Hobbit Casting Agent Fired For Dismissing Non-White Hobbits

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Frankly, all the hobbits are described as being caucasian, that's the way the stories were, staying true to the source material is racist? I think not, frankly it seems to me that she went in there to the casting call specifically with the intention to cause waves and start a contraversy, the casting call said exactally what they were looking for and she went there anyway. I didn't see anyone complaining that the Easterlings (That being the men mounting the great stonking big elephants) are all of middle eastern apperance? No, because that was, in fact, in the books, though i doubt anyone would take the time to check before creating a racial powder keg.

Seriously people, can't we live in an age where we don't have to put disclaimers on everything that is made with other races in it to state that "We're a multicultural team and as a multicultural team we hope that you understand that we're a multicultural team and we get our multiculturalism from our multicultural team and can you tell how much multiculturalism is in this multicultural production but how many multicultural times we use the word multicultural as a multicultural flame shield so your multicultural asses can't complain that we're killing multiculturally so that you can't accuse us of not being multicultural because we are so are multicultural!"

C'mon, though i did laugh to myself about the disclaimer at the start of Assassins Creed 1&2. Seriously, i was pissed that they weren't going to have someone of middle eastern apperance playing the Prince of Persia, partly because i can't stand Jake whats-his-name but mostly because it wasn't true to the original text. I was equally upset when i heard that the had an all caucasian line up for Avatar: The Last Air Bender. (Creatively called 'The Last Air Bender' because i assume they wanted to distance themselves from that other Avatar that did well but was highly uninspired, overrated and just a little plagiarised) And i had decided to myself that i wans't going to see it because i knew i'd keep dispising the actors for not being as the Source material said, sure, i could forgive them being taller or shorter or speaking differently than the Anime, but changing race? Nah, no way. Luckily they came to their senses and fixed that storm before it hit shore.

So i propose, in all fairness, isn't it about the story and it's context rather than what we deem 'insensitive' Look at Shindlers List, if it had just been turned down because everyone in it was unpolitically non-ethnic, it would have been a blow to movie culture as a whole, it's the story that matters, staying true to the original may not be highly reguarded, but hell, i like to think that 'I Am Legened' would have rocked my fuzzy soxs off if it had stayed true to the book, the ending being deamed 'too confronting' for public viewing, Seriously, if you've seen the movie and not read the book, i encourage you to go do so, it's a very short book and i can promise that after you read it you won't be able to say that the movie was a good adaptation.

I just want to live in a word where anyone can make a joke about anyone else and everyone laughs, but that's just me, i don't think humour should be limited by what's 'acceptable' as judged by everyone that doesn't care about comedy or it's various stylings.
 

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This_ends_now said:
This isn't cool. Some parts are just mean for people of certain colors. I'll be honest, I damn near had a heart attack when there was a rumor floating around that there was gonna be a black spider-man a while ago. I'm still kind of upset about nick Fury and the Kingpin, but got over it because they aren't nearly as iconic. You can't just suddenly change people's skin color by playing the race card. Such trivial b.s. really demeans the value of it.
Nor can you change the color of a character's skin as described in a book by playing the race card, either. If a Harfoot's brown-skinned as described by Tolkien, then no amount of race-based casting for a film based on Tolkien's work is going to change the fact that Tolkien described a Harfoot as brown-skinned. No matter how much it may bother us -- for whatever strange reasons -- to see a brown-skinned Harfoot in that film.
 

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Frankly, all the hobbits are described as being caucasian, that's the way the stories were, staying true to the source material is racist? I think not, frankly it seems to me that she went in there to the casting call specifically with the intention to cause waves and start a contraversy, the casting call said exactally what they were looking for and she went there anyway. I didn't see anyone complaining that the Easterlings (That being the men mounting the great stonking big elephants) are all of middle eastern apperance? No, because that was, in fact, in the books, though i doubt anyone would take the time to check before creating a racial powder keg.

