Homophobisms

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The Diabolical Biz said:
A really good friend of mine is bi, and he often jokes that he 'would'.

I can't tell if he's joking, so it's kinda awkward.
If you said that to a girl, would you be joking?

There's your answer.
 

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darron13 said:
Homophobia in straight males: The fear that a gay man will treat them the way they treat women.
Very well put Darron, especially seeing as most of the guys who would would say "homophobisms" would likely treat women like garbage.

In defense of the straight male, I will say that most many at least some of my straight male friends wouldn't ever treat a girl like that.

Palademon said:
The only gay guy I know did quite frequently try to grab my junk and asked mutual friends about whether or not I'd be good at sex.

I was ok with it.
Impressive.
 

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Zen Toombs said:
darron13 said:
Homophobia in straight males: The fear that a gay man will treat them the way they treat women.
Very well put Darron, especially seeing as most of the guys who would would say "homophobisms" would likely treat women like garbage.

In defense of the straight male, I will say that most many at least some of my straight male friends wouldn't ever treat a girl like that.

Palademon said:
The only gay guy I know did quite frequently try to grab my junk and asked mutual friends about whether or not I'd be good at sex.

I was ok with it.
Impressive.
Indeed, obviously not *all* straight men are like that, I did not mean to imply it. But from my experience most homophobes tend to treat women like crap, I don't know how widespread that is, but it's a trend I notice.

This is why I consider someone's reaction to gay people important before considering becoming friends with them. A person's outlook on the topic can say alot about their personality...
 

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I've been hit on by gay guys. It's not a big deal to me. I let them know that I'm straight, and usually wind up having pretty good conversations with them.

A guy getting violent because another man hits on him needs to re-evaluate his security in his sexuality.
 

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I am gay. However the only time I've actually hit on someone I knew was straight was before I realised that (or even felt attracted to anyone, I was a late bloomer in that sense). I did it with the distinct intention of freaking someone out because they were a massive homophobe. Anybody who could seriously say that they think all gays should be killed because they are are frightened, and i quote, of being 'raped by a 6ft bisexual black man in a dress" deserves everything they get.

As for getting hit on by ... anyone. It has happened, I've been told it's happened, I'm just too socially awkward to tell. */le shrug*
 

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In my late twenties I was hit on quite frequently by gay men at my local pub. Fair dues though my local pub was a gay bar the odds were good that it would happen. Recently I was hit on by a guy when I was at a bar catching up with friends, it was a bit of an ego boost. I was a little disappointed when I found out he had also hit on the two friends I was catching up with...
 

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darron13 said:
Homophobia in straight males: The fear that a gay man will treat them the way they treat women.

I'm gay and it's stupid. I've encountered it, and I did indeed enjoy telling him not to flatter himself.
It's depressing, really...
This is the best statement about this. It's all ignorance and stupidity; the idea that all men are all horny, all the time, and will latch onto anything remotely attractive.
 

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I'm lesbian, and I've encountered kinda the opposite of that.

"You're lesbian? So THAT'S why you aren't hopelessly infatuated with me!"

Yeah, that's very likely the ONLY reason.
 

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Freezy_Breezy said:
Ando85 said:
In fact I've never seen a gay guy hit on a straight guy period. Why would they? Have you ever encountered someone like this?
For the same reason straight guys hit on lesbians?

Also yes, yes I have.
Some hetero guys seem to think that gay women really are missing a hefty dose of man-meat, and that all they need to do is shag the gay girl without mercy and she'll suddenly be hetero (or at least bi. The guy wants to watch the girl on girl action, and then nail both of them). Why else do you think it's such a popular trope in porno flicks?
 

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LadyRhian said:
Freezy_Breezy said:
Ando85 said:
In fact I've never seen a gay guy hit on a straight guy period. Why would they? Have you ever encountered someone like this?
For the same reason straight guys hit on lesbians?

Also yes, yes I have.
Some hetero guys seem to think that gay women really are missing a hefty dose of man-meat, and that all they need to do is shag the gay girl without mercy and she'll suddenly be hetero (or at least bi. The guy wants to watch the girl on girl action, and then nail both of them). Why else do you think it's such a popular trope in porno flicks?
Actually I believe he was referencing something more along the lines of not knowing whether the person they hit on might be gay or not.
 

