Hitman Studio Apologizes For Nun Massacre

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LT Cannibal 68 said:
ok you're right kratos was a wrong example, then how about that werewolf guy from the twilight movies? he takes his freaking shirt off for no reason. try to tell me that's not male sexualization.
Yes, that would be a better example. Though of course, Twilight is not a video game (yet... *shudders*). My point isn't that men are never treated in this way, or even that all sexualisation is wrong (I've actually said a few times in this thread that I support it in some cases. I've also said that sexy doesn't have to mean objectified), but that for men it's the exception rather than the rule (in games), whereas for women it's pretty hard (not impossible, but unusual) to find a character that wasn't designed with sex appeal as the primary objective.

Hopefully that clears up where I stand on the matter.

EDIT: also, apologies for the spoiler fail in my previous post. Sorted now.
 

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Those were not real nuns, but foul witches defiling the face of God. And then justice been done.

Seriously though? Shut up about it. It was not a big deal, it's like you never watched Tarantino movies or something.
 

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The trailer was fine. There are simply too many religious fanatics around.
I have no problems with a hit team, consisting entirely of women dressed as nuns, being in a computer game.

I have a problem with it being in this computer game.

Is the concept exploitative? Certainly. Does it offend religious sensibilities? Probably. But that isn't the issue.

The problem is that Sexy-Nun-Hit-Squad should be in a game called 'Sexy Nun - Hit Squad'. I'd totally play that. But 42 doesn't exist in that type of universe. He exists to kill Colombian Drug Lords and Russian Arms dealers and the occasional renegade CIA operative. These ladies look like they've dropped out of Bayonetta.
You missed the part where he kills the Russian drug lord in the last games and in the corner off camera on the couch is the russian druglords wife reading the newest issue of Nun Weekly? For anyone needing a tie-in:D
 

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They don't have anything to apologise for. Dear video games studios, stop apologising for trivial things.
 

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They apologized for a dumb trailer.... Why not apologize for shit that actually matters? You know, like removing the people who have been with the franchise from the beginning: David Bateson, Vivienne McKee, Jesper Kyd, didn't those people matter?

Fuck IO Interactive.
 

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I'm not offended at the trailer. I'm offended that it's a Hitman trailer. Gives you a completely contrary image of what the series has been up to now, and it would have put me off the game entirely if I hadn't seen the Chinatown gameplay immediately afterward.
 

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Am I the only one who does not see a problem?

Seriously, it's a trailer for a game. Those who saw it and went "Oooh, sweet" are happy with it.
Those who went "Aww, that doesn't look interesting" won't buy the game.
The former group will post links on facebook and pre-order or whatever.
Latter group will stay quiet unless they meet a member of the former group at which point they will remain quiet except to point out the game didn't excite them in any way.

But lo, there came a third group. Comprised of people who think that this is a statement against nuns/women/whatever. Many have never played a hitman game before. Some may have no concept of gaming outside of wii-sports. A scant few will have a gaming history ranging further back than the current generation.
This last group will have missed the point of it being a game, that it has all been done before in cinema and other media before.
This last group should be ignored.
 

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Oh dear god toughen the fuck up.

People should just shield this out as the normal over sexualization of everything, its not a big deal.
 

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Ayjona said:
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I also have a hard time believing that nobody at IO saw any potential problems with the video.
I do as well. But if it is indeed true, it might be indicative of an even greater problematic.
What irritates me is that they seem to be utterly missing the point. People aren't offended by gun toting S&M nuns, it's just blatantly stupid. People are more upset that the games are straying from their roots. I've never gotten into the Hitman games, so that's an impression I've reached from a neutral standpoint, so I'm amazed they can't see it.

Edit: to clarify: I don't see groups like "One Million Moms" and their ilk to be "people", per se. More an itch on the arse of society.
 

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What's the problem with the trailer? I don't see it.

It's brutal, but it's rated "m", so no problem here.
 