Seriously people, can't we live in an age where we don't have to put disclaimers on everything that is made with other races in it to state that "We're a multicultural team and as a multicultural team we hope that you understand that we're a multicultural team and we get our multiculturalism from our multicultural team and can you tell how much multiculturalism is in this multicultural production but how many multicultural times we use the word multicultural as a multicultural flame shield so your multicultural asses can't complain that we're killing multiculturally so that you can't accuse us of not being multicultural because we are so are multicultural!"

C'mon, though i did laugh to myself about the disclaimer at the start of Assassins Creed 1&2. Seriously, i was pissed that they weren't going to have someone of middle eastern apperance playing the Prince of Persia, partly because i can't stand Jake whats-his-name but mostly because it wasn't true to the original text. I was equally upset when i heard that the had an all caucasian line up for Avatar: The Last Air Bender. (Creatively called 'The Last Air Bender' because i assume they wanted to distance themselves from that other Avatar that did well but was highly uninspired, overrated and just a little plagiarised) And i had decided to myself that i wans't going to see it because i knew i'd keep dispising the actors for not being as the Source material said, sure, i could forgive them being taller or shorter or speaking differently than the Anime, but changing race? Nah, no way. Luckily they came to their senses and fixed that storm before it hit shore.

So i propose, in all fairness, isn't it about the story and it's context rather than what we deem 'insensitive' Look at Shindlers List, if it had just been turned down because everyone in it was unpolitically non-ethnic, it would have been a blow to movie culture as a whole, it's the story that matters, staying true to the original may not be highly reguarded, but hell, i like to think that 'I Am Legened' would have rocked my fuzzy soxs off if it had stayed true to the book, the ending being deamed 'too confronting' for public viewing, Seriously, if you've seen the movie and not read the book, i encourage you to go do so, it's a very short book and i can promise that after you read it you won't be able to say that the movie was a good adaptation.

I just want to live in a word where anyone can make a joke about anyone else and everyone laughs, but that's just me, i don't think humour should be limited by what's 'acceptable' as judged by everyone that doesn't care about comedy or it's various stylings.
Frankly, all the hobbits are not described as being Caucasian. The Harfoots are described by Tolkien in his book as being "browner of skin" than the other Hobbit races. Therefore, casting someone with something less than brown skin in the role of a Harfoot is actually not staying true to the source materials.
 

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JDKJ said:
Frankly, all the hobbits are not described as being Caucasian. The Harfoots are described by Tolkien in his book as being "browner of skin" than the other Hobbit races. Therefore, casting someone with something less than brown skin in the role of a Harfoot is actually not staying true to the source materials.
Yes, as i've seen you saying multiples of times and complaining that no one is listening to you. However did you stop to consider that perhaps the Harfoots aren't in the movie, or at the very least, the first half of it (being that the Hibbit is being filmed in two halves) and that they're casting as such?

Either way, i don't intend to argue and bicker over this, i'm just happy the movie is finally being made after so many delays.
 
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But isn't The Shire supposed to be similar to the Medieval South of England in flavour just more jolly? I'm pretty sure there were no coloured people.
 

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My god some people are so fucking retarded.
And I'm talking about those who cried "racism".
 

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viper3 said:
JDKJ said:
Frankly, all the hobbits are not described as being Caucasian. The Harfoots are described by Tolkien in his book as being "browner of skin" than the other Hobbit races. Therefore, casting someone with something less than brown skin in the role of a Harfoot is actually not staying true to the source materials.
Yes, as i've seen you saying multiples of times and complaining that no one is listening to you. However did you stop to consider that perhaps the Harfoots aren't in the movie, or at the very least, the first half of it (being that the Hibbit is being filmed in two halves) and that they're casting as such?

Either way, i don't intend to argue and bicker over this, i'm just happy the movie is finally being made after so many delays.
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viper3 said:
JDKJ said:
Frankly, all the hobbits are not described as being Caucasian. The Harfoots are described by Tolkien in his book as being "browner of skin" than the other Hobbit races. Therefore, casting someone with something less than brown skin in the role of a Harfoot is actually not staying true to the source materials.
Yes, as i've seen you saying multiples of times and complaining that no one is listening to you. However did you stop to consider that perhaps the Harfoots aren't in the movie, or at the very least, the first half of it (being that the Hibbit is being filmed in two halves) and that they're casting as such?