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tobi the good boy said:
LadyRhian said:
Freezy_Breezy said:
Ando85 said:
In fact I've never seen a gay guy hit on a straight guy period. Why would they? Have you ever encountered someone like this?
For the same reason straight guys hit on lesbians?

Also yes, yes I have.
Some hetero guys seem to think that gay women really are missing a hefty dose of man-meat, and that all they need to do is shag the gay girl without mercy and she'll suddenly be hetero (or at least bi. The guy wants to watch the girl on girl action, and then nail both of them). Why else do you think it's such a popular trope in porno flicks?
Actually I believe he was referencing something more along the lines of not knowing whether the person they hit on might be gay or not.
True. But those guys who feel that way would only feel it was a bonus if the girl they were hitting on turned out to be gay, because of the above. Though it's not like people come with a sexual orientation tattooed on their forehead. You can't always tell.
 

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Zen Toombs said:
The Diabolical Biz said:
A really good friend of mine is bi, and he often jokes that he 'would'.

I can't tell if he's joking, so it's kinda awkward.
If you said that to a girl, would you be joking?

There's your answer.
Ah, now, this is what I would think under normal circumstances, but you really have to know him to understand.

He's usually quite blunt about this kind of thing, yet he often has the same manner when deadly serious as when taking the royal piss.

Makes it hard to tell.

EDIT: It's not really like I give a crap anyway, he's a great pal.
 

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rhizhim said:
been hit on. didnt give a fuck. he understood and left me alone.
maybe we should talk about how insane it is to be able to do the Gay panic defense.

The gay panic defense[1] is a legal defense against charges of assault or murder. A defendant using the gay panic defense claims that he or she acted in a state of violent temporary insanity because of a little-known psychiatric condition called homosexual panic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

i totally killed that cat because....uhm.... cat panic defense mechanism.
I have multiple gay friends, none of them have ever hit on me (of course one is a lesbian, so it'd be kinda odd if she was to hit on me :p) Never been hit on. I don't doubt that it happens, I mean not everyone has a prefect gaydar.

but as far as that gay panic defense thing goes, it's bullshit.... That makes as much sense as someone saying "I have gingerphobia and a readhead hit on me, now they are dead, but it isn't my fault they made me crazy."
 

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TheVioletBandit said:
You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?


homophobia

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[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia
 

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I have never been hit on by anyone. I consider that a good thing because I absolutely hate the idea of anyone hitting on me. That means I have to tell them no and that takes a lot of work.
 

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Woodsey said:
TheVioletBandit said:
You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?


homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia
Thanks for the definition Woodsey, but as illogical as it may seem , when I see the suffix "phobia" attached to the morpheme homo I think:

ho·mo
   [hoh-moh] Show IPA
noun, plural ho·mos. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a homosexual.

and

pho·bi·a
   [foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun, suffix
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Because of this, I conclude that the words means "a fear of homosexuals". Of course your oxford dictionary definition doesn't necessarily contest my conclusion. It states that homophobia is, "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuals", and we can see in our definition of "phobia" that fear would cause an "aversion" or "compelling desire to avoid thing/person/situation/place."

We can even look at the etymology of the word which is:

Coined by George Weinberg in the 1960s,[9] the term homophobia is a blend of the word homosexual, itself a mix of neo-classical morphemes, and (2) phobia from the Greek φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear".

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.
 

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TheVioletBandit said:
Woodsey said:
TheVioletBandit said:
You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?


homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia
Thanks for the definition Woodsey, but as illogical as it may seem , when I see the suffix "phobia" attached to the morpheme homo I think:

ho·mo
   [hoh-moh] Show IPA
noun, plural ho·mos. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a homosexual.

and

pho·bi·a
   [foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun, suffix
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Because of this, I conclude that the words means "a fear of homosexuals". Of course your oxford dictionary definition doesn't necessarily contest my conclusion. It states that homophobia is, "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuals", and we can see in our definition of "phobia" that fear would cause an "aversion" or "compelling desire to avoid thing/person/situation/place."

We can even look at the etymology of the word which is:

Coined by George Weinberg in the 1960s,[9] the term homophobia is a blend of the word homosexual, itself a mix of neo-classical morphemes, and (2) phobia from the Greek φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear".

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.
You are splitting hairs. Whether or not the term is technically correct, you damn sure know what someone means when they use it.
 

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I dunno how many gay people I hang around, but I wish they did hit on me. That'd be a self-esteem bonus, attractive to both sexes, Achievement unlocked.