Homosexuality in ME3
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Huh, I never saw that scene, though I did know that the remnants of homosexual romance options were still in the coding of the game. I just thought they were limited to the sex scene (where Male shep gets the fastest gender reassignment surgery ever).Zhukov said:
And yeah, I agree with the OP. It's not a big deal, especially because they were supposed to be in the first game and some of the conversations you can have with Ash and Kaiden as a Shepard of their same sex still seems very ho-yay filled. Not to mention on Horizon in the sequel, they seem to act like jilted lovers regardless of whether you romanced them or not.
So, yeah I don't think Shepard being homosexual is that big of an issue, and it wouldn't surprise me if Ash/Kaiden were homosexual romances in the third game, for the reason I listed above.
I don't see what the big deal is. I mean it's not like Bioware will force you to leave Liara for
James Vega for example. But i guess that some people still can't handle TEH GAYS.
James Vega for example. But i guess that some people still can't handle TEH GAYS.
I played in Mass Effect 2 as a female Shepard and for the whole play I was obssessed with Miranda, but nothing happened between the two of us. 
In general I believe that the freedom to have gay-lesbian relations in games like The Sims, or Fable, or lately in Mass Effect and Dragon Origins serves mostly one purpose: to give to male gamers the satisfaction of creating "lesbian shows" into their play and be aroused by that. Of course this freedom gives the opportunity to real gay- lesbian players to express themselves, but basically this feature is made for the first category. Kill two birds with one stone. EA is not any amateurs in this business...
In general I believe that the freedom to have gay-lesbian relations in games like The Sims, or Fable, or lately in Mass Effect and Dragon Origins serves mostly one purpose: to give to male gamers the satisfaction of creating "lesbian shows" into their play and be aroused by that. Of course this freedom gives the opportunity to real gay- lesbian players to express themselves, but basically this feature is made for the first category. Kill two birds with one stone. EA is not any amateurs in this business...
I agree with OP.
RPG's are ROLEPLAYING games, which means you can roleplay whatever you want, as such the developer is SUPPOSED to offer options. Those that feel insulted about Bioware offering homosexuality are probably the same (or at least the same type of people) who feel insulted about the game offering action or plot-focused gameplay, styles/options they won't actually pick, and as such won't affect them.
RPG's are ROLEPLAYING games, which means you can roleplay whatever you want, as such the developer is SUPPOSED to offer options. Those that feel insulted about Bioware offering homosexuality are probably the same (or at least the same type of people) who feel insulted about the game offering action or plot-focused gameplay, styles/options they won't actually pick, and as such won't affect them.
It's not like you can have sex on accident.Cheery Lunatic said:
OT: I don't mind it, and in fact fully embrace the homosexuality/bisexuality made available in Mass Effect 3. I see no reason that sexuality should be excluded from the EVERYTHING ELSE you can change about Shepard.D. Perry Cox said:
However, I don't want it shoved down anyone's throat - I didn't like how in Mass Effect 2 you just stumbled into relationships (although with Jack it kindof made sense, and reminded me of an ex of mine), or in Mass Effect 1 where if you started down the path of romance with someone and then never spoke to them again, the game assumed you were having a secret tryst. [small]that was annoying....[/small]
It doesn't bother me not only because there's nothing wrong with being gay but also that I see my Shepard as my own character and some other persons Shepard as completely separate. I think the people complaining are under the illusion that their Shepard is 'canon' or something.
Really? Quote from Mass Effect wiki:Volf99 said:
One person here already linked this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3HaIk0lnQE] video, too.
Thing is, there is no canon Shepard. Originally, he/she could be heterosexual or homosexual, but I believe they removed the homosexual option to avoid controversy and attacks (they were attacked by Fox News anyway, for putting in naked pixel people; imagine what would have happened if there were two naked pixel men). As witnessed by the dialogue that remained in the game even after they cut it out, Shepard was supposed to be either straight or gay, depending on how you want to play him/her. It was not removed because they wanted to conclude that he/she is not gay, but because our society still has issues with seeing two men together.
Your Shepard can be whatever you want him/her to be (see? There's no even canon gender). I have three different Shepards for now, maybe I'll make more of them, and although I'm not gay, I don't think that putting the gay option is pandering. In a game that lets you choose almost everything about the character, it's a bit retarded that it doesn't let you choose whether you'll be straight or gay. And they fixed that and I'm glad they did.
