kratos, I can imagine this is a mirror-moment. He sees in front of him what he might have been if not killing Ares: a loyal lackey of the Olympians, powerful in his own right but shackled, and desperate for any scraps the Olympians might throw his way.

As for Kratos remaining one-dimensional: I never advocated for that. I have never even said that Kratos is one-dimensional. Simply that the core game is about slaughtering enemies and battling adversity.

Heck, after witnessing his catharsis I doubt anyone can claim that he is one-dimensional.

And since Cratus was the personification of strenght, and if we go with Aiskhylos' depictions, he was an utterly loyal enforcer of Zeus', incapable of showing mercy and even unable to relate to those who did. In that vein, his brutal one-mindedness for revenge makes some sense (even if it is against Zeus)

Anf finally I see you bringing in one good point:
And before you say anything about this not adding to kratos' character let me point you to the first game where we see no women can replace the void left by his wife. In this game we see not even Aphrodite can, which links into the final scenes in his own mind where he finally forgives himself for killing his family
That I actually hadn't considered and it does fit. This makes the scene only poorly executed instead of superfluous.

If only they had tied it to his dead family a bit better... say by hallucinating his dead wife instead of Aphrodite, or some of her features overlapping with the goddess for a blink of an eye, or a quick flash of memory... and then Kratos having a sad/disappointed/lost-in-memories-that-are-better-than-the-current-reality look even as he leaves the (for the brief moment) satisfied Goddess of Sex on the bed, unaware of his lack of emotional satisfaction.

That kind of sex-scene I would have even been happy with.
 

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SakSak said:
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As I said, I think the scene may establish a deeper connection between the game and the Greek mythology (because sex was a very common thing in the mythology, y'know).
So then the question becomes, if they wanted to create a deeper connection with the original mythology in regards to sexuality, why did they put sex in only briefly and only into one area?
I guess more sex would have been even more potentially offensive. And it *is* potentially offensive because otherwise we wouldn't argue right now.
On a side note: It probably isn't the main reason for implementing a sex scene. As said already, the main reason is (probably) the money.

Beside of that, it's for making more money.
Yes, this we agree in. I simply lament the fact that something so poorly executed and out of place as this sex scene actually can, will and has sold.
I don't know whether it fits well in the storyline. But I can imagine it seems out of place. I agree: If implementing a sex scene, you should do it well (aka assure that it fits well). Otherwise it seems like cheap porn. But if done well, I think that a sex scene can really enhance the atmosphere and the "feeling" of a game (don't get me wrong please), it may seem more realistic.

"NOt when I could have had better slaughter-fest [...]"
Is slashing through enemies FOR HOURS really that fun? Okay, it is. But said sex QTE actually *is* some kind of diversion. It's something different for a change.
I suppose I can't argue with that too much. It simply feels like if a game suddenly turned into C&C when minutes earlier I had been playing Civilization, or into an FPS from Total War... It's out of place, feels disconnected and in terms of the rest of the game, doesn't fit in too well and as far as I can see serves no purpose other than a fan-yay.
Okay, you convinced me here. I reconsidered it and I guess a sudden change from hack'n'slay to QTE to hack'n' slay is too sharp of a contrast.
Of course it's fan-yay, which brings us back to the money.

"[...] or more in-depth story to it [...]"
In-depth story in a slash combat gore-game? Really?
Story and atmosphere are very important to me, that's why I usually don't play much gore-games.
Yes, it is a shame. Now imagine if the GoW III story had been better, if we simply removed the sex scene. There was a story, but it could have been so much better and instead of improving that the developers gave us a QTE event with a few oohs and aahs, an event that serves no purpose plot- or gameplay-wise and isn't even fun.
I don't think the story is worse just because there is a sex scene. I suppose the sudden change of gameplay mechanics and the out-of-place appearance of a sex scene may be odd, but in my opinion the story is unaffected by that. But as said before, it could have been better (aka it could have improved the game as described above).
 

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Bloodstain said:
I don't think the story is worse just because there is a sex scene.
I actually discussed this before on this very thread, so I'm just going to quote myself here:

when operating within limited constraints, using the resources you are given for anything but the core product, the core product automatically fails to achieve it's full potential.

Because the scene was created, this represents time and money within the development budget and timetable that was not used to improve God Of War III - when I have zero wish to see a second rate sex scene in a game about violent blooshedding and carving up your enemies, to me as an end user those resources were wasted. It would have been better if the persons who did this scene had used the time and money to go on a vacation instead: no work that matters still would have gotten done, but at least they might have been more relaxed and productive the following few days.

