Hitman Studio Apologizes For Nun Massacre

[Ogargd]

I find it slightly disappointing that it was mentioned that people could think "Oh what if he was killing real nuns" - not to mention its the same as killing anyone else - if anyone were to ever get offended by that aspect I suggest their opinion is one not worth listening too.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Yet, if it were men wearing skimpy outfits and being beaten up by a woman in a suit, everyone would laugh.

Your false sense of sexism amuses me, lol.

 

[Zipa]

Tbh they should be apologising for that RPG causing a massive explosion,they don't do that.

 

[lacktheknack]

This is the biggest issue I've had with the whole argument over the video. Everyone seems to be questioning "why were they dressed like that to assassinate someone?" yet no one questions "why is he wearing a formal suit to assassinate someone?". The answer to both questions is the same, but only one is being asked.

Is it the same? I thought the answer to the formal suit was "Because assassination is his business in every sense and the suit doesn't draw lots of attention" and the answer to the nun costumes is "because lol".

 

[lacktheknack]

Yet, if it were men wearing skimpy outfits and being beaten up by a woman in a suit, everyone would laugh.

Your false sense of sexism amuses me, lol.

Nice assumption. My reaction here is a raised eyebrow, and my reaction to the reverse situation would be... another raised eyebrow.

 

[Evil Smurf]

I liked the nuns! MOAR NUN ASSASSINS!

 

[LT Cannibal 68]

I actually have two problems with this. First of all I think it is degrading to women and if it was supposed to be a parody, it did not come through because it seemed like it was all serious business. Secondly, I find it sacrilegious because having the sisters show up as nuns and take off their clothes to reveal stripper outfits upsets me as a christian. If they revealed that they were carrying appropriate clothing and weaponry for a fight, I wouldn't have as much problem. The sexy nun outfit, I believe, is an insult to my religion because nuns are some of the best human beings on this Earth and to show them as being sex fiends underneath it all shows a great disrespect for what they do. That is why I am angry people.

you find the nun outfits sacrilegious? it's a fucking game, and besides in an earlier hitman game 47 is living in a shed next to a CHURCH! an actual church and no one got their jimmies rustled. and if you really want/don't want to get offended watch/don't watch the latter half of machete that shit is bonkers and fucking awesome.

 

[LT Cannibal 68]

Pussies.

People are constantly complaining that the industry itself is what needs to grow up.... Bullshit. It's the whiny, precious little consumers who somehow think that violence against digital women is soooo much worse than violence against digital men.

No one would have given two short fucks if 47 had have done the EXACT same thing to a load of guys in priest gowns that fell off to reveal leather hotpants or someshit. Infact people would probably have called it progressive.

Frikin selective hippies.

While I'm not denying that some people had a problem with the violence, I'd like to point out that the comments about the industry needing to grow up tend to refer to the sexualisation of women, not the violence.

Now, I'm not about to say that all sexualisation is a bad thing, but you have to admit that this did look like something an adolescent would dream up, surely? Hence the "grow up" comments.

sexualization can go both ways mate, look at the sexy nuns and then go look at kratos a bulky shirtless dude in a skirt. fucking double standards i swear.

captcha: face the music

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Yet, if it were men wearing skimpy outfits and being beaten up by a woman in a suit, everyone would laugh.

Your false sense of sexism amuses me, lol.

Nice assumption. My reaction here is a raised eyebrow, and my reaction to the reverse situation would be... another raised eyebrow.

That means I wasn't talking to you, silly billy.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

*RPG somehow creates a fireball

*Guy survives massive explosion that destroys a bulding

*No one notices man three feet behind them, killing their friends

*One individual single handily fights off and kills a dozen trained assassins

But did you see how they looked? How unrealistic! That's totally impractical and sexist.

lolwut?

 

[Clearing the Eye]

*RPG somehow creates a fireball

*Guy survives massive explosion that destroys a bulding

*No one notices man three feet behind them, killing their friends

*One individual single handily fights off and kills a dozen trained assassins

But did you see how they looked? How unrealistic! That's totally impractical and sexist.

lolwut?