Nice generalizing you got there.Anthraxus said:
It doesn't matter that much to me.
As long as the game isn't trying to make my Shepard gay, then I don't have any problems.
I hate my brain sometimes.
As long as the game isn't trying to make my Shepard gay, then I don't have any problems.
I read that in an entirely different way.Tanner The Monotone said:
I hate my brain sometimes.
I think it's great that they're including the option, even if I don't intend to take it. My Shepard already has her lizard-man, and that's the way it's going to be right until the bitter end.
Although, I would have loved a romantic option with Jack...that would have been interesting. Honestly the only reason I'd play through as Man-Shep would be to see how that works out.
But whatever, that's not going to happen. As is, I'm glad it exists, I think it's a healthy progression to implement, but it won't affect me.
Although, I would have loved a romantic option with Jack...that would have been interesting. Honestly the only reason I'd play through as Man-Shep would be to see how that works out.
But whatever, that's not going to happen. As is, I'm glad it exists, I think it's a healthy progression to implement, but it won't affect me.
Erm you mean like in Baldur's Gate 2 where there are numerous romances for the male player and females...get...Anomen... *shudder*Anthraxus said:
Something tells me you are mistaken.
Zhukov said:
Yelling bird, is there a moment you cannot sully? Wrex and Shepard were having a moment.
BanZeus said:But dude, bro, bra, broski, braski... that would be gay. But it's totally straight if a man wants to get freaky with theTanner The Monotone said:
I think Bioware's handling it fine. But I'm sure there's at least one fan going out there as femshep for the sexy Tali XXX Shepherd option. I almost think thats why its there in the first place, but there I go being a slight dick.
I don't feel like its an actual option, just the whole romance mechanic in general. Be a perfect man / woman pushover and you'll get sexy times, which isn't really believable.
I don't feel like its an actual option, just the whole romance mechanic in general. Be a perfect man / woman pushover and you'll get sexy times, which isn't really believable.
My Shepard will definatly come out in ME3. I mean, the only crew-member I can see having a problem with it (That human-supremist terrorist ***** whose name we do not mention) is dead. And if she does an Anders on me, I swear I will punch a goldfish in the face.
EDIT: Oh, and I imagine Liara might be pissed about being my beard, but I don't imagine it'll last very long.
EDIT: Oh, and I imagine Liara might be pissed about being my beard, but I don't imagine it'll last very long.
Players should be able to choose the sexuality of their characters at character creation. Heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or even asexual for people who just want to switch the dating simulator off. I see absolutely nothing wrong with allowing people to play the game and be nice to NPCs with a non-compatible sexuality without the dialogue tree suggesting that you've been trying to knock boots with that character.
It would also allow for the opportunity to write in sexually aggressive advances or even perhaps an unrequited love. These sorts of situations really cannot be authentically realized without the game first knowing the sexuality that the player desires their character to have.
Or Bioware could just do it in order to more effectively pander the living shit out of its fanbase.
It would also allow for the opportunity to write in sexually aggressive advances or even perhaps an unrequited love. These sorts of situations really cannot be authentically realized without the game first knowing the sexuality that the player desires their character to have.
Or Bioware could just do it in order to more effectively pander the living shit out of its fanbase.
In that case Volf99's comment was actually correct. It just happens that Shepard hasn't been gay to pander to homophobes. Although the key part of that is "hasn't been". Makes the whole thing kind of ironic really, because they don't know how often media changes things to fit what homophobes want.Beliyal said:
As long as they don't make it totally unnatural and out of left field, I couldn't care either way. Lesbian romance with Jack? Sure. There's evidence to support that. Lesbian romance with Tali? A bit more tenuous, but I can see some hinting. Gay romance with Kaidan? Well he has cut dialogue for that, so I don't care. Gay romance with Jacob? ...Does he have cut dialogue too? Because in all honesty, I just can't see it. Gay romance with Garrus? Too out of left field for me.
I'm all down for folks being able to get their gay on, but what I'm worried about is what characters are going to be offered as gay. For instance, if Garrus suddenly starts playing for the other team I will not be happy. He's clearly not gay, but did that ever stop BioWare? For instance, in Dragon Age 2 Anders was suddenly revealed to like a bit of guy love when he was literally repulsed by the idea of it in Dragon Age: Awakenings.