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I actually have two problems with this. First of all I think it is degrading to women and if it was supposed to be a parody, it did not come through because it seemed like it was all serious business. Secondly, I find it sacrilegious because having the sisters show up as nuns and take off their clothes to reveal stripper outfits upsets me as a christian. If they revealed that they were carrying appropriate clothing and weaponry for a fight, I wouldn't have as much problem. The sexy nun outfit, I believe, is an insult to my religion because nuns are some of the best human beings on this Earth and to show them as being sex fiends underneath it all shows a great disrespect for what they do. That is why I am angry people.
This is the Internet. To most people on there, religion is a joke. This is coming from a Christian. I just saw the trailer, and even though I find it a bit strange (then again, I suppose most people wouldn't expect real nuns to be directly involved in shootings), I hardly find it offensive. In fact, I'm a little surprised that nobody has tried committing a crime disguising themselves as a priest, monk, etc. in real life (unless it's happened and I simply haven't heard of it).
 

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Andy Chalk said:
I can buy Blystad's story that the trailer wasn't meant to be taken quite so seriously, but his statement that it wasn't intended to "provoke" people is nonsense. The specific purpose of promotional trailers is to inspire a response; otherwise, what's the point? I also have a hard time believing that nobody at IO saw any potential problems with the video. They aren't "real nuns" (or even real people) but given the relative immaturity and insecurity of the videogame industry, surely somebody, somewhere, must have paused for a moment to consider the implications of graphically wiping out a squad of Holy Sisters. Not that I'm suggesting the video shouldn't have been released, but claiming surprise over a not-entirely-positive reaction to it strikes me as just a tad disingenuous.
Provocation implies negitive emotions, which, I can assure you, is not what they were going for.
I would also imagine that the people at IO thought about it, said 'Nah, people will understand the look we are going for' then moved on.
Like a sensible group of people would.

It saddens me that they apologised. If you're going to make a product in a specific style without the intent to offend, you have nothing to apologise for.
 

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heard about the response before I ever saw the trailer itself lol
but after watching it...well it's silly but really well made and pretty interesting. provocative imagery even without the overhanging controversy people are raising but it's not a big deal I don't think (no to talk down to video game culture or anything, not in the least)
 

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Who are the people taking offense to this. I just do not understand what the issue is.

Why are they dressed like nuns? It's a disguise in a game that has a heavy dose of religion in it.

Why are they dressed like strippers underneath to assassinate someone? Because it is a game, games don't exactly sell for their logic. It's sexy and sex sells. I am very ok with this.

Why is all this an issue? It's not. Enjoy your damn game.

But seriously WHO are the people taking offense to this? People talk about the immaturity of the industry. Immature gamers would be LOVING this. I'm waiting for a statement from one million mums.
 

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First of all, I thought it was a good trailer, as it makes me want to play the game while I've never really gotten into Hitman before. Secondly, it is a video game. If this was a movie, no one would complain about it (at least, no one would pay attention to the complaints).

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Andy Chalk said:
By now you've no doubt seen and probably formed an opinion about last week's trailer for Hitman: Absolution, but on the off-chance that you've missed it, it goes more or less like this: a group of smokin' hot nun assassins wearing light bondage undergarments attacks Agent 47 and he messes them up badly. Some people thought the video was silly, others found it offensive, and still more were offended by the apparently shabby treatment being given to their beloved Hitman franchise.

But Hitman studio IO Interactive apparently saw none of it coming. "We're sorry that we offended people - that was truly not the intention of the trailer," Game Director Tore Blystad told IGN. "We were surprised that it turned into such a huge topic. Something similar happened with our Sniper Challenge pre-order bonus... We just wanted to make something cool, it wasn't the intention to stir up anything."
I'm really, really not sure what he thought would happen. He was either flying in the face of the tone of the series, or showing a bald man murdering a group of nuns on their way back from the new dual-purpose NRA/S&M club.

Andy Chalk said:
The trailer is actually based on a level in the upcoming Hitman: Absolution called "Attack of the Saints," in which the Agency sends a team of female assassins to punch 47's ticket once and for all. As for why they're dressed like nuns, Blystad explained that it's a combination of the game's natural extremism and the influence of film directors like Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez.
...oh, hell.