Either way, i don't intend to argue and bicker over this, i'm just happy the movie is finally being made after so many delays.
I did consider the possibility that the Harfoots wouldn't be included in the film's script. But then, when it was pointed out that most of the inhabitants of the Shire are of the Harfoot race, I concluded that any cinematographic depiction of the Shire (and it's hard for me to envision a film based on "The Hobbit" without depicting the Shire, a place that figures prominently in Tolkien's tale-telling) should probably include some hairy-footed Harfoots running around the Shire. Cast them now or cast them later but, I imagine, sooner or later, cast them they must -- if they're keeping it real.

And, just outta curiousity, if you were fully aware from the posts of myself and numerous others that it is damn nigh a ridiculous statement to say that all the Hobbits are described as being Caucasian when they aren't all described as being Caucasian, why'd you feel the need to insistently still make that damn nigh ridiculous statement?
 

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So, basically, the casting agent was fired for doing a proper job? Yes, I know that in lot of aspects modern society is completely ridiculous, but now I think that Peter Jackson is a moron. He should've settled for explaining to the Pakistani woman what exactly is a "hobbit" and move on.
 

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Didn't bother read beyond the 1st page, so excuse me.

Eh it's maybe a little racist. Theres nothing saying their can't be hobbits of all colors, I don't believe. Then again the story doesn't even take place on our earth, so the race of the characters is rather irrelevant (I use this same argument for The Last Airbender and to a lesser extent, mudflap and skip of the transformers.)

That all being said, homeboy deserved to lose his job. If he was really going to go down this route, he shouldn't of put it in writing, let them get their audition and then simply not choose them. Also this is the movie business, i'm sorry but appearance does manner. They wouldn't hirer a white guy to play Martin Luther King, they wouldn't hirer a short guy to be Andre The Giant. If you'd want to make it not racist for everyone to have a fair shot, then our movies may as well just go all CGI. With CGI even The Rock can play a white guy.
 

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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, Tolkien never did allude to his characters being other than whitey-white, right? What is more, the more exotic loking people were the bad guys as the alligned with Sauron adn shit.
 

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well...there werent any black people in the original...were there? I mean....idk really i cant imagine dark skinned hobbits.
 

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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, Tolkien never did allude to his characters being other than whitey-white, right? What is more, the more exotic loking people were the bad guys as the alligned with Sauron adn shit.
I'll correct you. Why not? I've been doing it for everyone else. Tolkien did allude to his characters being other than whitey-white. He describes the Harfoot Hobbits as being "browner of skin" than the other Hobbit races.
 

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I probably won't watch the movie if it turns out there are other races in it. It's an ancient European fantasy, mythology, with historical myth of the Celts and Scandinavian...it would not make sense to have hobbits of other ethnicities in there.

As a matter of fact, it's downright insulting. More political correctness at work here folks.
 

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Arsen said:
I probably won't watch the movie if it turns out there are other races in it. It's an ancient European fantasy, mythology, with historical myth of the Celts and Scandinavian...it would not make sense to have hobbits of other ethnicities in there.

As a matter of fact, it's downright insulting. More political correctness at work here folks.
Even though Tolkien describes the Hobbits as being of three different races, one of "browner skin" than the others?
 

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JDKJ said:
So, what? Does this mean that in the interest of equal opportunity employment they aren't gonna cast some Jewish guy as Gollum? That's ridiculous! Everyone knows that Gollum's Jewish.
Ahem, that's Golem you're thinking of. Golem is Jewish, Gollum is named after his own vocal sounds.
This made me laugh hard.
 

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Anyone who would suggest that racism isn't born of ignorance and a willingness to blind one's self to obvious facts, needs only read this thread to find clear proof that racism is born of ignorance and willful blindness.
 

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I don't know. Maybe I'm just secretly racist but I can't imagine a pakistani hobbit or a black hobbit. I just picture them as white in my head. I don't know, do any black or non-white escapists think of hobbits as being of a certain ethnicity.

I mean, not the same thing really but nobody is cross-gender auditioning are they and that's not sexist.