It's like we're about to be delivered a console and have just been told that the console comes in a pink quadruple-layered package with gold-glitter on the surface and LED-lights on the carrying handle of the package. Everyone is going "This has been done before, why are you complaining" or "Gold glitter and unnecessary shiny bits! Shut up your whining" when I'm saying "People, this all represents money that didn't go into making the product itself! Because you got the pink wrapping and gold glitter, the console is not as good as it could have been!"
 

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SakSak said:
Bloodstain said:
I don't think the story is worse just because there is a sex scene.
I actually discussed this before on this very thread, so I'm just going to quote myself here:

when operating within limited constraints, using the resources you are given for anything but the core product, the core product automatically fails to achieve it's full potential.

Because the scene was created, this represents time and money within the development budget and timetable that was not used to improve God Of War III - when I have zero wish to see a second rate sex scene in a game about violent blooshedding and carving up your enemies, to me as an end user those resources were wasted. It would have been better if the persons who did this scene had used the time and money to go on a vacation instead: no work that matters still would have gotten done, but at least they might have been more relaxed and productive the following few days.

It's like we're about to be delivered a console and have just been told that the console comes in a pink quadruple-layered package with gold-glitter on the surface and LED-lights on the carrying handle of the package. Everyone is going "This has been done before, why are you complaining" or "Gold glitter and unnecessary shiny bits! Shut up your whining" when I'm saying "People, this all represents money that didn't go into making the product itself! Because you got the pink wrapping and gold glitter, the console is not as good as it could have been!"
"Because you got the pink wrapping and gold glitter, the console is not as good as it could have been!"
I'm pretty sure the game contains everything they wanted to implement. Even if said sex scene haven't been made, the game wouldn't be any better because they simply wouldn't have anything more to add to the game.
Probably, the creation of the scene didn't take very much time. In this short amount of time, it's unlikely that they could have created any more important plot-related content. I guess even if they could, they wouldn't (as I said, I'm sure they added everything that was to add).

Conclusion: They game wouldn't be any better (maybe even the opposite, as described in my former posts), it just would have been released a little bit earlier. I don't know how much time you need to create such a scene, but I doubt it's significantly long.
 

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Bloodstain said:
Conclusion: They game wouldn't be any better (maybe even the opposite, as described in my former posts), it just would have been released a little bit earlier. I don't know how much time you need to create such a scene, but I doubt it's significantly long.
I do wonder, when was the last time a game was released when the developers/coders were truly happy with it, instead of when the marketing department pushes for it.

There is always stuff to improve upon. Having something implemented and having something implemented to the finesse and degree aimed at, are two different things.
 

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SakSak said:
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Conclusion: They game wouldn't be any better (maybe even the opposite, as described in my former posts), it just would have been released a little bit earlier. I don't know how much time you need to create such a scene, but I doubt it's significantly long.
I do wonder, when was the last time a game was released when the developers/coders were truly happy with it, instead of when the marketing department pushes for it.

There is always stuff to improve upon. Having something implemented and having something implemented to the finesse and degree aimed at, are two different things.
Still, I don't think they could have created plot-important content in such a short period of time.

"There is always stuff to improve upon." That's right, but it's not the fault of creating a sex scene that these things aren't improved.
 

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Bloodstain said:
"There is always stuff to improve upon." That's right, but it's not the fault of creating a sex scene that these things aren't improved.
Again, I point to this

when operating within limited constraints, using the resources you are given for anything but the core product, the core product automatically fails to achieve it's full potential.
 

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SakSak said:
Bloodstain said:
"There is always stuff to improve upon." That's right, but it's not the fault of creating a sex scene that these things aren't improved.
Again, I point to this

when operating within limited constraints, using the resources you are given for anything but the core product, the core product automatically fails to achieve it's full potential.
You use yourself as an authority to base on, to prove the correctness of your point of view?

Anyway-
I don't share your opinion here. It may also expand the experience while the core product remains unharmed. It depends.

Besides: The sex scene actually is part of the "core product" (the Greek mythology) because, as I said earlier, sex is very important in the mythology.
 

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You use yourself as an authority to base on, to prove the correctness of your point of view?
No, I am restating an argument which you hadn't countered.

When functioning with limited resources, if some of those resources are allocated to area A, how does this not lessen the potential max resources put to areas B, C and D?

And if the core product was greek mythology, Kratos would have been an antropomorfic personification instead of a spartan warrior and Ares would have not died at his hand and he would have never lifted his sword against Zeus.

The core product is an action-adventure video game about bathing in the blood of enemies with a plot about loss, adversity and achieving catharsis trough self-forgivness ; not ancient greek mythology.