You leave Chris Redfield's steroid abuse out of this mister! Dis r srs bzns!

Steroids? Lies! Lies!! All men have biceps larger than their head.

 

[Riobux]

The more I think of the trailer, the more I realise that criticisms of the advert is pretty much a criticism of the series. The advert is one massive joke, a wink and a nudge towards the camera. This is no different to a morbidly obese man you have to assassinate in a meat-factory in Hitman or Hitman:Contracts, nor is it any different to a Blood Money advert which was the first-person perspective seeing Agent 47 ready to drop a toaster into the bath the person is in.

A good chunk of Hitman is the absurdity of it. Nothing is normal and deadly serious. You don't have a deep plot with twists and turns, filled with grit and talking about how Agent 47 is suffering internally (like every single gritty game released in the last five years, hell even Max Payne which used to conveyed a good story but winked at the ridiculous nature of it all has now stooped to something more generic (that's not to say Max Payne 3 is bad, just it's not what it used to be)). You have a bald man with a bar code on the back of his head due to him being manufactured infiltrating various places, each with an ounce of absurdity that didn't have to be there but is. You have him infiltrate a Japanese Shogan fortress, you have him infiltrate a biker place, you have him infiltrate a masquerade. These didn't have to be, especially since they don't contribute to the main over-arching story (which little of one actually exists), but are.

If you have a problem with the trailer, you really have a problem with the series and/or you missed the point of the series. If you wish to criticise it still, go for it. I give you free reign. However, it'd likely be wrong to suggest a change. You may not enjoy it, like I don't like death metal or Nintendo games, but it'd be wrong to try to please everyone.

The one troubling part of this news article though is not so much the trailer it's self, which as I said before is the game's signature, but rather the developer apologising for it. When a developer apologises for an aspect of the game, usually it ends up being changed in the future. Hitman: Absolution is finished enough where I don't have to fear it changing into a gritty shape filled with grit and brown and grey, but with apologises for frolicking in what the developer dubbed "game's natural extremism" it shows that they may be changing the game series in the future. A change to something that less winks at the camera at the sheer absurdity of it all, and is more deadpan nonsense.

If you really want an elaboration on some of the things I'm talking about here, watch the most recent Extra Credits episode: http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/hard-boiled Just because the example they use, Max Payne, is pretty much a series that ditched the absurdity of the plot and the wink-and-nudge approach due to the switch in developer, and went absolutely deadpan and pretty much paid for it.

 

[Eamar]

Pussies.

People are constantly complaining that the industry itself is what needs to grow up.... Bullshit. It's the whiny, precious little consumers who somehow think that violence against digital women is soooo much worse than violence against digital men.

No one would have given two short fucks if 47 had have done the EXACT same thing to a load of guys in priest gowns that fell off to reveal leather hotpants or someshit. Infact people would probably have called it progressive.

Frikin selective hippies.

While I'm not denying that some people had a problem with the violence, I'd like to point out that the comments about the industry needing to grow up tend to refer to the sexualisation of women, not the violence.

Now, I'm not about to say that all sexualisation is a bad thing, but you have to admit that this did look like something an adolescent would dream up, surely? Hence the "grow up" comments.

sexualization can go both ways mate, look at the sexy nuns and then go look at kratos a bulky shirtless dude in a skirt. fucking double standards i swear.

captcha: face the music

Pull the other one! No woman (well, I'm sure some do, but it's not the norm) finds Kratos sexy. Kratos is a male power fantasy, and you know it.

EDIT: in case you're not getting that, I'll explain myself better: if the Kratos frequently posed in such a way that we all got a good look at his package, if the camera lingered on his sweet ass all the time, and if he posed like this

Spoiler: I know this is Master Chief, not Kratos, but it's the first example I found

THEN you could claim he was overly sexualised. Sexualisation is not all about what the character is wearing, it's how it's dealt with.