Andy Chalk said:
"The grindhouse theme is something that we're using throughout the game," he said. "It tends more towards sixties exploitation movies - these were a fascination [for us] because they were so extreme."
I didn't get a single sense of that from the gameplay footage. But if that's true...

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Andy Chalk said:
I can buy Blystad's story that the trailer wasn't meant to be taken quite so seriously, but his statement that it wasn't intended to "provoke" people is nonsense. The specific purpose of promotional trailers is to inspire a response; otherwise, what's the point? I also have a hard time believing that nobody at IO saw any potential problems with the video. They aren't "real nuns" (or even real people) but given the relative immaturity and insecurity of the videogame industry, surely somebody, somewhere, must have paused for a moment to consider the implications of graphically wiping out a squad of Holy Sisters. Not that I'm suggesting the video shouldn't have been released, but claiming surprise over a not-entirely-positive reaction to it strikes me as just a tad disingenuous.
What baffled me the most was how easily it could've been...well, better. And without sacrificing the overall structure of the trailer.

-Take the pace of it, for one thing: we've got the stupid contrast between the assassin team's combat prowess/their deliberate movement after the RPG hits...versus their inane Charlie's Angels pose before it fires. They're not preparing to take on the deadliest assassin on Earth. They're posing for the camera.

-Their clothes. I have no problem with disguising them as nuns. In fact, I like it. But it's important to leave it at just a disguise. Why would anyone go through the trouble to obtain habits for disguises and then also prepare fetishized version to wear underneath when you decide to throw subtlety out the window?

-Show the disguises being worth something. Most of those guns could reasonably fit underneath a nun's habit, except for the RPG. Replace it with an underslung grenade launcher for her assault rifle and you're golden.

New version: group of 'nuns' approaching the building. It'd be better if they were walking alongside it, because then it's not obvious that they're making a b-line for 47's room. Then, in one smooth, unified motion, they draw their weapons and open fire, riddling the hotel room with bullets. A grenade is fired, and the explosion happens. From there, things proceed normally, albeit without them wearing ridiculous fetish costumes and combat stilettos that are visible through their disguises.

With that rendition, they actually look like competent assassins. They maintain their cover until the very instant that they're opening up on their target, and never bother with any of that pointless showboating. I enjoy the sort of thing they claim to be taking inspiration from, but those (when done properly) didn't go so clearly out of their way to make it obvious that the things they're doing are just for the benefit of the viewer. If you want an absurd world, go for it...but keep it uniform. The moment that you throw in nun assassins making Charlie's Angels poses and put them alongside a professional hitman we already know, you've lost most of your main audience.
 

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samaugsch said:
NvrPhazed said:
I actually have two problems with this. First of all I think it is degrading to women and if it was supposed to be a parody, it did not come through because it seemed like it was all serious business. Secondly, I find it sacrilegious because having the sisters show up as nuns and take off their clothes to reveal stripper outfits upsets me as a christian. If they revealed that they were carrying appropriate clothing and weaponry for a fight, I wouldn't have as much problem. The sexy nun outfit, I believe, is an insult to my religion because nuns are some of the best human beings on this Earth and to show them as being sex fiends underneath it all shows a great disrespect for what they do. That is why I am angry people.
This is the Internet. To most people on there, religion is a joke. This is coming from a Christian. I just saw the trailer, and even though I find it a bit strange (then again, I suppose most people wouldn't expect real nuns to be directly involved in shootings), I hardly find it offensive. In fact, I'm a little surprised that nobody has tried committing a crime disguising themselves as a priest, monk, etc. in real life (unless it's happened and I simply haven't heard of it).
My second post clarified this a little. Basically, I have no problem with people disguising as nuns. What I am offended at is the the whole exploitation of the sexy nun outfit that sometimes people have dirty fantasies about nuns that just need a good dicking. I believe that it is offensive to portray nuns (real or fake) like that because real nuns devote their lives to helping others voluntarily, and to portray that they are secretly sex fiends inside is ludicrous and (ill say again) offensive.

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if only it were that simple
 

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I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it. I still believe that it is in poor taste both in respect to gender and religion but that is just IMO.