 

[nexus]

... but they are not nuns ? Were they.

 

[LT Cannibal 68]

Pussies.

People are constantly complaining that the industry itself is what needs to grow up.... Bullshit. It's the whiny, precious little consumers who somehow think that violence against digital women is soooo much worse than violence against digital men.

No one would have given two short fucks if 47 had have done the EXACT same thing to a load of guys in priest gowns that fell off to reveal leather hotpants or someshit. Infact people would probably have called it progressive.

Frikin selective hippies.

While I'm not denying that some people had a problem with the violence, I'd like to point out that the comments about the industry needing to grow up tend to refer to the sexualisation of women, not the violence.

Now, I'm not about to say that all sexualisation is a bad thing, but you have to admit that this did look like something an adolescent would dream up, surely? Hence the "grow up" comments.

sexualization can go both ways mate, look at the sexy nuns and then go look at kratos a bulky shirtless dude in a skirt. fucking double standards i swear.

captcha: face the music

Pull the other one! No woman (well, I'm sure some do, but it's not the norm) finds Kratos sexy. Kratos is a male power fantasy, and you know it.

EDIT: in case you're not getting that, I'll explain myself better: if the Kratos frequently posed in such a way that we all got a good look at his package, if the camera lingered on his sweet ass all the time, and if he posed like this

Spoiler: I know this is Master Chief, not Kratos, but it's the first example I found

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/288/4/1/zero_suit_master_chief_by_kevinbolk-d30tm0o.jpg[/img/[/spoiler]

THEN you could claim he was overly sexualised. Sexualisation is not all about what the character is wearing, it's how it's dealt with.[/quote]


ok you're right kratos was a wrong example, then how about that werewolf guy from the twilight movies? he takes his freaking shirt off for no reason. try to tell me that's not male sexualization.

 

[Eamar]

ok you're right kratos was a wrong example, then how about that werewolf guy from the twilight movies? he takes his freaking shirt off for no reason. try to tell me that's not male sexualization.

Yes, that would be a better example. Though of course, Twilight is not a video game (yet... *shudders*). My point isn't that men are never treated in this way, or even that all sexualisation is wrong (I've actually said a few times in this thread that I support it in some cases. I've also said that sexy doesn't have to mean objectified), but that for men it's the exception rather than the rule (in games), whereas for women it's pretty hard (not impossible, but unusual) to find a character that wasn't designed with sex appeal as the primary objective.

Hopefully that clears up where I stand on the matter.

EDIT: also, apologies for the spoiler fail in my previous post. Sorted now.

 

[Lord_Gremlin]

Those were not real nuns, but foul witches defiling the face of God. And then justice been done.

Seriously though? Shut up about it. It was not a big deal, it's like you never watched Tarantino movies or something.

 

[Graill]

The trailer was fine. There are simply too many religious fanatics around.

I have no problems with a hit team, consisting entirely of women dressed as nuns, being in a computer game.

I have a problem with it being in this computer game.

Is the concept exploitative? Certainly. Does it offend religious sensibilities? Probably. But that isn't the issue.

The problem is that Sexy-Nun-Hit-Squad should be in a game called 'Sexy Nun - Hit Squad'. I'd totally play that. But 42 doesn't exist in that type of universe. He exists to kill Colombian Drug Lords and Russian Arms dealers and the occasional renegade CIA operative. These ladies look like they've dropped out of Bayonetta.

You missed the part where he kills the Russian drug lord in the last games and in the corner off camera on the couch is the russian druglords wife reading the newest issue of Nun Weekly? For anyone needing a tie-in

 

[MammothBlade]

They don't have anything to apologise for. Dear video games studios, stop apologising for trivial things.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

They apologized for a dumb trailer.... Why not apologize for shit that actually matters? You know, like removing the people who have been with the franchise from the beginning: David Bateson, Vivienne McKee, Jesper Kyd, didn't those people matter?

Fuck IO Interactive.